PERRYBLOG: God bless pious Indiana businesses and let them testify their bigotry for all to see

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Now this is enough to make your Bull-Crap-O-Meter hit the red-line.

In an effort to keep the entire world from black-listing all of Indiana for obtusely enacting a new gay-hate law “allowing” those so religiously inclined to discriminate against homosexuals if their Good Book tells them so, this dizzying spin has spun out of the religious right across the country: It’s not about discrimination, it’s about protecting the free speech and reverent rights of business owners.

If you can’t tell the right from the left here, just try this. Here’s the right’s explanation of how innocent this whole thing is as written by Tobin Grant at the Washington Post today:

“(The Religious Freedom Restoration Act) was a way for the Indiana legislature to do something in response to the same-sex marriage ruling. RFRA was seen as a way to give residents and businesses that objected to same-sex marriage a way around having to cater to same-sex couples”

Now just replace “same-sex” with “interracial.”

“(The Religious Freedom Restoration Act) was a way for the Indiana legislature to do something in response to the interracial marriage ruling. RFRA was seen as a way to give residents and businesses that objected to interracial marriage a way around having to cater to interracial couples”

How about this:

“(The Religious Freedom Restoration Act) was a way for the Indiana legislature to do something in response to the Jewish marriage ruling. RFRA was seen as a way to give residents and businesses that objected to Jewish marriage a way around having to cater to Jewish couples”

Here’s the deal. Gay couples are like anyone else, they don’t want to give their money to people who hate them or make fun of them or just think God will smite them. Given a choice, we all will give our money to businesses that treat us well instead of treat us poorly.

A workable solution here would be to allow any business to discriminate against anyone on a religious basis. All they would have to do to get the “permit for discrimination” is to post it prominently on every door of their establishment, on order forms and menus, and on websites and print advertisements. Given their fervent pious convictions, there’s no doubt they’ll be proud to share them with the entire world. It would be sacrilegious and hypocritical to be a faithful bigot and hide that from people who don’t share your fervor, just for the sake of making a buck. I have it from good sources that all the holy ones frown on such things. So then let the public decide, too, who their religious and ethical convictions should shell out cash to. I know I would use something like this as a daily touchstone. No service to gays, blacks, immigrants or Muslims? See ya.

Colorado lawmakers saw the folly of this nonsense and nipped it in the budding bigotry a few weeks ago. They don’t learn so quickly in the Midwest.

Now, it would be hugely rewarding to walk inside a bakery and ask about a wedding cake for 500 and then say, “Oh, you discriminate against gays? Never mind.” But if it’s the only game in town, that’s another story. If it’s the only hotel on the road turning away blacks or lesbians because Jesus told them to do it, that becomes a real problem. Can you imagine what Indiana Gov. Mike Pence would do if the last gas station for the next 100 miles said over the loud speaker at pump no. 5, “I’m sorry, sir, but God won’t let me serve your kind” because my religion is offended by White Anglo Saxon Protestants. And may someone else’s God bless you.

No. Probably best go with the idea that if you serve the public, you have to treat all of the public the same: blacks, whites, Canadians, gays, teachers and even Republican governors and state lawmakers that still have some growing up to do. Well, maybe not Canadians. We’ll see.

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fturla
fturla
6 years ago

Great article. But of course this may sound strange but this rational reasoning makes me dislike non-mathematicians. I do not mean those individuals that studied math but did not decide to excel in it, I mean I begin to realize the folly of groups of people that rely on ideas that are not thought through.

davebarnes
davebarnes
6 years ago

Glad to see the Canuck carve out. We can’t be too careful. Eh?

Aldo Elmnight
Aldo Elmnight
6 years ago

“Given a choice, we all will give our money to businesses that treat us well instead of treat us poorly.”
LOL! or sue them out of business.

Aldo Elmnight
Aldo Elmnight
6 years ago

““I’m sorry, sir, but God won’t let me serve your kind””

When has this occurred in the recent cases? Masterpiece Cakes offered to make the gay men some item other than a wedding cake (e.g. cupcakes). The gay men declined and then attempted to destroy a family business. In the case of the florist she had served gays for years. It being forced to cotribute to a gay “marriage” is what she objected to . In the recent cases gays were not denied service. The owners did not want to be forced to support an immoral lifestyle. Your racial analogy is false and weak. No amount of fascism will make your lifestyle choice moral..

Fartrell Cluggins
Fartrell Cluggins
6 years ago
Reply to  Aldo Elmnight

And, here’s our first hypothetical business owner who would proudly hang your imaginary signs.

Also, his racial analogy is spot on. They used to think (and many still do) that other, non-white races are immoral and wrong.

ezaspie
ezaspie
6 years ago

Actually there is already a first. Small town pizza shop, look up Memories Pizza the yelp reviews are hilarious and awesome. Maybe this is a much more efficient way to shut down bigots than suing them out of existence one at a time. Let the free market speak, Indiana has lost double digit millions on this law already. Tourism is a large part of their economy, I wonder how this will affect them. Aldo you better buy your tickets now support what you believe in, though you seem like a couch activist more than anything.

Snippet from a yelp review:
“I ordered a nice hot and steamy not gay and extra mozzarella cause I only consume white cheese because it is the superior cheese.”

Fartrell Cluggins
Fartrell Cluggins
6 years ago
Reply to  ezaspie

Hilarious!

Red Rocks Rockin
Red Rocks Rockin
6 years ago
Reply to  ezaspie

“Small town pizza shop, look up Memories Pizza the yelp reviews are hilarious and awesome.” — And after your fellow Jacobins started sending death threats and asked for help to burn the place to the ground, the same pizza place is now going to end up with over $500K from a gofundme account. Which is probably more than they’d see in ten years, if a bunch of borderline personality cases and social signalers hadn’t decided that a small pizza shop in Nowheresville, Indiana would be the ideal target for Two Minutes Hate.

ezaspie
ezaspie
6 years ago

Still hilarious, still awesome. I think we should all take advantage of bigots why should we let gop fundraisers have all the fun.

Red Rocks Rockin
Red Rocks Rockin
6 years ago
Reply to  ezaspie

Yes, death threats are always a barrel of laughs.

ezaspie
ezaspie
6 years ago

There are always crazies. Unfortunately that is just the way the world works. Sometimes we have to deal with in our society. It happens from all sides and walks of life. Christians have threatened and killed for things they feel passionately about also. However we shouldn’t allow that behavior and I hope those folks are prosecuted. The funny ones are still funny.

Red Rocks Rockin
Red Rocks Rockin
6 years ago
Reply to  ezaspie

Nice moral equivalency. Not really surprising that you’re pulling out the tu quoque arguments at this point, given how bad it makes your side look. “WELP IT’S GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY WHAT ARE YA GONNA DO?”

Of course, if there’s one saving grace, historically speaking these mob tactics tend to not turn out very well in the end for the people who foment and encourage them.

ezaspie
ezaspie
6 years ago

Not my argument at all. I know what you are going to do, nothing and feel righteous on your couch, because you ‘showed’ some person on the internet. You expect me to feel sorry for some bigot that got a few death threats and $500,000. Give me a break. You don’t feel sorry for the bigots like you, whom I refuse to call christians, killed Matthew Shepard, bombed abortion clinics, killed abortion doctors and murdered muslims all in the name of the bible.

You are right on one point. All this hatred and bigotry that people like you have stirred up will not turn out very well.

Red Rocks Rockin
Red Rocks Rockin
6 years ago
Reply to  ezaspie

“I know what you are going to do, nothing and feel righteous on your couch, because you ‘showed’ some person on the internet.”– Why would I feel righteous about it? It’s not like you present a particular intellectual challenge, given your vast and numerous appeals to emotion and other fallacious stances.

“You expect me to feel sorry for some bigot that got a few death threats and $500,000. Give me a break.”–I don’t expect anything of the kind, because that would involve a presumption that you would put principles over principals. However, I suspect you’d be far more likely to be upset about it if it was someone who belonged to a group you supported. Such is the way of special pleaders.

” You don’t feel sorry for the bigots like you, whom I refuse to call
christians, killed Matthew Shepard, bombed abortion clinics, killed
abortion doctors and murdered muslims all in the name of the bible.”– Your skills at psychoanalysis are as poor as your skills at reasoned debate. I’m agnostic, support gay marriage, and believe the stance that the restaurant owners have is mistaken. The difference is that I don’t believe that The State should compel them to provide a service for something that violates their conscience, any more than I believe a gay baker should provide a cake for the Westboro Baptists, nor believe that either party should be hounded into ruin because a bunch of activist-come-latelys want something to preen about to their emotionally stunted friends and fellow travelers. And given that government entities have slaughtered far more people than any abortion clinic bomber could ever hope to accomplish, your false equivalency rings about as hollow as your self-regard.

“All this hatred and bigotry that people like you have stirred up will
not turn out very well.”– Your lack of self-reflection is certainly stunning at times. It’s not SOCONNNZZ!! that are employing mob tactics and a sympathetic media to compel gay bakers via the power of the State to bake them “Gay Marriage is Wrong” cakes. But I wouldn’t expect you to process the idea that being in a free society means having to live alongside people who might not share your ideology. Such is the way of those who think mob tactics are awesome when they target people they don’t like, but squeal like pigs when the same is directed against them in even the most mild manner.

ezaspie
ezaspie
6 years ago

Wow you really are full of yourself. It’s funny to see someone try so hard to try and sound smart. It’s also funny to see someone try and maintain their pompous self righteous behavior well resorting to personal attacks. You can hate all you want it doesn’t make you better than anyone else. The fact of the matter is your rant is purely based on hate and no matter how pompous you act, you are STILL WRONG. The sad part if the whole situation is homophobes like you are so very often closet homosexuals themselves.

Here is yet another example of how silly your bigot, folks much like yourself are. Here is a bigot suing a christian woman’s bakery, because she refuses to put hate speech on a cake.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/denvers-azucar-bakery-wins-right-to-refuse-to-make-anti-gay-cake?google_editors_picks=true

Good luck with the homophobia, I hope you have the courage to come out of the closet.

Red Rocks Rockin
Red Rocks Rockin
6 years ago
Reply to  ezaspie

“Wow you really are full of yourself. It’s funny to see someone try so
hard to try and sound smart. It’s also funny to see someone try and
maintain their pompous self righteous behavior well resorting to
personal attacks.”– Again with the lack of self-awareness. You should really work on that.

The rest of your post is the intellectual equivalent of “YOU’RE A BIG POOPYPANTS A BLOO BLOO BLOO!” mewling. You can’t handle the fact that someone called you on your special pleading nor argue your position from one of principle. So you resort to standard proglodyte insults and armchair psychoanalysis, delivered with all the intellectual heft of a kindergartner on a playground.

To be quite frank, anyone debating you couldn’t help but feel full of themselves. Watching a grown adult argue like a child the way you do is the biggest boost to one’s own self-worth that could possibly be provided.

ezaspie
ezaspie
6 years ago

Oh my god your right, I have never seen someone with the smarts like you have. It’s scary, you are like one of those bonafide genius. I’m surprised the government lets you free on the streets. I am sure an IQ the size of your head must be dangerous.

Well have fun using all them smarts to keep spreading the message of hate. I think you missed my point though, it’s not that what you believe in is wrong. It’s just the Christian bible never taught the works of hate you supported so much. No insults also, just most people know when you have to resort to two dollar words. It’s generally forced. I know in your case you went to the most prestigious campus in the trailer park and graduated with honors. Most people with a real education just don’t have to try so hard.

Red Rocks Rockin
Red Rocks Rockin
6 years ago
Reply to  ezaspie

“Oh my god your right, I have never seen someone with the smarts like you have.”– Considering the rigidness of your “personal is political” ideology, that’s hardly a surprise.

“Well have fun using all them smarts to keep spreading the message of hate.”–You’re right, I would absolutely hate to see a gay baker be forced by the government to serve someone whose personal or religious positions they find morally objectionable.

” I think you missed my point though, it’s not that what you believe in is wrong. It’s just the Christian bible never taught the works of hate you supported so much.”– It’s amusing that you keep trying to throw this “Christian bible” yoke around my neck when I’ve already said I’m agnostic, support gay marriage, and believe that the perspective held by these business owners is mistaken. Your rather lame efforts to mock me in your first paragraph above fall rather flat when you can’t even bother to read or understand what’s being said to you.

“No insults also, just most people know when you have to resort to two dollar words. It’s generally forced. I know in your case you went to the most prestigious campus in the trailer park and graduated with honors.” –It’s fascinating to watch so many insecurities being expressed in just a few sentences. You’re clearly not capable of engaging someone in any sort of debate without immediately pigeonholing them, because you lack the ability to argue without resorting to strawmen and caricatures. You sling “bigot” at me, as if any mature adult would ever take that seriously coming from someone who thinks calling people a closeted gay person is an insult. And of course, there’s the assumption that I lack education because I happen to use a larger vocabulary in online debates than you do, when I’d put my education up against yours any day of the week and twice on Sunday. In short, you’re a weak, rather pathetic pudding of an individual with a stultified partisan mind, and it’s really no surprise that you can’t argue with someone without your knee jerking and projecting all your insecurities on to them.

stiles119
stiles119
6 years ago
Reply to  Aldo Elmnight

i agree Aldo. this is not race this is not them saying they will turn down serving a gay person it is some one saying hey I have morals and values and I do not want to be forced into going against my morals. The intolerant left wants you to be tolerant of gays but not of Christians. A faith that has been around for a very long time. this country was founded on religious beliefs and the rights god gives people not the rights of the government.

Aldo Elmnight
Aldo Elmnight
6 years ago

“we all will give our money to businesses that treat us well ”

So you have chosen to live a homosexual lifestlye? You were meant for more than this. Begin to live a chaste life and experience true freedom.

https://couragerc.org/

https://couragerc.org/courage/

https://everlastinghills.org/

Fartrell Cluggins
Fartrell Cluggins
6 years ago
Reply to  Aldo Elmnight

Did you miss your train to Indiana or something?

ezaspie
ezaspie
6 years ago

Usually these guys are closet homosexuals. Just sayin’

indiana
indiana
6 years ago

Totally irrelevant….The story was written by Dave Perry..one of the most racist, bigoted, self-righteous holier than thou liberal blowhard in the country.

graham
graham
6 years ago
Reply to  indiana

I totally disagree Indiana – maybe you’d feel more comfortable living IN Indiana where they tried to get
away with discrimination against gays.

indiana
indiana
6 years ago
Reply to  graham

Who is they and what did they try to get away with?

indiana
indiana
6 years ago

Why don’t you write a story on that incident on a bus where 3 black teenagers attacked a white man after they asked him what he thought of the Ferguson situation? WHY? Because you are a race baiting hypocrite that’s a traitor to your own race.

stiles119
stiles119
6 years ago

https://louderwithcrowder.com/hidden-camera-gay-wedding-cake-at-muslim-bakery/

so the Muslims wont give you a wedding cake ether. sounds like lefts are targeting the Christians but not every one else. leftist thinking at its finest. was this country not founded on the system of freedom and being able to practice your religion? so people with morals and values should be targeted by people that are screaming for that same freedom to believe and do what they want?

so they should not be in business if you dont agree with the leftist. This is key to. me I hear that unless you agree with the left and the views they have you should not have a business and they should be able to make sure of that. you speak only they way we want you to speak or your not allowed to speak. Does that sound like freedom to you?
is this a dialog of hate VS love or do people really have the freedom to practice a religion in this country?

ezaspie
ezaspie
6 years ago
Reply to  stiles119

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjkNNDuAb9A

If the Muslims do it why can’t the Christians do it, waaa waa waa. We are so persecuted.

Aldo Elmnight
Aldo Elmnight
6 years ago

“I pledge allegiance to the LGBT movement, and do so solemnly swear that I will never fail to uphold my duty to always and everywhere, in public and in private, embrace and encourage, affirm and applaud all forms of homosexual activity. I hereby further pledge to confirm and to celebrate the sacred institution of same-sex marriage, and I promise to defend even unto death the inalienable right of every human person to determine the gender identity of their own choosing. So help me.”
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ezaspie
ezaspie
6 years ago
Reply to  Aldo Elmnight

It’s funny you use images of a man that probably shares common ideals with you. I imaging if Aldo was in power he would try and exterminate homosexuals just like Hitler.