If you aren’t smart enough to vaccinate your kids, allow me to stick that needle where the sun don’t shine.
What was once a quirky curiosity among some Colorado residents — who, for no good reason, became leery of childhood disease vaccinations — has now become a public health menace that seriously threatens all of us.
That much became clear last week when measles broke out big time in Disneyland. Federal disease officials have reported at least 87 cases of measles in numerous states, all traced back to Disneyland. Almost all of the cases involved kids who’ve never received the Mumps-Measles-Rubella vaccine. That amazing scientific breakthrough came close to ending those diseases forever in the United States until Americans started getting stupid about 10 years ago.
The media deserves much of the blame. A so-called study run by a so-called doctor tried to tie autism to childhood vaccinations and the U.S. media bought the hoax hook, line and sinker, helping to legitimize it. The groundless claim and fake study have since been debunked endless times for several years. There is not one reputable pediatrician, pediatric organization, hospital, clinic or researcher that does not vehemently work to debunk the autism lie, and beg parents to vaccinate their children.
And right here in Colorado, one of the most “educated” states in the union, we rank right at the bottom of vaccination rates.
It now looks that in some places, only 80 percent of kids are current on vaccinations. That means in a class of 30 kids, six have no vaccinations. In an elementary school of 600 kids, as many as 120 are potential carriers of diseases that can seriously sicken and sometimes maim or kill other kids or even themselves.
That’s right, Colorado. People can and do die of measles. The disease can be so dangerous because the chances are good that if there’s one kid in preschool, there’s a baby at home or on the way. Babies can die from measles, pertussis and rubella. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control report about three deaths for every 1,000 cases of measles. Worldwide, about 150,000 people a year, mostly children, die from measles, about 16 per hour.
Want even more bad news? Even if you’re smart and responsible about getting your children vaccinated, the chance of them still getting sick increases when fools don’t vaccinate their own kids. Vaccines are not bulletproof. Some are only about 95 percent effective. The reason they eradicate disease is because they crush the infection rate to nothing. But in a swimming pool, dance class or amusement park teeming with measles virus, up to 5 percent of vaccinated kids could get the disease and move it on.
The sorry response by Colorado state lawmakers is nothing to sneeze or cough at. Succumbing to fake science and political pressure, they let Colorado parents off the hook when it comes to vaccinating their children. Anybody can opt-out just by saying, “I don’t believe in vaccination” and checking off a box that’s easier than proving your kid did get vaccinated.
That’s incredibly stupid. We’ve been incredibly patient with this annoying foray into faux science and hand wringing. Time to get down to business.
At this point, I don’t give a crap what parents believe in: Santa Claus, hedge funds or a Sun that circles the Earth. Vaccines are safe, effective and a crucial part of living with other humans, especially lots of humans. It used to be that only “religious” exemptions were honored, which is an equally ridiculous accommodation. If your god wants your kid to get rubella and blind another child for life, you need to rethink how you’re spending your Sundays. The U.S. Constitution may guarantee your right to believe anything you want, but it doesn’t allow you to inflict your nonsense on me and other unsuspecting members of the public.
Tell your Colorado lawmaker this is how it has to be:
• End all exemptions to vaccination requirements of public schools, except for medical exceptions approved by three real doctors. No quacks. If you can’t see how important this is and how you have to play your part, keep your little viral cesspools at home.
• Allow public places to require proof of vaccination. Water World, Elitch Gardens, movie theaters, sports stadiums, rec centers, even shopping malls. Let the state create a database and apps that can prove you did your duty, or watch Netflix at home and swim in a blow-up pool in your own backyard.
• Encourage parents to prove their kid has been vaccinated before they can come to little Tyler’s birthday party.
• Pay real doctors and scientists to appear in TV commercials calling out movie stars dissing vaccinations for the lame, dangerous crackpots they are. Let me start: Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey? Dolts.
Sorry, folks, but now that a dangerous few are bringing back the dark ages of disease, running up insurance rates, making people deathly ill and in some cases dead, it’s time to fight back and fight hard. And if you think you’ve actually read something credible that says vaccines cause autism or are otherwise dangerous? Stick it.
Don’t believe me. Read here for experts you trust with your lives for every other reason:
American Academy of Pediatrics
Reach editor Dave Perry at 303-750-7555 or dperry@aurorasentinel.com
I don’t care what Dave Perry says, all he’s wooried about is pushing fear to increase vaccine sales.
Please kill yourself.
There you have, the Evil face of vaccine pushers as evidenced here, promoting maiming and killing through not only vaccination, but through suicide as well.
I”m not promoting maiming and killing. I’m simply telling YOU to off yourself before your stupidity (and the stupidity of others like you) spreads further and causes more children to die needlessly from diseases they didn’t have to get in the first place. Lets’ not even get into your absurd insinuation that Dave Perry is somehow in the pocket of vaccine manufacturers.
I would say seek help, but you are clearly well beyond that point.
Take off the tin foil and do some actual research beyond listening to the conspiracy-laden crap they sell you on NaturalNews.com. If you still come up with the same “answers”, then find a short rope and a tall ceiling because you’re not doing humanity any favors sticking around.
Evil takes many faces, one who promotes the killing of innocent people as yourself including the promoting of suicide has to be included in this category, now you specifically are pointing your finger at me, why? because I am out here trying to protect those that can’t advocate for themselves? there are more vaccine injured children, than there are measles deaths in this country, even with a failed MMr vaccine with only a 5% efficacy according to a case in court for over 5 years as of 2015. It seems to me, that vaccines should actually be made ‘safer and effective’ and for people to stop dismissing vaccine injury and pretending that it doesn’t exist would give more credibility to the vaccine program.So with this failed vaccine we have now, what is it that you want me to educate myself about, I told you what one of the faults are, it seems to me that you are misinformed, and maybe, yes, you should get some more accurate news at natural news, at least then you would actually learn something.
thanks
You’re welcome.
Loony Loon. What children are being injured, are you really talking about autism, the paid for study that was debunked?
People like you make me sick, and the problem is you are not killing yourself. You are harming others around you. Loony I am not sure where you get your information from but the efficacy of a single dose of measles-containing vaccine given at 12
or 15 months of age is estimated to be 85% to 95%. With a second dose,
efficacy in children approaches 100%. Columbia just eliminated measles from their country, but its idiots like you that have our rates skyrocketing higher than they have been in 20 years. Please leave our country and move to a place where they are too dumb to understand that vaccines save lives. I’m thinking Nigeria, Pakistan, I hope you catch polio.
The question is not how many vaccine injuries vs. measles deaths, but the rate of injuries vs. the incidence of disease in the unvaccinated population (pre-vaccine).
It seems obvious we are better off with vaccines than without.
The real facts are as follows (1): According to CDC records, there has not been a single death attributable to measles in the past ten years. However, according to records kept by the government created and funded Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), over the past ten years there have been one-hundred and eight (108) deaths related to measles vaccines. So when you hear the mantra that vaccines are safe, repeated ad nauseam by all forms of media, you are being lied to. And the proof is to be found in the government’s own records.
Who said vaccines are completely safe? They are merely so much safer than the alternative that it’s a no brainer to use them.
You dodged the question I posed. What is the rate of injury due to vaccine vs. the rate of injure in the unvaccinated population.
No deaths from measles (in the US). Thank vaccines.
Now get educated about the remainder of the world.
https://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/
Yes, it does indicate no brain to use them. Please explain how the death rate from measles went down 95% before vaccines were introduced.
https://www.dissolvingillusions.com/graphs/#14
Do you realize the the MMR vaccine sheds so the vaccinated are the source of infection? Read up about it.
You continue to recite the subset of ‘facts’ you think supports your argument. Look at all the facts.
Anyone familiar with measles knows it’s not inherently fatal and that a properly functioning health care system will reduce death rates by about (wait for it) 95%. But it still kills and when vaccinated, the death rate from exposure falls to zero (as noted above).
The recently vaccinated are contagious, but no hazard to those already immune. Vaccinations ended measles in the US. Yet we still we need to be vaccinated, because measles is not ended worldwide. See any recent news from Disney for the case in point.
You obviously did not study the graph, or else you did not comprehend it. The figures are the same for the US so, no, vaccinations did not end measles in the US.
Measles is not a “deadly” disease and is only labeled such so Pharma can sell vaccines.
You don’t know what you are talking about. Good bye
Of course, only you have the real “facts”. In fact, you didn’t comprehend what I wrote and you have a serious case of ignorance with regard to measles.
https://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S1.long
The refined strategies of the third ongoing measles-elimination effort have achieved success. Measles is no longer endemic
in the United States.
(…)
Measles is the greatest vaccine-preventable killer of children in the world today and the eighth leading cause of death among
persons of all ages worldwide. In many countries, resources are not available to treat measles cases or for adequate hospital care for patients with complications. Coupled with poor nutritional status, the lack of access to high-quality medical care leads to case fatality rates of >150 deaths/1000 cases in some populations.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/deadly
Measles is clearly a deadly disease.
Vaccines did indeed “end measles” in the US (See chart below).
What they did not do is eliminate deaths from measles when it still occurred, however. But you knew that, and are deliberately trying to confuse incidence (elimination of measles) with the mortality from measles.
Measles does not “shed” from the vaccine and act as a source of onward infection.
Even it it did, all that would happen is that others would get a free vaccine/booster, since the vaccine strain cannot cause wild-type measles.
Lost cause, Mike Stevens. seniorcraig doesn’t know the meaning of the phrase “live attenuated vaccine”, which is what the MMR II vacccine is.
Geez.. how many times are you going to try to insert this erroneous argument into your posts/comments?
Yes.. ‘read up about it’, indeed.
All’s it takes is a few minutes to fact-check seniorcraig’s constant and frequent misleading posts/comments.
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Oh, and a.. ‘brain’.. capable of rational thought.
Sure. Better nutrition, easier access to hospitals and ERs, and antibiotics to clobber piggyback infections. Can you explain why incidence of measles dropped over 99.99% after the vaccine was released, and 100% reduction in the death rate?
Unless it is your child… Oh yeah, my daughters death meant nothing, she died for the greater good… ARGH!!!!!
In fact, she did. But her death is only meaningless if you make it so.
We should still vaccinate.
WOW!… simply… WOW!!!!! I will hope that nothing like what I went through ever happens to you or anyone you know and/or care about…
You presume much and yet know nothing about me. This is not all about you. Without vaccinations, 400 people die from measle complications every day. How many would you have us add by ending measles vaccinations?
What exactly did I “presume” in fact I specifically stated that I hoped you never had to experience having a child die in your arms… A child that had she died at home would have been deemed a SIDS death… This is what several doctors and the coroner told me… It makes one wonder, how many of the SIDS deaths are misdiagnosed, how many are actually due to vaccinations… Now, tell me when and where I said no one should vaccinate… You cannot because I have never said such a thing as both Dorit and Mike Stevens can attest to and they are two of the major pro-vaxxers on these types of stories. ALL I ever tell anyone is KNOW everything you can before making the decision, not to go blindly into it… That is just a good parenting tip…
Thanks for making it abundantly clear what you presumed to know.
As for vaccinations, I said we should vaccinate despite your loss and you provided the ‘WOW’ response. Is the another way to interpret what you said?
Actually it seems that you are not immune from making assumptions… My WOW was for you saying that “In fact, she did. But her death is only meaningless if you make it so.” I think any parent who held their 3 month old infant in their arms as the life faded from them would feel like their child’s death was “meaningless” You ALSO assumed I was telling people to not vaccinate and I have in fact never stated anything of the sort…
Your daughter’s life is your to honor. It is truly meaningless only if you so decide.
People who may note that she died for the greater good are spot on. Vaccination arguments are entirely about the greater good, whether individually or in common. Unless some one forced you to vaccinate, you made the choice yourself, based on evidence presented to you.
You’re right, I presumed. It’s inconceivable to me that a person who went down this path would not understand the basis for the decision and the recommendations, and would then come to the conclusion that a life was meaningless.
I never said I did not honor my daughter, I never said her life was meaningless… I said her DEATH was meaningless… There is a HUGE difference!!! You are a cruel man whether you realize it or not… Lying even about what I said!!! And actually my older children had been “contraindicated” prior ro Jessica’s death, her doctor convinced me that because Jessica had a different father things would be fine… He was WRONG!!!
Her life, her death, only you can make the decision of what it meant. And you did make a decision. If you don’t think vaccinations have made life dramatically better in the US and abroad, you are remarkably ill informed. Choosing to participate in that process helps make life markedly better for the overwhelming majority. That your daughter died as a result doesn’t make her death meaningless to me.
All that said, you responded to my argument that we should vaccinate by presenting your daughter’s death. One can only presume it was presented as a reason not to vaccinate. You didn’t advise caution or education and I had already been very clear that vaccinations are not without risk.
If you read about the possible outcomes as a result of the various diseases early vaccinations prevent, they mostly involve risk of death. We all weigh risks and we don’t always come out ahead. You didn’t, but overwhelmingly we do when vaccinating.
Finally, don’t mistake emotion for argument or dispassion for cruelty.
Her life, her death, only you can make the decision of what it meant. And you did make a decision. If you don’t think vaccinatios have made life dramatically better in the US and abroad, you are remarkably ill informed. Choosing to participate in that process helps make life markedly better for the overwhelming majority. That your daughter died as a result doesn’t make her death meaningless to me.
All that said, you responded to my argument that we should vaccinate by presenting your daughter’s death. One can only presume it was as a reason not to vaccinate. You didn’t advise caution or education and I had already been very clear that vaccinations are not without risk.
If you read about the possible outcomes as a result of the various diseases early vaccinations prevent, they mostly involve risk of death. We all weigh risks and we don’t always come out ahead. You didn’t, but overwhelmingly we do when vaccinating.
Finally, don’t mistake emotion for argument or dispassion for cruelty.
Do you not know how to read??? Did you miss where I very specifically stated ” Now, tell me when and where I said no one should vaccinate… You cannot because I have never said such a thing as both Dorit and Mike Stevens can attest to and they are two of the major pro-vaxxers on these types of stories. That is just a good parenting tip…” and “You ALSO assumed I was telling people to not vaccinate and I have in fact never stated anything of the sort…”
NOWHERE does that say “One can only presume it was as a reason not to vaccinate. You didn’t advise caution or education and I had already been very clear that vaccinations are not without risk.”
You are one of three things, a troll trying to cause problems, someone who lacks the ability to read or a liar…. Because I VERY clearly DID “tell anyone is KNOW everything you can before making the decision, not to go blindly into it…” This most definitely DID tell people to use caution and become educated what the heck do you think “KNOW everything” and “not to go blindly into it” mean???
A suggestion would be to read things completely and possibly ask questions rather than make accusations…
Since the discussion moved to me rather than vaccinations,noting how I read your comments seems appropriate. Read the thread from the top, you should see what I mean.
As for trolling, you laid your child’s death on an argument you say you support. Seems like you’re not so supportive. You say I need to read, but there was nothing I said that warranted your response, particularly if you are a vaccination supporter.
You continue to try to pigeonhole me. Won’t work.
Her life, her death, only you can make the decision of what it meant. And you did make a decision. If you don’t think vaccinatios have made life dramatically better in the US and abroad, you are remarkably ill informed. Choosing to participate in that process helps make life markedly better for the overwhelming majority. That your daughter died as a result doesn’t make her death meaningless to me.
All that said, you responded to my argument that we should vaccinate by presenting your daughter’s death. One can only presume it was presented as a reason not to vaccinate. You didn’t advise caution or education and I had already been very clear that vaccinations are not without risk.
If you read about the possible outcomes as a result of the various diseases early vaccinations prevent, they mostly involve risk of death. We all weigh risks and we don’t always come out ahead. You didn’t, but overwhelmingly we do when vaccinating.
Finally, don’t mistake emotion for argument or dispassion for cruelty.
How about YOU decide for yourself, and leave others to decide for themselves as well? What a heartless response to a mother who lost a child! Let me guess, you are a supporter of utilitarian bioethics, right? Hitler would have loved you.
You, too, know nothing about me. But that didn’t stop you from making wild accusations and wilder guesses.
As for the decision to vaccinate, public health means public decisions. We don’t live in isolation, where you can simply decide for yourself. Vaccinations are only one of many public decisions and not a particularly contentious one, when you consider the facts.
I see you didn’t actually answer the questions. Evasive much?
This “public” line doesn’t negate personal rights, not in a free country. Do you prefer some other sort of country? Feel free to move to one.
Facts considered, and I prefer not to accept risky procedures for questionable benefit. Again, decide for yourself. You have to right to force your decisions on anyone else.
Sadly, you return. And you appear to be unable to discern the answer to your question, even as you reply to it.
You presume personal freedoms trump the common good. You only need to travel to your nearest stop sign to find that argument in tatters. Betcha stayed on your sde of the road, too.
That said, should I respond to your baseless accusations as well? Would you feel better if I actually said you were a loon instead of letting things go quietly? You do realize the Hitler comparison is a sure sign of death for your argument, don’t you? Now you’re followingup with the ever-so-popular ‘leave the country’. Who’d a thunk you’d pull out two tired cliches in one thread?
I don’t run away because of some liberal poster that can’t even answer questions. Why would I? If you can’t handle dissent, perhaps you should avoid these discussions.
You clearly have no concept of personal freedom, if you believe traffic laws are anything close to forced medical decisions.
If you want to pump poison into your system, have at, but don’t demand that others follow your lead.
Once again, you return only to spew. I didn’t ask you to go away, I merely noted with dismay that you were back. In fact, you were the one telling me to leave the country. How ironic you don’t even like a hint of that argument applied to you.
Your lack of insight doesn’t keep you from throwing out labels. You should choose instead to make sound arguments. Your inability to see how we restrict personal freedoms for the common good is what’s killing your position, then and now. But since you continue to have trouble accepting that I did answer your question, I suppose I should not be surprised.
“Liberal”? Way to many people would laugh at that label hen attached to me.
“Poison”? Prove it.
I am not “back”, because I never left. I am still here. I made a suggestion, not a demand. Reading comprehension matters. here is no “common good” in restricting freedom. Someone choosing not to vaccinate doesn’t endanger anyone else. Either the shots work, or they don’t. If you trust them so little, why bother? Answer that.
You are “back”, since we’re talking days between responses.
The “love it or leave it” cliche takes many forms. You’re safely within the usual bounds.
The common good is the only reason we have restricted rights. And make no mistake, you have no unlimited rights.
Vaccines are not 100% effective. Some people can’t safely take some vaccines. Measles (the one that initiated this discussion) is not safe for infants. All these make your premise incorrect. Choosing not to vaccinate does endanger people. For a 95% effective vaccine, the unvaccinated represent a risk to more than 15 million vaccinated persons in the US alone. Then add another 10 to 12 million, also in the US, who are too young to have had the two-shot series. And then add those who are unable to be vaccinated.
If you know so little, why are you speaking as if you know so much?
I have a life outside of posting online. Unlike some, this isn’t a job for me. It’s simply something I do when I feel like it and have the time.
I know a great deal more than you would wish. I know how dangerous such vaccinations can be, and have known people harmed by them. They are not safe. They aren’t effective. They can do more harm than good. That the ones making money off vaccines push for so much disinformation, and concealing of data, doesn’t mean that vaccines are truly for the “common good”.
I never suggested you didn’t have “a life”. I noted you were back and you took umbrage. When I note why, you took umbrage. Given your “something I do when I feel like it and have the time” (which makes my case) it seems your purpose is to be disagreeable.
If you don’t know why the vaccinated want to be careful around the unvaccinated, you don’t know enough. Add that to your regurgitation of discredited talking points and you have a recipe for perpetuating myth and ignorance.
I know plenty, and that’s what really bothers you. I don’t use talking points. I can think for myself. Try it sometime.
Puleeze! You’ve done nothing but vent anti-vax propaganda. You don’t even understand the issue enough to present an independent case.
Get over yourself.
You mean facts?? I understand the issue very well, thank you. You are the one who doesn’t, since you do nothing but repeat the party line. Independent? You don’t know the meaning of the word, nor would you be able to handle it. You prefer being led around.
Sadly, you’re discussing your argument, not mine.
This thread is weeks old now, with nothing but propaganda from you. Time for you to go home.
Get em girl!!!!
I like your style and your brains!
Our green eyes don’t hurt either…….
Cept mine seem to be baby blues here, really, the ones here are snow white.
Take care…….God Bless…………
The monsters among us are growing daily………………..
From a vaccine? Based on how my oldest reacted to her first shot, I can well believe it. She literally screamed all night, and kept three adults up to try and care for her. Horrible, all to “prevent” a disease that isn’t a big threat. I am deeply sorry you had to go through that. No parent should have to ‘lose a child, especially not in such a way.
I would encourage you to speak up, and loudly, with the facts, to counter the propaganda.
Yes, Jessica was in the hospital within hours of her vaccines and dead within days. I do speak up, I tell parents to not blindly vaccinate, to know the benefits and the possible side effects, to know their child’s history and state of health, to know their family history etc… I often get torn to shreds when I am not in fact saying do not vaccinate, I am saying if you are going to vaccinate then do it intelligently…
What was the doctors’ diagnosis for your child’s hospitalization?
What did the medical examiner’s report as the cause of death?
Where did you read that a “family history” is a contraindication for receiving any vaccine?
I have shared this with you in the past… I bawled my eyes out while I wrote it all down for you and do you remember what you did??? I do, it is why I have NOTHING to do with you!!!!!
You don’t have to post anything to her. lilady is a dishonest, hypocritical, elitist troll who does not actually care what happened to your child. She only wants to spew her hate-filled filth at anyone who doesn’t agree with her dogma.
Which is why I said I wanted nothing to do with her…
I am truly sorry to hear about your child, Wynema, and I wish you well.
Please take care.
Its constantly pushed on 99% of the mainstream propaganda networks, and then it would be reinforced by the shills as yourself, but it is easily discredited here on the internet, as are all of your arguments in defense of the deadly toxic vaccines which yes cause autism, and yes Dr.Wakefield, Jenny McCarthy are more crefible then any of the sources you shills quote since 90% of the published research on all drugs are faked.
And the Moon is really made of green cheese, but nobody knows that because the Apollo program was filmed in a Hollywood back lot.
Pardon me, Jennifer Craig, Ph.D?
Why do you think that the VAERS database is a reliable source?
Why don’t you read here, how vaccines are developed, undergo multiple clinical trials before they are licensed and are constantly monitored for safety and efficacy for as long as they are on the Recommended Childhood Vaccine Schedule?
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccine_Monitoring/Index.html
the gold standard in medicine for testing drugs is the randomized control trial. Cite me one study of a true RCT on vaccines where there is a control group that is given a placebo.
Why do you think the CDC is a reliable source?
Do you even know that a vacccine randomized control trial (which is also double blinded and has a placebo arm) is unethical?
Why don’t you design that type of study which is sufficiently powered and take it to an IRB for approval?
Let us know when your “vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated study” is published.
Silly lady.
ONLY in the vaccine world is it considered unethical. the reason – the control group is being denied a “life-saving” treatment before it’s even proved it is effective. Utter nonsense but like so much in the vaccine world, pharma gets away with it.
Let us know when you gain a modicum of common sense.
Good grief. You are a persistent ignorant cyber stalking troll.
Have you no compassion for children in the placebo arm of that RCT, who would be unprotected from V-P-Ds…and neither their parents nor the study’s authors would know which children received the vaccine and which children received the placebo?
That is EXACTLY the false reasoning I was talking about and it is ONLY applied to vaccines. When people volunteer to take part in drug studies, they know beforehand that they may receive a placebo. That is the whole idea. And to reason as you have done, makes studies of vaccines worthless. Worthless. Which is why I asked you for a RCT study of vaccine. So your answer is none. Therefore studies of vaccines are worthless.
Back to your name-calling again. RN Has Been.
Good grief, you say good grief a lot. And you are a persistent ignorant cyber stalking troll.
I haven’t read something so ignorant written by someone who supposedly has medical expertise in a long time.
Ah, Sir Christopher has arrived, waving his banner and shouting, “Lies, lies, lies.” Now Lady Lily has her knights around her. Wait for the next scene in this exciting drama where all the actors think that writing posts ridiculing each other is going to make any difference.
I’ve read a lot about the health dangers of smoking. They have even banned smoking in many public places. Can you point me to a randomized clinical trial showing these dangers, or is it a conspiracy of Big Patch and Big Brother to take our cigs away?
One of the original Salk trials was an RCT. Next question?
I’ve tried to explain to the “seniorcraig” and the “Imposter”, who post as a tag team, why a RCT with a placebo arm, is ethical ONLY when there is no safe alternative available, such as the Salk trials.
Thick as planks… the both of them.
Why do you lie so much?
You’ve been talking to seniorcraig about that…not me.
How many medications undergo similar trials, are certified safe, then end up the cause of major class action lawsuits because they are not, in fact, safe at all? Oh, that’s right, tons, all the time. The mercury alone is a known poison, yet it’s till in many vaccines.
But, hey, believe whatever they tell you, if you want.
So, before the vaccine we averaged 400-450 deaths from measles per year. Your 108 number is inflated, but let’s go with it anyway. We traded 400 annual deaths from wild measles for 11 from the MMR. Why is this a bad trade? Which looks more dangerous: wild measles, or the vaccine?
I mean, you could pretend that we could stop vaccinating and the measles deaths wouldn’t come back, but as the article implies, isn’t that like believing in Santa Claus?
Do you have any evidence of vaccine “injuries” being more frequent than the diseases they prevent? You know… from a real scientist?
Even if you did, you are not comparing the right populations. You should compare the vaccine “injuries” in a place with 100% immunization rate to the illness “injuries” in a place with 0% immunization rate.
Those are the numbers that any objective scientist would look to compare. If the deaths/injuries occurring because of a specific vaccine is greater than the deaths/injuries it prevents, I would agree with you. Of course you don’t have anything to show that.
You have a handful of frightened parents that have tossed logic to the wind, and worse, have tossed their social responsibilities as well.
I don’t want to hear a single one of these liberals talking about my obligation to pay taxes if they consider it just fine to let their children walk around infecting infants with deadly disease, just so they can feel less worry about a bogus myth.
You were doing great. Logical and very persuasive. And I agree with you on the need to vaccinate. Then you take a political turn.
How do you equate this issue with liberals and your tax obligations. Do you have evidence it is liberal parents avoiding the vaccinations for their kids?
I know this is only anecdote, but every anti-vaxer I have ever met has been a very big supporter of high taxes and wealth redistribution.
Just looking at a map of the exemption rates of states it is very clear that all the big anti-vax states are blue and the only exceptions are high native american population states.
I am not saying that there are no conservative anti-vaxers out there, but at least their libertarian philosophies would be consistent with it. For a “it takes a village” liberal to say people should be obligated to pay taxes, but not be obligated to vaccinate because “It is my child” is a clear contradiction. You can’t have it both ways. If you (not you personally, ryecatcher, I know you were not saying this) think it is OK to let your child spread a disease to an infant, I don’t see how you can say I (and I am not saying I don’t) have an obligation to give half of my productive efforts to someone else out of social obligation.
I guess what you are saying is if you are not required by law to be vaccinated it follows you should not be obligated to pay taxes. Correct me if I’m wrong.
I simply don’t agree with Libertarian philosophy of government and taxation. I think there is powerful evidence that the bulk of the wealth in this country is concentrated in the hands of a few. That’s not a economically healthy situation for any of us on the lower rungs of the economic ladder. Thanks for your reply.
Kinda… I am saying that it is logically inconsistent to suggest that people should be forced to pay taxes, but not forced to be immunized.
A functioning society requires the ability to force people to sometimes do things that only work if everyone pitches in. In those cases, it is always in each individual’s best interest to “opt out” of the cost, and only partake in the benefit. Immunization is one example, so is public funding of schools, so is shoveling your sidewalk.
The antivax movement is split between liberals of the sort you mention, and Tea Partiers who see vaccines as an evil government compulsory control program. Look in the comments threads against vaccines. There are lots of right-wingers.
What the map shows is that the hippie-type antivaxers cluster, making them more of a threat to public health (more critical mass of disease susceptibles). I guess the Tea Party anti-vax loons are diluted by the regular conservatives they live near.
You are right. I was wrong.
Just means all over the political spectrum, we have our hands full. The Daily Kos web site ridicules antivaxers as much as any centrist or conservative outlet I can think of.
I agree with ryecatcher. No political party/political affiliation has a lock on credulous parents who are vaccine phobic and who steadfastly refused to provide their children with the protective value of safe and effective vaccines.
It’s amazing to me parents in this day and age avoid “safe and affective” vaccinations for their children. We agree on that issue for sure. Thanks for your reply.
$3,090,780,181.43
Three BILLION, 90 million, 780 thousand, 181 dollars and 43 cents.
That’s what the U.S. government (taxpayers) has paid so far to compensate families whose children have been injured and killed by vaccines.
It’s estimated that 1 out of 1,000 injuries is ever compensated.
So much for “Rare.”
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statisticsreport.pdf
That’s around 2000 cases compensated, during which time there have been around 1 billion shots given.
That is rare.
There is no evidence for your claim only 1 in a thousand injuries are compensated, although I guess you may be correct if you count all the “My arm is a bit sore Mommy” sobs as vaccine injury.
The only thing rare is when they compensate, otherwise, vaccine injuries are common place but grossly under-reported.
Yes, as I said.
I personally know of nobody who ever reported that they got a sore arm.
(However, looking at reports of gardasil injury, I note plenty of people who did just that)
You were not compensated for your child’s autism.
https://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/opinions/HASTINGS.PAVLOVIC110911.pdf
You piece of dog crap, my son suffers daily unmercifully. With never ending inflammation from the MMR, that has caused the bowel to be paralyzed. Thus in turn, causing the inability
to pass gas or for that matter even poop. The motility of the bowel, is affected by the measles infection, that’s being found in the lower bowel.
The Pill cam, it had revealed, the over two decades old inflammation. All the while being told,that we cannot justify the cost of a pill cam.
Your child’s screaming tantrums we were told, was only due to his bad autistic behavior.
Would that not be considered, medical malpractice? A total failure to listen to the parents, after all they are the ones were told. That spend so much time, in medical school.
To bad, they didn’t learn anything.
The pill cam revealed, 14 and a half inches of red raw bleeding ulcers. Thus causing, the bad autistic behavior. So my child, was left suffering for almost 2 decades unmercifully.
And the Idiots, just wanted to medicate him with psychological drugs.
The Dr’s and Ped’s of today, most are by the evidence, apparently completely worthless Bought! Drug pushers.
What’s wrong with this picture? This is the state of our health system, totally incompetent.
Bought and paid for Idiots, that apparently cannot do the simple 9th grade math, that’s needed to protect this Nations children.
CDC FOIA email, ” this was not rocket science, it was ninth grade math ” He was referring to the inability of the FDA, to do the ninth grade math in calculating the total amount of mercury that was foolishly being injected into our own children.
You clogged the Vaccine Court for three years, with your stalling motions. Your case for your child’s autism was dismissed due to lack of evidence and lack of an expert witness.
Go away Joe.
You cyber stalk parents like Joe across the internet, acting like one of the fanatics at the Westboro Baptist Church.
Go away, Ms. Phelps-Roper.
Your rage at the apparent mismanagement of your son’s autism would be better directed in more productive ways instead of hurling abuse at other people on the internet.
If there is malpractice or negligence, then please devote your energies to claiming for that and correcting what they have done wrong. Lashing out at me for pointing out the facts about vaccines and infections is pretty futile.
seniorcraig: “That’s what the U.S. government (taxpayers) has paid so far to compensate families whose children have been injured and killed by vaccines.”
Taxpayers?
Not true..
“Vaccine Injury Compensation Programs”
“The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) established this system, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP), in 1988. NVICP is funded by a tax of $0.75 per vaccine dose, collected from vaccine manufacturers by the U.S. Department of the Treasury. The NVICP does not cover all vaccines; however, vaccines routinely given to children as part of the recommended immunization schedule are included, and some adult vaccines are covered as well.”
I am really bewildered how someone who claims (and maybe even has) extensive scientific education could put forward an argument this stupid. Did you have a stroke?
The vaccine court has been in business over 25 years, so that works out to (less than) $120,000,000 per year. That sounds like a big number until you put it up against the losses caused by the wild diseases. Let’s pick polio, 1952. 3100 deaths. The standard Vaccine Court payout for death is $250,000, so my side of the scale already has $775,000,000 (over six times yours), and now I’ll add on 21,000 cases of paralysis. Maybe $100,000? Now I’m up over a billion dollars and I haven’t given measles, pertussis, and diphtheria a turn yet. Which causes more economic loss: vaccines, or the diseases?
By the way, the claim that only 1 in 1000 injuries is compensated is just made up.
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Please cite the 1/1,000 number using a non-biased source and we can talk. Unless you can do that, I am going to compare the actually diagnosed cases of vaccine injury due to MMR in the last EIGHT years (104) to the DEATHS in the last ONE year before we started immunizations (432), and that is in a MUCH smaller 1962 population.
I could make anything sound bad if I claim that I get to multiply the actual injuries are 1,000 times the recorded injuries without having to cite any actual scientific evidence.
I’ll make a deal with you. You don’t have to vaccinate your kids if you agree to buy insurance to pay damages to any children that are injured by contracting the disease from your kids? Sounds fair to me. After all, based on your numbers, anyone that gets the shot and is injured, get compensated very richly.
You could describe for us how your claim on behalf of your child and your allegation that your child’s autism was caused by a vaccine, failed before the Vaccine Court. That claim was dismissed due to lack of evidence and lack of an expert witness.
Here is on display the lilady the stalker, his/her/it only purpose is to ‘Try’ to discourage/stop/embarass/intimidate any person or parent of a knowingly vaccine injured child from telling others, this is another ‘Evil’ face.
You conceded that you had no plausible proof for your claim of vaccines-induced-autism
https://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/opinions/HASTINGS.PAVLOVIC110911.pdf
Learn punctuation, Ms. Phelps-Roper. The comma after vaccine in the first sentence is completely unnecessary.
The question to ask is not how many vaccine injuries vs. measles deaths, but the rate of injuries vs. the incidence of disease in the unvaccinated population (pre-vaccine).
It seems obvious we are better off with vaccines than without.
Simple question. If these people are guilty of what DR.William Thompson asserts, should there not be punishment that fits the crime????
Even the IOM meeting, was predetermined before they stepped foot in that meeting. The fact that the CDC, ordered them to pay very little attention, to the biological evidence. Evidence in 2001, that was sufficient enough to declare that vaccines and their ingredients. Was sufficient! to declare that the link was biologically plausible. In 2004, the CDC told them
( the IOM ) to re-evaluate their earlier findings. But this time, your to ignore the evidence that found a biological link. And to put all your confidence, in the large population based VSD studies. And of course, the studies from Denmark!
Denmark, where the lead author of the studies that was used as proof that vaccine containing Mercury was not only safe. It was actually, found to be good for the developing brain. And it also, as a added benefit. Their findings were, that it prevented autism. This lead author,he is now on the run for he has been indicted on 22 ct’s of fraud. That’s researcher, is the proper advice givers (AAP CDC), Thimerosal flag ship study author.
He was indicted on 13 ct’s of wire fraud and nine ct’s of money laundering. But he that supposedly stole from the CDC, when the heat in Denmark got to intense, came to the US. to Atlanta GA. Where he Poul, bought with the Autism research money a house next to the CDC, 2 cars and a Harley motorcycle & then wired himself almost 1 million dollars in cash. You see, even though the CDC had known that Poul was being looked at for possibly absconding with almost 2 million dollars. In as the CDC puts it, preciously scarce research funds. The CDC knew, they were looking for Poul in Denmark. Yet, they hired Poul to be the head of the new DSM-5. The IOM was also told this, “that Walt wants you to declare, well these things are pretty safe on a population basis” Later Dr. McCormick says, and by the way, what Walt wants Walt generally gets. She was speaking of Walter A. Orenstien the Dir of the CDC’s vaccine commission.
So, how does ordering someone to find no causation,
equal good quality science???? Proving no causation????
The IOM meeting minutes, were not legally available to the public through the FOIA. Someone very concerned, at that meeting leaked them out for fear of being ordered to cover this mass poisoning up. Also, the Powerful House Appropriations committee, asked the NIH to evaluate the CDC’s science on autism and vaccines. The NIH, they turned that political hot potato, over to the NIEHS. The lead NIEHS researcher,she had released her report to the committee. It appears,upon evaluation that all those large population based studies, that the CDC said for the IOM to put all their confidence in. They were in her words, riddled full of design flaws,rendering them en-effect useless. She also said this, as bad as the US VSD large population based studies were. They were in her words, an improvement over the other two,the two Denmark studies. That was said, 2 whole yr’s before the Denmark fraud was uncovered. Wow, it appears your AAP CDC emperor’s doesn’t have any clothes, and probably they never did.
The special master of the NVICP, ruled this way against the 3 test cases. He said, that the science was so overwhelming against the parents, he had no choice but to rule against the parents. He then states what science he based his opinion on.
# 1 was the large population based VSD studies. Found to be en-effect useless by the NIH’s NIEHS. The NIEHS researcher said, (that leaves the CDC, with very little to say that vaccines and autism are not connected, in anyway)
# 2 was Denmark studies exonerating Thimerosal and the CDC. The lead author, has been indicted on 22 ct’s of fraud.
# 3 was the expert opinion of the prestigious IOM. The lead person there that day, said this; Verbatim. In fact it’s from the IOM minutes.
“We’ve got a dragon by the tail here,” states a committee member in the transcript. “At the end of the line, what we know is – and I agree – that the more negative that presentation [the report] is, the less likely people are to use vaccination, immunization, and we know what the results of that will be. We are kind of caught in a trap. How we work our way out of the trap, I think, is the charge.” Question? how is one caught in a trap, if one finds with good quality scientific studies that vaccines are safe?
They were ordered to find no causation, they complied. But, they left this admission, that they did not use science to come to their conclusion. They were trying to convince their own committee members, that if we tell the truth, that the American public will lose confidence in the vaccine program.
And that they said, may lead to out breaks.
The GAO’s office had sent a letter to the NVICP, threatening to investigate them, for the on going non payment of vaccine injured children.
The NVICP replied with, “we won three teat cases, but there is 5000 more pending, and we only have 2 billion dollars in the fund” They said.
I just obliterated, the so called science used to dismiss all of the three test cases. The return letter to the GAO’s office, was I assume a plea to not investigate them. For they do not have the money, to pay for all of the damage vaccines have caused.
The Holy Spirit in me, just served you!
Here’s the problem, the revolving door into the very industry that the government agencies CDC FDA Dir’s once overseen.
The CDC’s Dir was asked to defend or concur, to the findings of the NIH report. The CDC Dir said, that she concurs to the VSD finding environmental. She then said this, we will not be using the VSD anymore to access, whether vaccines and autism are linked. To do so she said, would be misleading.
Then she makes a shocking admission, that hints, that all of their science to date, was of bad quality.
“but if you do give us more time, we will do good quality studies”
She leaves the CDC, and goes to work for Merck, for almost 2 million a yr.
I guess that depends,on whether it was your child, that was sacrificed for the good of the herd.
Your child is autistic. You made a claim before the Vaccine Court alleging that vaccines caused the autism. If spite of the lower burden of proof in Vaccine Court-vs-every Civil Court, the case was dismissed due to lack of proof and lack of an expert witness to back up your false claim.
The Vaccine Court is not a charity or a social welfare agency. It exists to reimburse those with real (provable) injuries associated with a vaccine.
This is absolutely disgusting. Telling someone that they are lying about their child’s injury so that they can extort money from the NVICP? Really?
Cyberstalking troll.
And if the vaccines are failing? It will be a few years before we see new vaccines for MMR and Pertussis. In the meantime, lets blame the unvaccinated.
The vaccines are not failing. The first of the 2-dose measles series vaccines provides immunity for 95 % of recipient. The second dose of the 2-dose series provides immunity to 99 % of vaccine recipients. The MMR vaccine is long lasting and most probably lifelong.
“the vaccines are no failing’ so mumps and whooping cough are not failing? I guess you didn’t read Dr.Poland’s study because it states..
However, measles eradication is unlikely as population immunity of 96–98% is required to prevent persisting measles endemicity [7,8,27,201]. In a recent study of measles-vaccine efficacy from 1960 to 2010, median efficacy was only 94% [28]. While the current measles vaccine used in the USA and many other countries is safe and effective, paradoxically in the unique case of measles, it appears to insufficiently induce herd immunity in the population. This relates to a combination of factors including: higher than observed rates of primary and secondary vaccine failure in clinical practice versus that seen in clinical trials
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3570049/
Ione, you need to read this:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2015/02/05/on-measles-and-the-mmr-vaccine-a-conversation-with-vaccine-researcher-gregory-poland/
Your precious vaccines, they are failing all over the US. miserably. Measles and Whopping cough.
Cocooning, that was introduced for a very short time. Was discontinued! Reason was, that the effect they wanted, to protect the newborn and the immune compromised. It was working in reverse, they found out that the freshly vaccinated loved ones were shedding for up to 5 weeks. Thus putting in danger, the very newborn children and immune compromised, that they were trying to protect?
It appears, that the CDC and the AAP that cooked that up, did so for profits! Until someone with a brain figured out, they were guilty of doing exactly what they were accusing the under vaccinated of doing. Putting the newborns, and all the immune compromised in danger, by shedding the virus on them. You who look up to these idiots, stop listening to Idiots that the CDC WB says, is paralyzed by anything related to autism. He said,that their so afraid of finding an association, that their not going to do what’s right. The fact that he said ” I have a boss, who’s asking me to lie ” proves the main point, that their incapable of slowing or stopping this epidemic / pandemic. You can clearly understand by his own words, that he has lost all confidence in the CDC. He said, ” we have put the research 10 yr’s behind, because the CDC has not been transparent. That’s your A-team trying to stop a raging epidemic.
This post is so horribly punctuated that I have almost no idea what it says.
Attack my content, you can’t it’s truth! It’s past time, for the truth to prevail. I never thought that I would ever see the day, that professional people would choose profits over children’s health. The CDC AAP and the FDA, is totally corrupt to the core of their being. Pride and Arrogance, has led to kids having the worse health in US. history.
It time to throw the bums out, and start a new.
It appears, that the Nazi system (Pharma) just traded countries. They have no conscience, or moral compass. Profits trump, human rights.
Godwin, Joe? Really? Where’s the religious bit?
Wait, it gets worse. Joe posts are indecipherable. Watch him as he throws out his religious and his own personal belief that we will receive retribution from G-d.
Sad that a grown many is uneducable and so bitter.
Should be an apostrophe “s” after “Joe.” Should not be a “y” after “man” in the second sentence.
Yes, the hypocrisy is truly profound.
His excessive use of the comma does make his posts hard to follow. Simple typos are not a problem however.
Joe, You’re blathering about vaccines which you know nothing about. Please stop. Your posts are getting more and more crazy..
My, that is truly hysterical and hypocritical coming from you.
…and his comment isn’t removed. Tells a lot about site bias!
Not cool. You reduce yourself to the level of the anti-vaxxers.
You mean like this?
“Sure you can jump off a nice high bridge…just do it. Consider that act to be for the benefit of society.”
-lilady responding to another commenter.
The post actually reads like he’s worried about children’s health being harmed by misinformation that leads parents not to protect their children from disease.
The author is very weak regarding using or researching his own material. Just recycling the talking points. Tell me, is the measles hysteria based upon a wild measles strain or is it from a vaccine related measles vaccine?
They can’t do that, it would be telling the truth.
The measles genotype impicated in this current outbreak has been identified as the B 3 genotype, already responsible for the 40,000 cases of measles in the Philippines, not the strain contained in the MMR II Vaccine.
(Immunoogy 101 and Virology 101)
The measles strain in the MMR vaccine is genotype A.
CDC Website:
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/lab-tools/genetic-analysis.html
Glad you’re admitting that Wayne Rohde, because the CDC has already stated the B-3 strain has been genotyped as the strain which caused the huge Disneyland parks measles outbreak.
It’s a wild measles strain, subtype originating in Phillipines.
In other words it is similar to the strain introduced into the US by the unvaccinated Amish child who brought it back from there last year.
It is clearly still circulating.
Thanks, antivaxers!
Has that specific strain of measles from the Amish resurfaced again in the US? I have not seen any CDC notices. Now the measles outbreak at Disneyland is mostly in adults and older teens according to some news reports but not confirmed by any health agencies. With over 650 cases of measles in the US during 2014 and half of them belong to the Amish outbreak, that is still 300+ in the US. Now why is everyone flipping out over 114 cases in 2015 compared to 300+ in 2014 (not Amish)? By the way, most of us (anti-vaxers as you call us) are pro-vax until one of our family members was injured or died as the result of a vax. Now we deal with that issue including immune issues as well. So many next time when your unfounded hatred points at us, you would reconsider.
“Now why is everyone flipping out over 114 cases in 2015 compared to 300+ in 2014 (not Amish)?”
Maybe because there are still 11 months to go before the end of 2015?
I’d like to address some of the mis information in this piece. It’s wrong that writers can get away with publishing an article with incorrect information. Dr. Wakefield had nothing to do with parents questioning vaccine safety in the US. They had never heard of him or the 1998 study. What drove the movement has always been the rise of autism. Parents who saw their normally developing children regress into autism following their vaccinations. This writer’s information on Disneyland is also incorrect. The majority of those who got the measles had been vaccinated for it. Vaccines do not always guarantee immunity. People who are vaccinated with the 3 live viruses in the MMR can spread the virus to others for at least weeks after they have been vaccinated. The numbers of those he describes here as dying from measles is a made up number by the CDC.-3 deaths for every 1,000 patients is not true and never has been. The fact is that I grew up when all the children got these diseases(and get full lifetime immunity) and I never knew a person who died from measles or even was hospitalized. Really the media and the government are using this nonsense as a scare technique. Measles is a whole lot better than autism-trust me.
To suggest that people be forced to vaccinated and take away their health choice rights is a Hitler state.If Mr. Perry wants to stick a forced needle where the sun don’t shine I suggest to him that in a medically totalitarian state-the sun will never shine again.
Maurine Meleck SC
I am so sorry to hear someone say they would rather have a dead kid than a kid with autism. Vaccines do not cause autism. There has been real links to older men fathering kids with autism. They say genetic mutation in a mans semen doubles every 16 years. Here is a picture of a kid killed by measles. Do you want a video, then will you believe? Moron.
In that case moron,the human race would have been extinct thousands of yr’s ago. We go thousands of years, and all of a sudden older men are at risk for having an autistic child???? No they got caught poisoning our children with Mercury, and they had to come up with others kinds possibility’s. Haven’t you heard, the last BS tax payer paid study blames circumcision ??????
No we just had much shorter lifespans before vaccination. Okay so we have an autism Andy. Oh the Mercury caused autism and ALL mainstream news organizations are in bed with the federal government to cover it up. …oh the bubble…
If you get to read about the protection, that was put together by Congressman and Senators and a sitting President. I promise, that you will not be able to defend their actions. It will not be, logically, possible. You don’t try to move heaven and hell, trying to get protection for something that never happened!
Sue Swedo, MD, chief of the pediatric and developmental neuropsychiatry branch of the National Institute of Mental Health, says federal researchers have not closed the door to looking at whether vaccination might, in rare cases, be linked to autism.
“Our studies of regressive autism are taking a very shotgun approach to environmental factors in autism,” Swedo tells WebMD. “We are saying we don’t really know right now whether such factors might be involved.”
Lee Sanders, MD, MPH, associate professor of pediatrics at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine, tells WebMD even though he’s firmly in favor of vaccines, he doesn’t dismiss concerns about them outright.
“We’re going to continue to do the research to look for unknown side effects,” he says. “We’re not going to stop looking.”
https://www.webmd.com/brain/aut…
Here are the views of Dr. Bernadine Healy, who was the former head of the National Institute of Health, the former head of the American Red Cross, and the former Chair of the White House Cabinet Group on Biotechnology, one of several White House positions she held in service to three American presidents. Dr. Healy’s criticism of the public health establishment isfor being “too quick to dismiss vaccine concerns as irrational…The more you delve into it, if you look at the basic science, if you look at the research that’s been done in animals, if you also look at some of these individual cases, and if you look at the evidence…what you come away with is that the question of vaccine safety has not been answered.”
Dr. Peter Fletcher, former Chief Scientific Officer at the UK’s Department of Health. Dr. Fletcher was also the Medical Assessor to the Committee on Safety of Medicines, he was the very person who determined for the UK government whether vaccines were safe. Dr. Fletcher has gone public several times with his concerns about vaccines, and with his frustration that “no one in authority will even admit a vaccine-related problem could be happening, let alone try to investigate the causes.”Dr. Fletcher said if it is proven that the jab causes autism, “the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history”. He said he has seen a “steady accumulation of evidence” from scientists worldwide that the measles, mumps and rubella jab is causing brain damage in certain children. But he added: “There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves.”
He first expressed concerns about MMR in 2001, saying safety trials before the vaccine’s introduction in Britain were inadequate. “Clinical and scientific data is steadily accumulating that the live measles virus in MMR can cause brain, gut and immune system damage in a subset of vulnerable children,” he said. It is the steady accumulation of evidence, from a number of respected universities, teaching hospitals and laboratories around the world, that matters here. There’s far too much to ignore. Yet government health authorities are, it seems, more than happy to do so.”
Most scientists who fully support and encourage vaccines also acknowledge they are not 100% perfect, and continue to develop new vaccines and look to improve upon the wonderful vaccines already in existence.
Thanks for pointing that out Ione.
Go away Joe. You’re devolving into a copy pasta troll.
Go away, Ms. Phelps-Roper…you’ve devolved into a vapid, arrogant pseudo-nurse.
It is a common failing, people will just have to put up with the usual antivax MO.
Oh, and cyberstalking trolls as well.
The paradox of someone discussing disabilities in children calling another commenter “moron” did not go unnoticed, ccdaddy
you really know nothing about vaccines and that’s why you have to resort to personal name calling
Nope just calling what I see. a moron is a person who tries and claim measles kills no one. A moron is someone trying to convince others to be a danger to themselves and others. Please look up herd immunity maybe you can learn something though I know the bubble is thick.
Herd Immunity is utter nonsense promoted by gov’t health workers and uneducated doctors on vaccines.I’ve been studying vaccines for 15 years. You are the one that needs to stop believing everything the gov’t tells you and do your own educating
Maurine received a doctorate from the school of duh…
That would be Google U or Hamburger U.
Is that where you got yours, too?
You’ve been “studying vaccines for fifteen years”? Where did you get your degree in any medical science, your professional license in any heath care field and your work experience in any health care facility, Maurine?
When are you going to understand that people can study in all sorts of areas without having a degree in any medical science. And even if a person does have a degree in any medical science, that is not evidence that they know anything. Take yourself, for example. You only have a BSN but you clearly know nothing about the immune system.
Your comment is typical of the way you attack a person and not their argument. Yet, when there is a collection of people with advanced degrees in medical sciences who write to point out the deficiencies in vaccines, you attack them too. You scorn the International Medical Council on Vaccination but you believe any yahoo who writes on the skeptor’s blog. You really are something else again.
I see little evidence any of the antivaxers here know anything about the immune system, other than a grade 6 biological concept, and a string of misconceptions picked up by reading antivaccine websites.
Ah, here is Sir Michael de tous savoir, riding in on his white charger, sword ready, visor down, ready to rescue a damsel in distress, the Lady Lily, who can only defend herself by spewing hatred.
The United Brethren of Shills (otherwise known as BSers) have once again proved their loyalty. Wait for the next episode of this exciting drama.
However, measles eradication is unlikely as population immunity of 96–98% is required to prevent persisting measles endemicity [7,8,27,201]. In a recent study of measles-vaccine efficacy from 1960 to 2010, median efficacy was only 94% [28]. While the current measles vaccine used in the USA and many other countries is safe and effective, paradoxically in the unique case of measles, it appears to insufficiently induce herd immunity in the population. This relates to a combination of factors including: higher than observed rates of primary and secondary vaccine failure in clinical practice versus that seen in clinical trials..https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic…
Linking an article that doesn’t exist. Real smart anti vaxxer.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3570049/
My bad..the link is
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3570049/
So, you’re willing to provide links to citations of articles written by respected researchers…when it suits you. Otherwise you claim that these researchers are in the pockets of “Big Pharma”
Nice try Ione Murphy. Those customized vaccines use HLA subtypes are years and years away from development…if ever.
In the meantime we have major measles outbreaks with a very safe and very effective MMR II vaccine to protect against/prevent measles, mumps and rubella and to contain, then stop, measles outbreaks.
No, what is your bad is that you only gave a partial quote from the article, to make it look like vaccine failure is the reason there are cases of measles.
In fact the authors say that was not the primary reason, and detail all the other factors too:
I have bolded the bit you deliberately omitted.
This is at least the second time you have done this since I first corrected you.
Why are you deliberately trying to mislead people, Ione?
And, are you claiming you know anything about vaccines, Maurine?
Your science degree is from Google U….hardly a top tier education.
Oh, the hypocrisy
Quite appropriate to question the knowledge of antivaxers, when they criticise every bit of evidence posted by others.
Perhaps Lie lady will have a word for it?
Let’s see….
Regarding those infected at Disneyland, the overwhelming majority were not vaccinated, as the editorial (and many news articles) notes.
If a program, is rotten to the very core with corruption, caring not for the recipients they took an oath to protect. How dare any government,ever demand full compliance.
If the children of the US, were not being injected with IQ lowering neural-toxins and heavy metals, how much more intelligent and healthy would they be?? That answer is,Very.
Wonderful group of strawmen you’ve erected.
Some genuine facts folow.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/toxic-myths-about-vaccines/
That totally depends on where you get the information rom. CDC would say more were unvaccinated but groups independent to the gov’t would come out with more being vaccinated. If you believe everything the gov’t says then you can vaccinate yourself and your kids until the cows come home. Some of us disagree and we have freedom of choice.to choose not to believe the vaccines are safe.
One wonders where you get _your_ information.
Here’s a good source on vaccine junk science.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/toxic-myths-about-vaccines/
Of course you get to choose what you want to believe, but as the editorial notes, there are consequences. disney shows us those consequences.
No, there’s a Phama funded source. How would Sciencebasedmedicine Bla Bla feel about DR William Thompsons ( CDC whistle blowers) boss asking a CDC employee to lie? How would they feel about him saying ” the higher up’s wanted to do certain things, an I went along with them ”
Would this science publication, have a problem
with his assessment of their handling the autism epidemic? “We’ve missed ten years of research because the CDC is so paralyzed right now by anything related to autism. They’re not doing what they should be doing because they’re afraid to look for things that might be associated.” He asserts, that the CDC has put the research 10 yr’s behind, for a lack (he said) of transparency.
“Oh! my God, I cannot believe we did what we did,but we did,it’s all in there” The thousands of CDC documents, that he the CDC WB brought with him. (given to a Congressman) To prove, their complete and utter failure, to stop this raging epidemic.
Here is a little more, of his total annihilation of the CDC’s credibility. (Some may be duplicated)
Here is their latest problem, according to one
of their own. He’s a 13 plus yr. CDC employee. An employee, that could no longer live with the guilt of lying about the vaccine autism link. His words ” I have great shame” He said, I have great shame now, when I meet family’s, with kids with autism. Because, I have been part of the problem. “Oh! my God, I cannot believe we did what we did,but we did,it’s all in there”. He said, “the higher ups wanted to do certain things, and I went along with it.” He’s talking about, his committing CDC orchestrated fraud! This is the human sewage, that you Idiots, are choosing to defend! Blaming the parents,for their own mistake. An honest mistake in the beginning, that led to lie after lie,thus causing an honest mistake to spiral out of control. The escalation, was fueled by their fear of losing the parents confidence in their precious vaccine program. A fear, that has led to 100’s of thousands of children’s suffering. The loss, of would have been in the beginning, a generation of children. It has now grown out of control, out of self preservation, (a need to be right at all cost) The Pride Arrogance and Greed, has now led to many more generations that are being lost. Getting the Main Stream Media to attack the parents, all the while knowing. That they, the CDC through an out of control vaccine program, has created this nightmare of the brain damage. That we now know, as autism. By their foolishly injecting, [heavy metals fetal tissue and toxins], into the baby’s and children.
At this point,they(the CDC) are totally spinning out of control, their absolutely Sick!
They appear to have no integrity, or moral compass left. NONE! It’s become, like killing someone,the first they say is the hardest. After that, a callus forms, and the conscience has been seared. The killing (the children’s suffering),it now becomes more easy to except.
They convince themselves,and others, that it’s necessary. After all, it’s all been done, for the greater good. They call it, in their corrupt little circles. Lambs being sacrificed, for the to save the herd. I have an idea, how about paying for the Lambs you have already sacrificed.
More, truth to come.
Never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
No more “truth to come” from William Thompson who was the dupe of Brian Hooker and Andrew Wakefield. Hooker’s published reanalysis of the 2004 De Stefano, et al study was roundly condemned by the science community, The original study was a case control study, yet Hooker formulated a cohort study where he tortured the data and made major sloppy statistical mistakes. Within weeks Hooker’s publisher fully retracted Hooker’s study…making it a deader than dead study.
BTW, if Thompson handed over CDC documents to Hooker, he’s toast with the CDC and will not have a chance to claim Whistleblower status.
Now will you please go away Joe? Your posts are annoying, are filled with your drivel and are indecipherable.
It appears your wrong, the CDC whistle Blower has been granted total immunity, if he testifies before Congress.
You have 2 Merck employees, that a judge says can sue Merck for Fraud. Seems according to them, Merck knew for a very long time that the mumps portion of the MMR was worthless. It appears by the Merck WB,they were cheating to get the 95 % success rate. They clearly have identified it, as fraud.
Poul Thorsen author of the Denmark studies, has been indicted on 22 cts of fraud.
Good company you keep, lilady.
And as far as my son not getting his deserved vaccine injury compensation, we did not use Autism as a table injury. In-fact he did not get an autism DX until several years after he was denied his NVICP compensation.
You seem full of Glee, knowing a family was turned down for vaccine injury. That appears to be amazingly cruel, on
your behalf.
My sons neurologist, said that he had suffered an encephalopathy of unknown etiology.
What was unknown????? At the injection site, was a red hot knot, the size of half a Nerf foot ball. It covered, from his knee to his hip one consecutive knot. It was so hot, it could burn you if you touched it. We called our Ped, he said that was just a local reaction, at 27 months it looked like a leg sitting on my sons leg that how big it was. He was running a fever, the next day is when he suffered the 3 mini seizures.
Within days to weeks, the speech was going. Within months, his speech was all but gone. He started chewing like a rat (Pica) and sniffing like a rat immediately. He started flapping his arms, and running wild.
Autism, maybe not. Brain damage caused by vaccines at 27 months. Absolutely.
GM made (and covered up) a faulty ignition switch and they are getting sued and fined.
Antivaxer conclusion: cars don’t work. Back to horse-and-buggy. 19th century public health, meet 19th century transportation.
What an idiot…he’s already claimed and has been granted whistleblower status, and he still works for the CDC.
The groups which are unaffiliated with the CDC (and the local health departments) “say one thing” but you got information from crank anti-vaccine sites like Age of Autism?
Everything you have stated about Mr. Wakefield’s “innocence”, the properties of the measles wild strain and vaccine strain virus is dead wrong.
Why not divorce yourself from your crank blogging pals at Age of Autism and learn some basic science?
Not only has Mr. Wakefield had a profound negative effect on the United States Public Health program, Mr. Wakefield caused the 2011 large measles outbreak in Minneapolis. He met secretly with Somali-American parents to dissuade them from getting their children vaccinated against measles. One of those parents took her deliberately non vaccinated child to Africa where the child was exposed and infected with measles. That child, the index case, returned to Minneapolis and was responsible for secondary and tertiary transmission of measles to other deliberately non vaccinated Somali American children and babies too young to have received MMR vaccines.
For the umpteenth time Maurine, the live attenuated measles strain in the MMR vaccine DOES NOT SHED.
YES IT DOES
In this report we describe a case of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine-associated measles illness that was positive by both PCR and IgM, five weeks after administration of the MMR vaccine. Based on our literature review, we believe this is the first such case report which has implications for both public health follow-up of measles cases and vaccine safety surveillance.
Source:
Murti M, Krajden M, Petric M, Hiebert J, Hemming F, Hefford B, Bigham M, Van Buynder P. Case of vaccine-associated measles five weeks post-immunisation, British Columbia, Canada, October 2013. Euro Surveill. 2013;18(49):pii=20649. Available online: https://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=20649
In 2012, Pediatric Child Health published a report describing a healthy 15-month old child in Canada, who developed irritability, fever, cough, conjunctivitis and rash within seven days of an MMR shot.[2] Blood, urine and throat swab tests were positive for vaccine strain measles virus infection 12 days after vaccination.
Nestibo L, Lee BE, Fonesca K et al. Differentiating the wild from the attenuated during a measles outbreak. Paediatr Child Health Apr. 2012; 17(4).
And there are others.
I should clarify what we are talking about here.
“Shedding” is the scenario when vaccine strain virus is detectable in the respiratory tract of a recently vaccinated individual. Shedding is not merely “someone getting ill from the vaccine virus” which is what you seem to think it is.
The second case of your citations would meet that criterion. There have been no reported cases of onward transmission of shed virus, or certainly not any that went on to cause illness in a secondary contact.
Kids who died from measles tend not to post on Facebook.
Nobody has died from the measles in this country in the last decade(check the facts. But 108 childen have died following the MMR vaccine.
Yes! Isn’t it great that the MMR saved so many lives?
Before the vaccine 400-450 kids died of measles a year (plus some more from mumps and rubella). Now, even taking your number—which is too high, because it includes deaths after but unrelated to the vaccine—it is 11.
Explain for us again: why is trading 450 cases of deaths from wild diseases for 11 vaccine-related deaths a bad deal?
No Perry-Vaccinated ppl shed the disease infecting others! Get edu on Vaccines!!!
Funny, there has never been a case of someone shedding vaccine strain virus which infected and caused clinical disease in another person.
There has been just the one outbreak where the index case was someone with secondary vaccine failure, but that was the only recorded documented case in the medical literature.
Get yourself educated, Christina.
You’re asking for Christina to understand primary and secondary vaccine failure, Mike Stevens?
Lie Lie Lie, is that your job as a shill mike. Lying for a living, isn’t your mama proud.
OK, can you cite the publication which demonstrates that there have been cases of this happen?
I’ve got my “edu on Vaccines!!! Time now for you to use your Google Fu to find reliable websites to get some basic “edu on Vaccines!!!
‘No reputable researcher hasn’t worked to debunk the lie that vaccines cause autism.’
Of course we won’t mention CDC’s whistleblower Thompson. That’s another story. (Gawd that guy grieves me!)
In the old days, one had to have an IQ greater than a cabbage to become an editor.
Editors with cabbage IQ’s, don’t ask questions.
so you never edited?
Here is the (CDC’s DR. William Thompson’s) own words, pertaining to the CDC’s ability to stop, or even slow this raging epidemic. He’s so sure they cannot, that he said ” really what we need is, you know for Congress,is to come in and you know, say give us the data! and were going to have a independent contractor do it, and bring in the autism advocates and have them intimately involved in the studies ”
That’s as close to a total loss of confidence, as I have ever heard.
Here is a little back ground on the fraud coming from Denmark.
It funny, how they are presenting a Denmark study as being viable. Here is the last Denmark study,that the Main stream Media, and the CDC and the AAP. Wanted you to never know about. Poul Thorsen the researcher that’s been indicted on 22 ct’s of fraud. Please,tell us why it is that the Denmark researcher, that gave the CDC all of the proof that they needed, to prove injecting Mercury in babies was safe. Why that researcher, has not been extradited to the US. It’s been almost 2 yr’s, since they caught him, and the CDC. That was involved, in that fraudulent scheme, to create epidemiology studies out of thin air. Yet, he has not been brought back to the US???? Reason most likely is, that since they caught him to the point of no denial, leaving him with no defense possible. The fact, that he would serve 230 years for the 22 ct’s of fraud. He Poul, would be singing like a canary. And the CDC house, built on sands of lies, would plummet to the ground!
If we could get, the CDC and the AAP to defend the health of this Nation’s children, the way they defend Big Pharma’s and their own Golden Retirement Parachutes. We would not be competing, with 3rd world Nations, for the sickest and the highest mortality rates.
Their really is something, to that old saying, ” there’s something rotten, in Denmark ” How can you trust, any Denmark studies funded by the CDC? When the grand jury of Atlanta GA, stated this about the indictment of the Denmark researcher Poul. ” he Poul was working with others known and unknown by this grand jury ” on this fraud. So, if Poul was working with other’s in Denmark on this fraud. To hide, from the American people what happened to their children, was it the Denmark researchers that done the latest study??????
Trillions in life long care cost. The APA, put the number per child for Autism at 6 million dollars ea. That’s if, left untreated. More serious cases, are 20 to 50 million ea. They can go to over 100 million dollars, for a very severe cases requiring 2 attendants 24 – 7 for the rest of the vaccine injured child’s life.
Here’s the irony, of this stupidity. The Government, with help from big Pharma, creates vaccines that are supposed to help to increase the parents productivity. They save, a few dollars a child doing that. Then they lose, 6 million dollars per child, by the very same procedure that saved them a few dollars a child.
This Nation, that was founded by geniuses ,is now being run (in the ground) by Idiot’s..
According to an MIT professor, autism will be in 1 in every 2 children by 2025. Her words, 50 % of your children will be Autistic by 2025. She the MIT professor,has given this Nation about 10 yr’s to exist! Does that, really sound like that this should
be our A team, finding the cause of Autism?
Maybe, to a fool.
They appear to be a bit shady, as my daughter would say. No, not shady, corrupt to the very core of their being! There is an incestuous relationship, with a revolving door into the very industry, that they once (regulated) policed. When that door is slammed shut, and there is policy’s in place, that take away the incentive to sell out the public. Then, and only then, will you ever get a handle on health care!
This Nation, needs to go back to the law, that prohibited Pharma from advertising direct to the public. ( In most country’s, that stupidity, it is against the law ) For when the US. started that practice, that’s when the Media, abandoned the American people, for Pharma advertisement dollars. One doe’s not usually, bite the hand, that’s been steadily feeding them for decades.
That number, is in the hundreds of millions in advertising dollars of block buster drug commercials. This Nation’s children, they have been sold out! To the Pharmaceutical Industry.
According to the CDC WB Thompson, he has suggested, that the US. Congress needs to intervene concerning Vaccine safety and Autism. That suggest, that Dr. Thompson has lost his confidence, in their ability to stop or even slow this raging epidemic. With a no confidence vote, from Dr. Thompson. One would really think, that our Congress would take vaccine safety, from someone that has been proven
to be this corrupt & incompetent. That is until you understand, who it is that’s has been investing in pharma for decades. Congressmen Senators and Presidents, all
are heavily invested in these Co’s That means, their Golden Retirement Parachutes
are tied to their understanding of this very corrupt situation.
You do not get a handle on health care, when all your public health officials, are as corrupt as organized crime. Selling out this Nation people, appears to be a favorite pass time for them.
I believe that their is a God, and that God did not create humanity with Genetics, that will eventually turn all children in to top spinners and screaming zombies. I also believe, that the same God that has created us, (humanity) will judge those that have done this great evil (for the greater good) causing children to suffer.
We’ve been waiting for your comments about G-d and your blanket condemnation to hell for those who do not believe your rants.
You never disappoint Joe.
I heard that 150% of kids would have autism by 2030.
I heard that three out of one children would have autism by 2030.
That’s probably closer to the mark!
Last draft, of how US. Congressman Senators and President GW.Bush, conspired
to protect Billionaires billions. While throwing, the vaccine injured American children under the bus, head first. Thus leaving the Tax payers, to pay for all of their vaccine damaged aftermath. In their Congressional circles, they address one another as distinguished gentleman. That could not be farther, from the truth.
Here’s how they win, they rewrite history! Here is the real History, of this modern day Holocaust. It was a plan, devised to take away vaccine injured children’s rights to due process.
This attempt to protect, had a Congressmen Senators and a sitting President. All very busy, jumping through hoops, like trained circus animals. And do keep in mind, that all this was done, for what they say. Never, happened???
This (if they allow it) is the actual story of a Congressionally written document. That was challenging, the President’s decision, to seal the proof (the VSD) that the CDC says proves that their Vaccines are safe and that they do not cause Autism. Why would you seal your proof, that you did not damage my son? And furthermore, why for life? Speaking of for Life, that was the Presidents intent, to seal the the VSD forever! The very data base, that they say proves their point, that they did not harm the children with their vaccines. If President Bush got his way, the VSD would have been sealed away, from the independent researchers and the public forever! Two very firm Congressional letters, sent to the US. President stopped his attempt to seal the VSD forever. That was back, when some Senators and Congressman, had some sort of integrity and actually cared about this Nations children.
American,Children that BTW, they took an oath to protect. How easily, they forget whom they serve. Once in office, it’s all for sale, but only to the highest bidder.
Continued, to the true story, that had Congressmen, Senators and a sitting president doing the will of the Vaccine makers.
More drivel, joe.
More drivel, Ms. Phelps-Roper.
Wow Mr. Perry. You’re so smart. I think Hitler had similar thoughts?
The first court case, United States v. Merck & Co., stems from claims by two former Merck scientists that Merck “fraudulently misled the government and omitted, concealed, and adulterated material information regarding the efficacy of its mumps vaccine in violation of the FCA [False Claims Act].”
According to the whistleblowers’ court documents, Merck’s misconduct was far-ranging: It “failed to disclose that its mumps vaccine was not as effective as Merck represented, (ii) used improper testing techniques, (iii) manipulated testing methodology, (iv) abandoned undesirable test results, (v) falsified test data, (vi) failed to adequately investigate and report the diminished efficacy of its mumps vaccine, (vii) falsely verified that each manufacturing lot of mumps vaccine would be as effective as identified in the labeling, (viii) falsely certified the accuracy of applications filed with the FDA, (ix) falsely certified compliance with the terms of the CDC purchase contract, (x) engaged in the fraud and concealment describe herein for the purpose of illegally monopolizing the U.S. market for mumps vaccine, (xi) mislabeled, misbranded, and falsely certified its mumps vaccine, and (xii) engaged in the other acts described herein to conceal the diminished efficacy of the vaccine the government was purchasing.”
How about waiting for the discovery phase of that lawsuit and the decision, as well before you claim victory?
The comma is unnecessary after the word “decision.” Surely a nurse would know these things.
I note a lack of substantive answer to the point.
To remind you, fact finding has not started yet. And it’s not clear why you think that even if the mumps component of MMR is less effective (and less effective is not worthless) parents should not give their children the available protection against measles, mumps and rubella.
What are the implications of the bad ignition switch GM made and covered up? Do we scrap cars and go back to horse-and-buggy?
Does Dave Perry seem like he is becoming a bit unhinged lately?
maybe he lives to close to a fracking well
MEASLES -Vaccine Study States Vaccine Is Failing, appears to insufficiently induce herd immunity in the population.
Although effective, the current live-attenuated measles vaccines have limitations. Vaccine failure (i.e., the failure for the individual to either mount or sustain a protective immune response) occurs despite the receipt of two doses of vaccine [6–13,201]. Measles elimination has failed primarily due to failure to vaccinate, but also in part due to vaccine failure, allowing the accumulation of susceptible individuals and the occurrence of outbreaks when exposure occurs [9–11,14,15]. As a result, even in highly vaccinated populations, substantial proportions of those infected in an outbreak will have been previously vaccinated [9,12–14,16]… need for research on determinants of measles vaccine response, and the development of improved measles vaccines.
However, measles eradication is unlikely as population immunity of 96–98% is required to prevent persisting measles endemicity [7,8,27,201]. In a recent study of measles-vaccine efficacy from 1960 to 2010, median efficacy was only 94% [28]. While the current measles vaccine used in the USA and many other countries is safe and effective, paradoxically in the unique case of measles, it appears to insufficiently induce herd immunity in the population. This relates to a combination of factors including: higher than observed rates of primary and secondary vaccine failure in clinical practice versus that seen in clinical trials..https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3570049/
MUMPS-
UGA Researcher Developing New Vaccine To Fight Resurging Mumps Virus
The virus is always evolving and mutating, and new viruses will emerge,” He said. “It’s only a matter of time until the old vaccine we have doesn’t work.”
The current vaccine is commonly called the Jeryl Lynn strain and is named after the daughter of inventor Maurice Hilleman. It is based on a specific genotype of the mumps virus called genotype A. However, the 2006 and 2010 mumps outbreaks were caused by another strain, genotype G.
Even more troubling is that most of the people who contracted mumps during the 2006 and 2010 outbreaks had received the recommended two-dose vaccination in their early childhood, meaning that the virus was spreading even among the vaccinated population..https://news.uga.edu/releases/article/resurging-mumps-virus-vaccine-development-061312/
WHOOPING COUGH-CDC admits whooping cough vaccine causing mutation: Rapid Increase in Pertactin-deficient Bordetella pertussis Isolates, Australia
Excerpt): “This pattern is consistent with continuing evolution of B. pertussis in response to vaccine selection pressure
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/20/4/13-1478_article.htm
These adaptations of B. pertussis have decreased the period in which pertussis vaccines are effective and thus enhanced the waning of immunity. We plead for a more integrated approach to the pertussis problem which includes the characteristics of the vaccines, the B. pertussis populations and the interaction between the two…https://journals.cambridge.org/action/…
Vaccinated kids account for 90 percent of child whooping cough cases in Vermont. Patsy Kelso, a DOH epidemiologist, said the vaccination regimen isn’t producing the desired results.“The current thinking is that the pertussis vaccination is just not as effective as we’d like it to be,” she said. “Even if you’re vaccinated, it’s efficacy wanes after a few years. Although no vaccine is perfect, this vaccine is less good than we’d like”..https://vtdigger.org/2012/10/08/90-percent-of-whooping-cough-cases-in-vermont-among-vaccinated-children/
According to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the booster shot to counteract waning immunity for pertussis came out five years ago. Now, there’s concern about how long the booster shot provides protection, because many kids who are up-to-date on immunizations, including the booster shot, still have contracted whooping cough. Public health officials agree on one thing: “We need a better vaccine for pertussis”, CDC spokesman Tom Skinner said. https://m.jsonline.com/news/wis…
An investigation into an outbreak in a high school in a town that was heavily hit by the virus found that more than half of the cases were in teens who had received the recommended two doses of vaccine in childhood — in other words, teens whom authorities would have expected to have been protected from the measles virus.
It’s generally assumed that the measles vaccine, when given in a two-dose schedule in early childhood, should protect against measles infection about 99 per cent of the time. So the discovery that 52 of the 98 teens who caught measles were fully vaccinated came as a shock to the researchers who conducted the investigation. https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/…
Vaccination status is known for 1,115 patients: In this outbreak, as in other recent mumps outbreaks among highly vaccinated populations (3), most cases have occurred in vaccinated persons. The percentage of patients aged >6 years (for whom vaccination status is known) who had received 2 doses of mumps vaccine is highest in Orange County, New York (86%), followed by New York City (83%), New Jersey (76%), and Rockland County, New York (73%). Sixty-five reports of complications from mumps have been received: orchitis (55 cases), pancreatitis (five cases), aseptic meningitis (two cases), transient deafness (one case), Bell’s palsy (one case), and oophoritis (one case). Nineteen hospitalizations from mumps have been reported; no deaths have occurred.
Beginning on January 19, 2010, in Orange County, New York, public health officials began offering a THIRD DOSE of MMR vaccine in three schools where, despite documentation of a high level of 2-dose coverage among students, transmission had continued for >2 months. This intervention is being carried out under an Institutional Review Board–approved protocol that provides for an evaluation of the impact of the intervention.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/previe…
When as much as 50% of measles cases in a community are found in the 3% of individuals who were not vaccinated, you can see that it is a big win for vaccines!
Thanks for pointing that out, Ione.
Five cases of secondary measles vaccine failure and transmission from previous fully vaccinated individuals to other fully vaccinated individuals
In 2011 in NYC a 22 year old woman who had had 2 doses of MMR came down with measles and passed it on to 4 more people who had had their 2 doses or showed past positive IgG antibodies…https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/measles-mary-outbreak-among-vaccinated-patients
Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of Immunity, New York City, 2011…https://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/58/9/1205
The vaccine isn’t 100% perfect.
We already know that Ione.
What is your point in highlighting it?
Maybe we could compare a list of unvaccinated individuals world wide who have caught measles?
If so, it would be a list of around a quarter of a million names.
And notice that the reason this is news it’s because it’s so unusual as to be freakish – usually, transmission is from the unvaccinated.
Nothing is 100% effective – but the measles vaccine is very very effective.
Dave Perry has just entertained us with another moronic rant. Seriously, he’s a clown. Okay, he might have a valid point that vaccinations are a matter of public safety to some degree. It’s even probably wise to get vaccinations for your own protection. What he doesn’t address is the reason that we suddenly need to be more concerned about vaccinations. He can’t, he won’t. Anyone who has watched the news, or at least has a bit of common sense, knows that many of the previously dreaded illnesses are coming from the undeveloped world where much of our illegal immigration comes from. In short, illegal aliens are bringing us more than their desire for work. A liberal like Perry living within his self-idealized utopia can’t bear to imagine that there are consequences for decisions. This is one of the consequences for allowing illegal immigration to proceed.
Undocumented aliens are not the cause of measles outbreaks. Check out the 2008 large measles outbreak in San Diego, which was caused by anti-vaccine pediatrician, Dr. Bob Sears, whose deliberately non-vaccinated young patient traveled with his family to Switzerland where he contracted measles and returned home to expose and infect youngsters in several doctors waiting room and during several trips to a hospital ER.
https://blogs.plos.org/thepanicvirus/2012/03/26/bob-sears-bald-faced-liar-devious-dissembler-or-both/
The disgraced and discredited ex-doctor, Andrew Wakefield, is responsible for the large 2011 measles outbreak in Hennepin County (Minneapolis):
https://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/118547569.html
Notice that I didn’t identify illegal aliens as the only potential source. They are a documented source and I hardly think it’s coincidence that the arrival of this group of people and previously erradicated illnesses coincide. Common sense and reason name this group of people as contributors. They arrive unscreened for all sorts of problems including both health and criminal issues. Denial doesn’t change reality.
According to the WHO, the vaccination rates for all for every childhood vaccine in Mexico and portions of Central America is higher than the rate of vaccinations for the United States:
https://www.vox.com/2015/2/3/7972185/immigrants-measles
Denial doesn’t change reality
This might buoy your spirits..
“Over Three-Fourths of Americans Believe Childhood Vaccinations Should be Mandatory”
“With incidents on the rise for many diseases once considered dangers of the
past, the subject of vaccinations has been a frequent topic of conversation in recent days. In fact, strong majorities of U.S. adults favor childhood vaccinations being mandatory for all children (77%), while seven in ten don’t think unvaccinated children should be allowed to attend either public or private schools (69%). What’s more, nine in ten feel it’s important that children be vaccinated (89%) and believe vaccinations should be provided for free to children whose families cannot afford them (90%). These are some of the results of The Harris Poll® of 2,306 adults surveyed online between July 16 and 21, 2014.
For the most part, Americans appear to support such vaccinations – indicating that they’re an important safeguard against diseases which might be brought into our country from abroad (91%), that they are very effective at preventing diseases (89%) and that non-vaccinated children can represent a public health risk (83%).”
(Source: The Harris Poll, August 26, 2014
https://www.harrisinteractive.com/vault/Harris%20Poll%2082%20-%20Vaccines_8.26.2014.pdf )
What a bunch of crap.
Now, now, eggy, don’t talk about yourself in such a negative way.
It’s hilarious to read his posts here from a year ago and see him drooling out the same exact rant.
Besides being charged with fraud over the mumps vaccine, Merck set aside a fund of $4.85 billion to cover all compensation claims and legal expenses arising out of Vioxx lawsuits. Merck paid $58 million to 30 state governments to settle anti-trust lawsuits that blamed the defendant of following deceptive market practices and providing misleading information on Vioxx side effects. According to Congressional testimony about Vioxx from drug safety experts, Vioxx alone killed more Americans than the entire Vietnam War. Over 60,000 Americans died. Other Merck lawsuits for failing to disclose safety information-Fosamax, Zocor, Propecia, and Nuva-ring. Merck joins Pfizer, GSK and other major drug companies in settling long investigations with prosecutors.
In The United States Senate Committee on Finance. Sen. Grassley’s floor statement regarding the intimidation of scientists in drug-safety deliberations.; I convened a hearing on the worldwide withdrawal of Vioxx, a blockbuster pain medication. That hearing turned the spotlight on systemic problems at the Food and Drug Administration. We found that the FDA maintained a cozy relationship with the drug industry and suppressed scientific dissent regarding agency actions on drug-safety. At that Vioxx hearing, we also heard about Merck using its power, influence, and access to try and discredit FDA safety expert, Dr. David Graham.
Merck also tried to intimidate Stanford researcher Dr. Gurkirpal Singh. The company warned him to stop asking for more safety data on Vioxx, despite the fact he was one of their consultants. What is troubling is that three years later, I am here to talk about another case where pharmaceutical executives used power, influence, and access to intimidate a medical researcher.
In essence, another company wanted to put an end to another scientist who was voicing concerns about the cardiovascular risks associated with a drug. In this case, we are talking about the diabetes drug, Avandia. We are releasing a staff report showing how executives at GlaxoSmithKline intimidated Dr. John Buse, a medical researcher at the University of North Carolina. Together, our respective staffs reviewed documents provided by the company and others, and they found bothersome internal emails that reveal how these pharmaceutical executives think.In these emails, high level company officials discussed the possibility of threats against Dr. Buse.
What I am here to say today, is that attacks on medical researchers by the pharmaceutical industry must stop. And stop now.
Until this practice ends, I want to let America’s scientists know that I am very interested in their concerns. Scientists should feel free to contact my office if a pharmaceutical company threatens their career or attacks their reputation when they raise the alarm about a possibly dangerous drug. They can also anonymously provide information and documents by mail or by fax to the Committee.
Here’s the fax number: 202-228-2131.
GSK alone, has been convicted multiple times in courtrooms around the world of multibillion dollar bribery scandals and found guilty of and otherwise engaged in other immense improprieties
Yet these companies are still in business – a business that includes producing the very vaccines that people want to force others to receive and penalize them for refusing. Why would any rational human being allow their children to be injected by something produced by such corporations -corporations literally convicted of criminality, fraud, and bribery?
The debate isn’t ultimately about the science of vaccines, but rather a lack of trust of those charged with producing, monitoring the safety of, and distributing vaccines. The false narrative of science versus conspiracy theorists is peddled by the media, the government, and the corporations that hold influence over both because a narrative focusing on the wisdom of entrusting criminals with our children’s health is an open and shut case.
Ione, I asked before, and I don’t recall your answer. General Motors has been sued and also fined over a faulty ignition switch that they both manufactured, and then covered up. What are the implications of GM’s fraud for the automotive industry as a whole?
To be consistent, you should be calling for a return to horse-and-buggy days! 19th century transportation, meet 19th century public health! Why, you can even point to the Amish! (Although, as it happens, the idea Amish don’t vaccinate and that Amish don’t have autistic children is a romantic fantasy of an incompetent journalist, on both counts.)
GSK Statement of Apology to the People of China
September 19, 2014 10:13 BST
“Following a comprehensive investigation by the Chinese judicial authorities, GSK China Investment Co. Ltd (GSKCI) has been identified according to Chinese law to have offered money or property to non-government personnel in order to obtain improper commercial gains, and has been found guilty of bribing non-government personnel.
GSK plc fully accepts the facts and evidence of the investigation, and the verdict of the Chinese judicial authorities. Furthermore, GSK plc sincerely apologises to the Chinese patients, doctors and hospitals, and to the Chinese Government and the Chinese people. GSK plc deeply regrets the damage caused. GSK plc also apologises for the harm caused to individuals who were illegally investigated by GSKCI.
“GSK plc sincerely apologises to the Chinese patients, doctors and hospitals, and to the Chinese Government and the Chinese people.”
– GSK
The illegal activities of GSKCI are a clear breach of GSK plc’s governance and compliance procedures; and are wholly contrary to the values and standards we expect from our employees. It is deeply disappointing that these issues were not identified and addressed.
GSK plc has reflected deeply and learned from its mistakes, has taken steps to comprehensively rectify the issues identified at the operations of GSKCI, and must work hard to regain the trust of the Chinese people.
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gsk-statement-apology-people-china-full-text-1466238
This author must be some special sort of person. Fascism is what he wants. Forcing people to do something is fascism, and demanding no public access is the height of state control tactics. Personal rights have no place in his mind, apparently.
Make up your minds, vaccine pushers; are they effective, or not? If they are, then those who don’t vaccinate risk only themselves, and it’s their business. If they aren’t, why require them Fact is, a lot more than 5% of people vaccinated have caught the disease the vaccine was supposed to stop. The health risks are also very real, and no myth, as the article claims.
This is the most stupid article that I have read about vaccines.
All of my cousins , my sister and I had all those stupid little illnesses that the “chicken little people “, induced by prostituted propaganda idiots, so much fear. Yes we had measles, chickenpox, you name lt. That was because we were junk food eaters. I raised my children on health food and they never got sick of anything. That is, until some idiot took them to get vaccinated behind my back. Because of that, one of my children went into a coma with a terminal illness that we can call ” vaccinia” . He survived, but his personality changed completely; whereas before he was a very sociable kid, afterwards he became antisocial with mental problems. What happened to my kid is indicative of brain damage caused by vaccines.
The only time that anyone in my family has suffered a terminal disease has been after vaccinations. In my family we never believed in vaccines. So we never had them before. But one day, in school, I believe without any parents’ consent, a team of vaccinators arrived in my elementary school. I was 11 then, and the vaccine produced in me encephalitis. I managed to survive, or my body did, for I was unconscious. But does anyone in their right mind wants to take the chance of permanent paralysis or death from encephalitis with their children. At no other time, did I or anyone in my family went into a terminal illness but after vaccinations. Those stupid little illnesses, measles and all that, are nothing but like a common cold, compared to vaccinia.
Measles, or chicken pox, was just a little itching on the skin.
How stupid this writer is–and morally corrupt. Jim Carrey, that is the man and genius, too. All anti-vaccine people are superior to the pro-vaccine in intelligence.
Although we are a minority, it must be remembered that it took only about 16% of the colonists, that we now call “the founding fathers”, to declare the war against England. Then all the other stupid people had to follow. That is also the necessary outcome with VACCINES , what I call junk medicine and other junk industries ( like junk agriculture) in this United States, that are only creating people with disabilities. So much disability, created by so much junk, is going to bring this country down, if not stopped.
Dave –
I’ve read this editorial, and the kinder, gentler version you wrote a few weeks ago.
This one is better.
Your friend,
– John