Nothing says summertime in Aurora like tykes on bikes, toddlers running through sprinklers, or kids walking down the street with a loaded 12-gauge shotgun strapped to their backs.
Yeah, sorry to tell you, folks, but getting your guns on and parading around town because you can is, sadly, a thing now.
Last week, 18-year-old Steve Lohner loaded his shotgun, pulled it over his shoulder and went for one of his regular police-baiting strolls for cigarettes, getting lots of attention from motorists along South Buckley Road and East Iliff Avenue, where he was walking. As you would expect, and actually, as you would hope for, lots of passing motorists called 9-1-1 to say there appeared to be a kid carrying a 12-gauge shotgun walking along the street. Better hurry. Kids and shotguns in Colorado have had a way of ending up badly in years past.
It’s not the first time Lohner’s done it, police said. I doubt it will be the last. He listens to a police scanner and video-records his encounters with police, he told Aurora Sentinel reporter Brandon Johansson. Last week, he posted the video of his encounter with Aurora Police to YouTube and a link to that video on the Aurora Police Facebook page. The video depicts two pretty good-natured cops asking what he was doing carrying a 12-gauge shotgun in town. This gave Lohner the opportunity to recite corny, rote lines about his constitutional right to “open carry” and how asking questions about who he was and what he’s doing are violations of all kinds of inalienable rights, and he carried a loaded 12-gauge shotgun for protection. From what? Rodan?
The cops in Aurora and across the country are getting used to this scheme by ammo-activists. They parade into and across public places that freaks people out, and when cops come, they record everything while they play the part of patriotic, gun-toting pacifists. It’s creepy. It’s just stupid. It’s a problem because it ties up police. When dispatchers say, “dude with a gun on a busy street, packed mall sidewalk or a strategic bridge,” rest assured cops will come fast, and there will be more than one. Youtube is chock-full of these whack-a-dudes, who clearly like the idea of scaring the hell out of people and then figuratively flipping the finger at all of us as they walk away with their gats. And you know what you can do about it? Not a damned thing. That’s why they do it. These people want to rub in your face our gun laws that are so backward that anyone can wander around just about anywhere carrying a loaded shotgun or semi-automatic shooter any time they damned well please. They prey on the fact that even the most ardent gun enthusiasts don’t flaunt their pieces all the time just because they can, so they will.
Now these guns-ibitionists say they do it to help educate Americans that good guys wear guns, too, and that it’s legal, and that they can help protect y’all because the police just take too long to save you from Aurora’s hordes of marauding pirates. There are no laws in Colorado about kids carrying shotguns or rifles. “A 10-year-old could walk down the street with a rifle, there is no law (against it),” said Danielle Thompson, a spokeswoman for Rocky Mountain Gun Owners. It’s going to happen. If this is starting to make your head spin, just wait. This special breed of whacktivist is congealing on YouTube and other websites, where they encourage and incite each other to get out there with the biggest, baddest, stupidest guns ever in the most controversial places they can find and share it with the world. A few members of this growing gun cult from Michigan have written a children’s book called, “My Parents Open Carry.” It’s a sinister, moronic attempt at propaganda, telling people that strapping on a heater before you head out for groceries is as responsible and practical as making sure your seat belt is buckled.
I’m not OK with this because people who get satisfaction from showing off their hog legs are the very people who shouldn’t be doing it. Since state lawmakers are increasingly cowardly about gun control laws in light of political extortion ploys by gun-rights extremists, our only hope is to enact meaningful laws keeping guns away from mentally unhealthy people. Problem solved.
Reach editor Dave Perry at 303-750-7555 or dperry@aurorasentinel.com
The young man is screaming for psychiatric help. I hope his parents (and friends) are listening.
makes you wonder why the parents weren’t intereviewed….yeah, I know he’s 18….bet he still lives at home though…..OR……maybe they told him to take his guns elsewhere…hummmmmm
Really? You think they kicked him out because he exercises an adult right and responsibility?
Interviewed by who?The press or police? No dead bodies so the press could care less.Police?What laws did he break?None.
Really? How’s that?
I agree Dave Perry is clearly out of his mind and very, very mentally unfit.
You are the crazy one. Paranoid delusion perhaps?
I think this hits the nail on the head..it is creepy, and down right insensitive. How is the average person supposed to tell between the person open carrying within their rights, and the next theater shooting? Images like this aren’t American or Patriotic..the only time you see this stuff is in war torn areas. I have seen open carry people expressing their rights with your average size gun..the rifles and “big guns” are just plain provocative and fear inducing.
I fully support responsible gun ownership, and I have nothing against people owning or using them in a responsible manner. All this does is make the pro-gun folks look like a bunch of crazed militant lunatics..which leaves those who believe in responsible ownership (and teaching their kids the same) lopped in with these idiots. They are doing more to hurt the case for gun ownership than any other factor in my opinion.
And you bet I’d call the police if I saw it..who in their right mind would ignore it and then want to sleep at night if it *were* another massacre.
we be there together again lady! (the soap man!)
The person who is carrying within their rights is not trying to shoot you. The person who is out to shoot you will not be stopped by someone without a gun, but by someone who is carrying within their rights. When you disarm the person carrying within their rights, you also disarm the person who might protect you when someone tries to harm you.
You cannot reduce crime by disarming the victim.
And I can’t, honestly, believe that you were able to read this ton of hogwash.
I tend to read both sides on a lot of issues…there is much I thought was hogwash and slanted in the article, but as a thinking person it pays to..well..think. If ideas and beliefs are so fragile that simply reading an opposing view would change how I fundamentally feel about an issue, perhaps my belief was flawed in the first place and needs to be adjusted.
“I fully support responsible gun ownership”as long as they are average size? In other words you support hunting once or twice a year or plinking cans with a .22. As long as it’s not to big. So if you saw someone carrying a side arm you wouldn’t call 911?
No, I wouldn’t call 911 over a side arm, open carry or not. The likelihood of mass shootings is limited. I am not against open carry of large weapons using common sense and the right time and place. What exactly is the benefit of carrying a large weapon in the city?
“How is the average person supposed to tell between the person open carrying within their rights, and the next theater shooting?”
This is why knowing how to survive and fight are critical life skills. Awareness and perception are part of these skills–skills many people seem to lack. Understanding the body language of an impending fight is part of awareness. Unfortunately, most people have no idea how to defend themselves and awareness is the first skill they lack.
The open carry of a pistol is far safer than a long gun when going about personal activities. There are legitimate reasons for long gun open carry, but I only OC long guns in an emergency situation, while hunting, or going and from the range. Long gun carry may be the only legal open carry option, such as in Texas.
I agree with you on people learning survival and critical life skills. And I definitely agree that open carrying a pistol is far safer. Your reasons for open carrying a long gun make sense to me..it does not make sense to me to open carry a long gun in the city “just because it’s my right” as others have voiced. The 2nd amendment is being hotly challenged on both sides. For those who want to severely restrict or eliminate firearms, the open carry of long guns in grocery stores and coffee shops is still (in my opinion) doing the anti gun folks a huge favor in shifting the belief that guns require more and heavier restriction. People are swayed by fear, until they have knowledge. Demonstrating responsible use, education awareness about the perceived benefits (from hunting to self protection) would go a lot further (again..my opinion) than someone scaring kids over a latte by walking in guns a blazin’ so to speak.
“How is the average person supposed to tell between the person open carrying within their rights, and the next theater shooting? ”
The gun would be pointed at you. Moron.
Then there’s always that one guy that has to resort to name calling. Congrats man, I bet you feel all nice and smug. Doubt you even *actually* read what I wrote…you were too excited about typing out your trollish name calling response on a public forum. Go you…
I read your comment. It was moronic.
From the responses, it doesn’t appear most of you actually *read* what I wrote. I am not anti gun, nor am I anti open carry. I am very pro common sense.
I can exercise a lot of rights and be protected by law, common sense tells me there is a time and a place for it. The anti gun groups are salivating over the right situation to point a finger and scream to get laws changed once someone “protecting other people/their rights/or whatever” causes enough damage…or the next person ganked out on psych meds opens fire in public and kills people. I have been around plenty of people open carrying (visit any sporting goods store..) It doesn’t bother me a single bit *within reason*. Open carrying large or assault style guns is going to take away those rights as soon as someone screws it up for everyone.
Hand guns in public for perceived self protection..fantastic..but the only thing hunting and assault rifles are for is doing a large amount of damage as quickly as possible. Time and place. I have yet to see anyone hunting deer in the city streets, or a line at Starbucks that was so unruly and threatening as to require the use of a semi…must be my rose colored glasses or something.
Perry makes some points but attempts to sneak in some cosmic jumps for the anti-gun crowd. I guess I missed the PHD in Psychology by his name too. Naturally, psychology is an inexact science, so he may have such a degree.
Oh, he used it. When you use your degree to hurt people isntead of thelp then, then you put yourself in company with Hitler, Mangela, and others who “helped people by protecting them from themselves.”
I read about 1/2 of a sentence and found that the writer wants to rename people to suit his prejudice.
That is what people do when they need to demonize someone or a group, they rename them. You wouldn’t be willing to talk pottymouth about your old high school professor, Mister Roberts, or your former principal who also taught you World History, or badmouth your neighbor down the street, the one that’s just a little crazy because he volunteered for Viet Nam… but if you roll them all into one, and label them “Tea Party Nutjobs,” then it becomes easy. Dehumanize them by giving it a name that lets you ignore that you’re hurting people you know.
Writer, why not look at the facts instead of going all stupid on everyone and just calling them names. I don’t know you, and probably wouldn’t like you if I did – I tend to stay away from bigots – but you can do better, if you try.
Colorado’s hoplophobic journalists aim to scare their way into getting attention and take away your constitutional rights.
Perry, I fixed your headline to make it more accurate. You want to talk creepy? Lets talk about folks like yourself who want to disarm honest citizens who have broken no laws. Since when is the constitution corny or rote?
A person feeling the need to prance around an urban city street has no business possessing a firearm. His action’s are irresponsible and dumb. We don’t need Tools walking up and down with shotguns and rifles.
That clown is either going to get hurt or hurt someone. Does he even know what a spray pattern is? Real smart touting around a shotgun in the City. So, if he’s bullied is he planning on killing people?
Either go concealed or at least a holstered handgun.
Typical. I suppose you think guns randomly ‘go off’? Are shotguns randomly more lethal than pistols? Well, I guess you would think so since your gun education likely came from Hollywood.
Do you understand using a shotgun in an urban setting offers more risks i.e. Spray pattern.
Watching him handle the weapon for the news crew told it all- not good.
Did he have a round in the chamber? Was it slugs, buckshot, or birdshot? Slugs are just big bullets. Birdshot isn’t lethal past 5ft. Buckshot has a very narrow pattern out to 50 yards or so, and then its lethality drops quite a bit. Do you oppose police using shotguns? Because, for urban environments, that just happens to be their weapon of choice.
Who knows what that young’n was or wasn’t doing. I’d hope he would know what type of rounds he’s loading, but that’s probably unlikely. I assumed the default: buckshot. I know what a slug is.
I’m well versed with shotguns. The pattern varies greatly from gun to gun and with just the brands/loads of ammo. If you’re on line, everyone firing, they’re are wingers all the time.
I don’t oppose police use of shotguns, but they are well trained and understand the risks in an urban environment they train. And you’re wrong about the weapon of choice in an urban situation.
I can’t fix errors above as the text box wouldn’t let me back in.
That’s right, actually, we don’t know. However, you feel utterly confident that he was as clueless about his weapon as he was the shells he had. I watched the video, and I can tell you he had better control over his weapon than the ever-enlightened Diane Feinstein did parading rifles in front of congress and sweeping the entire room with the barrel as her delicate finger caressed the trigger…
No kidding? I had no idea there was anything called ‘choke’ or variables within lots of ammunition of the same brand. As with all gun owners, I studiously avoid learning anything about the gun I’m carrying or pursuing training of any kind whatsoever. I lied to my county about getting the legally required amount of training. Can you believe they don’t even care about that sort of thing? /sarcasm (I feel obligated to point that out, just in case you started believing me…).
Really? So police are always better trained? Then, riddle me this, why do they have to offer incentives to get police to the practice ranges? I remember reading an article during the ammo crunch of a police chief saying that the was decreasing the amount of ammunition used during their quarterly rifle training (not decreasing the frequency of training, which was a good idea). I was shocked, because I realized since I shoot my rifles at least once a month, that I’m more skilled in the operation of my firearm than the officers of that department. Firearms are an officer’s business, and with anything pertaining to work, you can easily become complacent about your skill development.
Oh yeah? Look in any patrol car’s trunk and I’d bet you 6-7 times out of 10, you’d find a trusty 12 gauge.
Ok…. I’m going to dumb this down for you and then I’m done with this subject as you and the rest of the odd posters don’t get it and never will.
Número Uno, especially being a city that went thru an active shooter experience, it’s not only irresponsible what that young’n did and continues to do, but it’s stupid and reckless, especially considering what occurred at a certain theater. I’m sorry, but walks down an urban street with a shotgun is concerning- maybe legal, but concerning- and stupid. What happens when an armed citizen drives by him, sees him approaching a bus stop, pedestrians, or a business and infers something bad is about to happen. (Or, even an off duty officer or another (Tool). That’s not unlikely and it’s not far fetched. He or she draws down on the teenage……… what happens next? Does Mr. Shotgun Walker stand down or does he envision he’s being “bullied,” and decides to try his Tombstone Courage? People ate going to get unnecessarily hurt or killed.
Again, it’s not normal for a person to be doing what he’s doing. Ask the 911 call takers. Now, if any person believes that a police officer (on or off duty) does not have a legal and tactical right to drawdown on him they’re wrong. Any liberal court will back that officer’s actions , even if it resulted in use of deadly force (in the event our special forces kiddo decides to go out blazing).
Now….. Not every police officer is better trained than every single regular gun enthusiast or civil professional; however, in the vast, vast majority of circumstance they are. Police officers are soldiers, lawyers, judges, social workers, teachers, family counselors, and tacticians all rolled in one. They are also marksmen/women. Unlike attorneys who specialize in a tiny specialty, police officers are expected to be specialist in civil law, criminal law, municipal law, constitutional law, family law, etc.
You’re dead wrong on the spread of buckshot…… The pattern spreads about one inch for every yard. Police are not taught to utilize that a buckshot round even near 50 yards. The individual rounds would be all over the place and innocent people would get hurt.
The shotgun is not the weapon of choice- it’s almost obsolete in police work. In most tactical situations, a patrol officer deploys his or her rifle. As far as you requesting me to look at patrol vehicle trunks for a shotgun (or mounted inside), in some cases they’re there and many times not- not checked out.
It’s highly doubtful, but possible, you’re better trained in use of a rifle. Shooting a gun once a month or 30 times a month doesn’t infer you’re better trained. Are you trained in moving, stove pipes, doubles feeds, tac reloads, combat reloads, transition, firing on the move, firing with shields, firing at night, firing with a gas mark, etc…….? Are you trained in proper deployment and understand that you own each bullet you fire?
As you said, “Buckshot has a very narrow pattern out to 50 yards or so…..,” my response to you is that you clearly don’t know what your talking about.
This is Paul Harvey………. Good Day!
Yeah, you have a good time in your fantasy land of what-if. All I’m going to say, is that if anyone, police or civilian, had shot/killed him simply for legally carrying a shotgun, they’d have been charged with murder or felony manslaughter.
So I picked a poor number, but while it may spread out to 50″, it also loses most of its lethality. And no, it’s not ‘obsolete’, and a quick Wikipedia search counters your point. Shotguns are much more versatile, especially if you need to fire something non-lethal at those pesky protesters.
If you’ve fired as much Tulammo as I have, then you’re well-skilled in dealing with malfunctions of all types. You’re joking about training with an AR/shield combo, right? I’d like to see anyone handle an 8-lb rifle with one hand. Otherwise, no, I haven’t ever trained with a shield. Too expensive and the darn things won’t fit in my trunk. Isn’t that more like SWAT training anyhow?
What?! You mean I can’t just shoot randomly and blame the bullets on someone else?! Oh, how the NRA lied to me! That was sarcasm too, by the way.
Have to slightly disagree with part of that. “Police are well trained and understand”. I believe that, and guess you do too. But let them shoot someone, regardless of reason or probable attack against the officer, and mother will tell the world what a wonderful, cheerful, friendly guy her “baby” was, and he was murdered by that terrible policeman, and she cannot find out anything because they erected “wall of blue silence”. But she wants that policeman arrested, and convicted of murder. (I point you to Jefferson, Mo, Trayvon Martin near Miama, Fla, and others where “unarmed son was killed” while walking down the street. Never hurt anyone. Oh Yeah?????
One more comment: Benjamin Crump (attorney from Fla) with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will file suit immediately and hand pick the DA , jury and judge. Can’t make any money, otherwise. And definitely the officer needed much more training, so will sue the chief of police and the city where killing took place.
Ah, yes–express liberty only in approved ways! I guess you did not understand that oath the USMC made you take when you joined up.
Actually, the SCOTUS, only in 2009 (or 2008) affirmed an individual right and it did NOT include carrying outside the home. I get he/we have that right under Colo Law.
I have no issue with lawful carry of guns; however, I don’t agree with open carry. There’s no need to show it off. Just use it when/if it gets to that point.
I’m sorry, but an 18 yo (who looks like he’s 13) is acting irresponsibly and stupidly, especially with what occurred in this community.
He made reference that he carries as he’s been bullied. If a passer by calls him a Tool does he plan to gun them down?
“Actually, the SCOTUS, only in 2009 (or 2008) affirmed an individual right”
Uh not really. See USA v Miller in the 1930s that affirmed the individual right to own possess and carry military weapons and the fact that there were NO federal guns laws prior to 1934. Most early state gun laws were aimed at keeping blacks disarmed. Embrace your heritage.
Yep. Indicating a sawed off shotgun was not relevant to military defense (wrongly tho), therefore not protected.
You must have missed the point that he cannot carry a handgun concealed or otherwise since he is only 18. A shotgun or rifle is his only option under Colorado law.
Actually, you are correct. My bad…. It’s still freaky. It’s a loophole that will probably be sewn shut.
There is a reason that 18 year olds cannot drink alcohol legally. Their brains are not fully developed, in fact, until the mid-twenties. The age to purchase a gun, any gun, should be 21. The age to carry a rifle or shotgun (with narrow exceptions for hunting) should be 21. And the age to legally buy tobacco should also be 21.
Well, bless me. We have certainly dumbed down our kids and their parents since the good old days of WWII. Even has a 12 year old, pretty big for his age, who enlisted in army, was found out, discharged, but then served in Merchant Marines honorably. Also my cousin joined Coast Guard at 16 in 1939 with parents permission, his ship gained contract next year and at age 17, was on the Atlantic in ship carrying lend lease to England in 1940, year before Pearl Harbor. We had a lot of young guys who lied about age 15, 16 and served in Army very honorably during WWII. And heck, when I came back from Goose Bay Labrador in 1963, wife and I bought house in Aurora on Wheeling St. At that time, I used to take my pistols, 22 rifle, and 8 mm in car and would drive to Colfax, east, to the town dump on south side of Colfax , across from the Mobile Home Park that is still there on North side of Colfax. I and a lot of others used to fire at targets in the dump, which was dirt and one day each week, operator would cover trash with layer of dirt. Hunted jack rabbits just east of there, and in fact back in 1950 era and just before, my father-in-law (as of 1952) dumped dirt from digging out his cellar in open fields, and hunted jack rabbits just east of Elizabeth street. Was not uncommon to see folks carrying pistols, rifles, shotguns in hand walking down the street, or hanging in window of pickup trucks. Where did all you {scaredey cats” (sp?) come from, and why? Aurora was 3,000 and Altura in 1963 was lot smaller.
I bought my first rifle at age 16, in Romney WV, paid $8.00, no identification and bought box of shells for it. Walked about 6 blocks carrying in my hands to uncles house, and family drove back to Ohio couple days later. Still have that rifle and I am 84. In my Ohio home, a rifle or shotgun was just another tool, and every family had similar guns and ammo.
Your post is irrational.
And prancing around with a shotgun in an urban setting, where an active shooting occurred is?
Come on Aldo; it’s ridiculous.
how is he a tool? what did he do to make you believe he is a tool? because he carried a shotgun? that’s the law, that allows him to do that. don’t like it, then change the law. until then, bite your tongue and quit judging people because you feel offended by what they do.
Nothing about judging or something I don’t like. It’s called stupidity; stupidity accepted by a very small minority like you.
I’ll tell you what’s “Sinister and moronic”, all the hateful comments on any number of MDA/Everytown posts calling for law-abiding citizens’ children to be raped, murdered, and ourselves to be slaughtered similarly simply for exercising a constitutional right. Does that sound right to you? When are you going to write on some of those wrongs? Isn’t that hate speech?
That’s an absolute lie, unless you mean the “MDA/Everytown” people are receiving threats from open carry activists. Because that’s true. On a daily basis. But they are most certainly not threatening anyone.
You can try to pull the wool over people’s eyes, but guess what! They can go to those sites themselves, and they can read. Those sites are heavily monitored, and threats are censored as fast as you can type them up. But nice try. Really.
Ok, Mr. Kool-Aid drinker. If you don’t believe what I’ve seen with my own eyes, that’s your right. So, I’ll put a couple in front of your eyes so you can behold the evidence for yourself. I can quote a couple found after a casual search through their timeline photos. It’s not exhaustive, but enough to prove you wrong anyhow:
“If I saw someone carrying like that [open carrying], I’d draw my own and kill him on the spot. After all, I feel threatened (Effectively committing felony manslaughter/2nd degree murder).” He had more than a couple likes on that one. It wasn’t taken down.
“People of FAITH should…be shown to be an terrist Group, treated as such. [sic]” That’s a copy/paste. It had 12 likes and counting, still visible and NOT deleted as you claim. So calling for honest, law-abiding citizens to be treated as terrorists and to be killed/fought against with US troops?
I’ll tell you who is censored, blocked, and comments deleted immediately; anyone who dares post any rebuttal or other reply that counters their dogma. That’s why you’ll never find a contrary comment on any of their pages/photos/posts. I myself have been blocked and my comments deleted from both MDA and the citizens for gun safety on FB for posting factual rebuttals that showed their ignorance. I was banned so fast I didn’t even get any notifications from the comment.
Daily basis, eh? Please show me where.
If people are so afraid of open carry, why don’t they drop what they are doing and flee?
Oh, that’s right! They are only fearful after the fact when they report it on the Internet.
As usual, Dave doesn’t even know where he is! “South Illiff Avenue” doesn’t exist, at least not in Aurora. I wonder what Dave’s reaction would be if he were the victim of a home invasion or car-jacking? It’s obvious that name-calling is his ONLY defense for his position, typical of the liberal mantra. If you can’t prove your point via the facts, resort to name calling!
Yes, Dave, there is something we can do about these nuts. We can stay home and shop, and bank and pay our bills and go to church, and pay taxes and communicate with friends online, then they will have only online places in which to exhibit themselves because no one will be on the streets, since our streets are now war zones, and we are refugees in our own communities. We have sold out to the gun and grass lobbyists. Give up, they won. I can grow fruits and vegetables and if I had a chicken and a goat, I would be fine. I would not even need to buy gas for my car or lawnmower. We are now the survivalists!
Charlotte Faris, Aurora
I agree. You should stay home.
If you don’t like people exercising the rights as a American citizen move to Mexico.
Wait until he walks past the front of a school . . .
I doubt he is that dumb and if he did what are they going to do create a perimeter?? Aurora police are cowards. Let a massacre happen right across street from police station. Where was the police who suppose to be working at century 16 that night??? It always police working there harassing teenagers for nothing up there but when lead get to flying where they at?
It would be a chance to get the unconstitutional federal gun free school zone act over turned. There is no state law against walking on a sidewalk with a gun in front of a school, as it should be.
I am more concerned about a “kid” buying cigarettes.
And you’re correct many die from cigs.
Okay, enough is enough. Those of you here repeating the same tired old rhetorical refrains defending your factually erroneous, irrational and implicitly brutal cult of violence (yes, idolization of instruments of deadly violence is itself an expression of a commitment to violence) are in desperate need of a clue, and the rest of us either have to help you to get one, or succeed in relegating your destructive and dysfunctional ideology to the dust heap of history, where you belong.
https://coloradoconfluence.com/?p=184549
I’ve been banned from so many gun control pages, today the coward who runs Gun Owners for Reform on Facebook banned me after I quoted the U.S. Supreme Court and proved he was wrong about something. Then he linked this article to prove he is right. Hopefully he’ll read that I think he is a coward who fears reasoned disagreement (like most gun control advocates) and relies on irrational fear and lies to promote an illogical decision. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Gun-Owners-for-Reform/392431507522698 – YOU’RE A COWARD GROUP OF PANSIES. Feel free to prove me wrong and re-instate my comment privileges and debate me honestly.
just think about all the gun carrying citizens that you don’t even know about? It’s this new thing called concealed carry but I guess what you don’t know can’t hurt you Perry!!! FI