EDITORIAL: Mandatory vaccination reform must be among 2016 Colorado legislative goals

I do understand that it’s hard to argue when the data is against you, and a shill or conspiracy argument is often all that is left. But it really doesn’t change data.

I have no idea where California’s Immunization Coalition gets its funding. But frankly, volunteering with pro vaccine organizations, regardless where they get donations, can’t show much except that I do, in fact, support protecting children from diseases via vaccines – and thats no secret. I support vaccines, as does every health authority in the world, local state or national, because they save lives and have very few risks. You don’t need a conspiracy theory to know i think that.

I also understand it is difficult to discuss financial motives and profits. Most people can recognize money can influence people and the decisions they make. To ignore that money can do this to people is dangerous.

I can also understand that you do not want to be perceived as profiting from being a shareholder in a pharmaceutical company.

If you own any mutual funds, you are also a shareholder in pharmaceutical companies. The idea that being a stock owner is the only reason someone would advocate vaccination is bizarre, given how small the profits of such ownership would be. And of course, given that there are basically no epidemiologists or neurologists or immunologists who think that vaccines are dangerous or ineffective, it’s bizarre to think that the only reason someone would agree with the consensus of experts is a shadowy conspiracy.

Dorit, I know it is difficult for you to just come out and say it.

Do you or your family own stock in a pharmaceutical company that may financially support a non-profit organization that you volunteer for?

You like to label anyone who disagrees with you as an extremist or a conspiracy theorist.

It’s really quite simple.

Money.

For those with eyes to see and ears to hear – the lobbyists mentioned above, working for/with Senator Pan are documented working for organizations supported financially by pharmaceutical companies.

Richard Pan has also received considerable financial contributions from pharmaceutical companies.

The organization(s) that you also volunteer for… and are invested in – pharmaceutical companies.

No conspiracy. Just follow the money, Dorit.

Ms Reiss, Senator Pan is on video, taking instructions from a lobbyist during the Sb277 proceedings.

Not what I see on the video, at the what do I do moment in the Senate.

https://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/lobbyist-calling-the-shots-for-sb277-community-outpour-ignored

From the article

After passing the Sacramento Health Committee vote, the bill was delayed as committee chair Senator Carol Liu wisely told the bill’s author Richard Pan “If I were you, I would not take a vote today.” At the conclusion of the vote, Liu asked Senator Pan point blank how he wanted to proceed.

To this, Pan, appearing to have no power to make the decision, turned to lobbyist Jodi Hicks and Janus Norman……

A shining moment for the power of lobbyists.

“He could ask anyone he wanted to for..advice”
And he did.
He asked the lobbyist.

Agreed! With body language being at over 55% of the 3 tools used for interpreting our communication [ even over words and tone] I saw a nervous and CONFUSED individual looking to the lobbyists for answers on how to reply!

Only someone who is insincere or imperceptive would conclude anything else after studying the video, Graceds!

You can take your derailing train wreck up with these people!

https://www.bodylanguageexpert.co.uk/communication-what-percentage-body-language.html

MY comment backed Graced’s reply to Dorit, that ANY unbiased individual can absolutely ascertain that pan was being coached.

I vote we call in an expert lip reader for a precise analysis! 😉

Try to comprehend the words within the CONTEXT of the communication, parrot Pro!

Your erroneous ‘off topic’ ad homming is showing A -gain! [sic]

The current ‘sub-subject’ was pan being coached by pharma lobbyists during the senate hearings.

And stop stealing my shtick, PARROT pro!

Nope, PARROT breath!

See several comments between Graceds and Dorit on the actions of pan in the video; what is legal to be communicated by lobbyists during such hearings, and whether pan was being coached or not.

You don’t have the cognition to ‘clarify’ anything, and I’m sure you had to look up my line to Borings, [persona non grata]!

C’est la vie! Once a witless PARROT, always a witless PARROT, PARROT pro! 😉

Ad homming, trolling, spamming and PARROTING Proponent has created yet another derailing train wreck; being too incognizant to keep up in common conversation.

And now because you seem to be a pesky little bug, like one that I’d previously deemed ‘persona non grata’, which you now ALSO witlessly parrot, I shall call you my parrota non grata!

Har d har! You surely seem to want to revisit your recent parody stupidity, parrota non grata! Bwa haha! 😉

Ha.

I’ve never seen this lying Aufderheide fraud argue anything successfully, even in the relative safety of his own website.

He owns Vactruth com

Troll.

“claims vaccines contain mouse brains” I think we can dismiss anything else you rant about

Mouse brain-derived Japanese encephalitis vaccine

Extract from report of GACVS meeting of 9-10 June 2005, published in the WHO Weekly Epidemiological Record on 15 July 2005

The Committee considered the decision taken by the Government of Japan on 30 May 2005 to suspend routine vaccination with the mouse brain-derived Japanese encephalitis (JE) vaccine currently used in Japan.3 This decision followed a review by the Japanese national advisory committee on vaccine adverse events of a single case of acute disseminated encephalomyelitis following JE vaccination and the national committee’s conclusion that it could not rule out a causal link with the vaccine”..https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/committee/topics/japanese_encephalitis/mouse_brain_derived/June_2005/en/.

So you are quoting from a source that doesn’t know what the hell they are talking about. Nothing unusual about that. Carry on.

Doris posts are mere cockatooing of canned slogans handed over to her by her pharma sponsors.

Perhaps you should track down my response to this accusation elsewhere (look at my profile).
I calculated that for every 1% increase in global GSK vaccine revenue that Dorit can “engineer” through her posts, her family stands to make $15 for every $10,000 of stock they hold.

Now that’s a real powerful conflict of interest, huh?

Perhaps you can be more specific as to what I allegedly have lied about regarding my time in the military? Thanks.

As I mentioned below, you can ask the alleged reporter, who I declined to interview with, if she has access to validate clearances. Normally there is a process to follow and access (FSO / SO) required to confirm.

https://www.clearancejobs.com/security_clearance_faq.pdf
https://www.navycs.com/navy-jobs/information-systems.html

Regarding being a rescue swimmer. I graduated from Surface Rescue Swimmer School in Jacksonville, FL in 1997.

You can see from the article she spoke with a public affairs officer and not an FSO/SO. I’m sure you can appreciate the difference. Additionally, I would also like you to provide the time and place I ever referenced Navy SEAL being any part of my job description while I served. Thanks.

Again, if you can please provide where I have falsified my military experience, outside of the Daily Beast, I really would appreciate your source.

They do not have access to my background information, unless they are collaborating with the Chinese government and/or have access to classified documents.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cybersecurity-cyberattack-idUSKCN0T62K420151117

She said that? You must have access to the email, then. Fascinating.

And you are saying the Chief of Naval Personnel Public Affairs called me a liar?

Better yet, since, in the past 9 months you have taken no action correct the statements in The Daily Beast article and cannot, let’s accept these as statements of fact:

“Meet Jeffry John Aufderheide, a man who lies about his Navy career…”

“Vaccines just one of the many conspiracies in his rolodex—he’s also a 9/11 truther, gun-rights fanatic, and Infowars darling. Oh, and he lies about his time in the Navy.”

“The Navy discredited Aufderheide’s claim that he served as a ‘rescue swimmer,’ stating that he actually served four years as an Information Systems Technician, Third Class.”

You lied about your military service. That’s a fact, Mr. Aufderheide. A reasonable person might ask, what else will you lie about?

Hi Jeffy,
Please tell us about how you profit from that little website you run.
And while you are at it, why don’t you clear up those questions about whether your claims to have been a certified rescue swimmer in the Navy with top secret clearance are true? Your silence on this matter has been telling.

And what grade did you pass? CAT I, CAT II, or Aviation SAR?

California’s Immunization Coalition are psychopaths asking to inject babies with mercury. As the letter below proves, they are more concerned about the industry’s problems to sell product than the actual health needs of Californian kids.

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=29587
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Dear Secretary Dooley:

Re: Request for temporary exemption for use of thimerosal-containing vaccine

Due to delays in the delivery of preservative-free flu vaccine across the U.S., we request a temporary exemption be granted to allow health care providers in California to administer thimerosal-containing vaccine to children under three years of age and pregnant women.

The United States is experiencing a national shortage of Fluzone pediatric pre-filled syringes, manufactured by Sanofi Pasteur. This is the only preservative-free injectable vaccine that can be administered to children ages 6-35 months under California law (California Health and Safety Code Section 124172 ). Additionally the delivery of FluMist, the live attenuated influenza vaccine (LAIV) that is administered intranasally, is also delayed throughout the country. FluMist has no preservative and can be administered to a two-year old child if there are no contraindications. The manufacturer reports that the vaccine is delayed due to production and shipping issues…

…

Kris E. Calvin
Executive Director
American Academy of Pediatrics CA

Susan Hogeland, CAE
Executive Vice President
California Academy of Family Physicians

Erika Jenssen, MPH
President
California Immunization Coalition

I absolutely am horrified by people conducting unnecessary, high risk procedures on children.
That’s why I totally abhor what Wakefield did to those poor autistic kids, who had to undergo general anaesthesia, lumbar punctures and total colonoscopies all in the name of his “research”.

However, regarding the “procedure” of vaccination, I am in favour, since the health benefits greatly exceed the possible harm.

Dr. Krugman’s career came under a shadow in the late 1960’s after accusations that he had used retarded children at the Willowbrook State School on Staten Island as human guinea pigs for his hepatitis vaccine research.
From 1958 to 1964 feces was taken from children who had Hepatitis, put in milkshakes and fed to newly admitted children for experimentation purposes
. https://www.friendshipcircle.org/blog/2011/10/24/willowbrook-how-the-government-abused-children-with-special-needs/

On Oct. 4, 1960, The Times reported that a vaccine developed by Dr. John F. Enders of Harvard and colleagues, using the measles virus itself, was being tested in New York City. With what today would appear as serene indifference, the reporter wrote that it was being given to 1,500 “retarded children” at the Willowbrook School on Staten Island.”..https://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/05/health/05first.html?_r=0

You seem to enjoy hearing about children being used for unethical medical experiments Mike. Why don’t you crack some jokes for everybody reading about dead babies who were used for vaccine experiments and sewage tanks…I know you will come up with something twisted. Maybe we have uncovered the identify of our mystery commenter who liked to talk about using children for sex and torture

“Over 2,000 care-home kids were secretly vaccinated against diphtheria in the 1930s in medical trials undertaken by international drugs giant Burroughs Wellcome, Irish media reveal. Among the testing sites was a recently discovered mass grave.

What I have found is just the tip of a very large and submerged iceberg,” Dwyer told the paper. “The fact that reports of these trials were published in the most prestigious medical journals suggests that this type of human experimentation was largely accepted by medical practitioners and facilitated by authorities in charge of children’s residential institutions.”

Following the discovery and reports of medical tests, Irish Premier Enda Kenny ordered ministers to search for further mass baby graves.

https://rt.com/news/164884-irish-baby-scandal-vaccines/

Enders and Katz approached the Walter E. Fernald State School near Waltham, Massachusetts. Conducting a clinical trial among institutionalized children raised significant ethical questions. Indeed, just 10 years earlier, the Fernald School had permitted nontherapeutic nutritional studies without informing families that their children were being given radioisotopes.10 Given that research ethics in the 1950s remained largely unregulated, some historians have argued that the Nuremberg code’s powerful articulation of informed consent in 1946 had little impact on American research until the 1960s.11

Although the domestic eradication of measles proved to be more difficult than optimists in the late 1960s predicted, the remarkable safety record of measles vaccine (incorporated into Merck’s MMR combination against measles, mumps, and rubella in 1971) is worth noting. In contrast to whole-cell pertussis and live polio vaccines, which were at the center of highly visible vaccine-safety controversies in the 1970s and 80s, measles vaccine enjoyed wide public acceptance. It figured prominently in the rise of school mandates as a strategy for promoting vaccination.16

***Families who declined it did so not so much for reasons of safety than questioning the clinical severity of measles (as was the case, ironically, with David Edmonston’s decision not to vaccinate his own son).17***

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/128/3/435.full

I didn’t know you were a fan of history Mike. Here is some more for you then…

“The largest contributor to the fund to elect Hitler in 1933 was I.G. Farben, which committed itself for 80 percent of the total. IG Farben included BASF, Bayer, Hoechst,(now Sanofi-Aventis.) and other German chemical and pharmaceutical companies.

As documents show, IG Farben was intimately involved with the human experimental atrocities committed by Mengele at Auschwitz.

all IG Farben pharmaceuticals were marketed under the Bayer trademark.

Throughout the Nazi era, Bayer was the control center for IG Farben human experiments. And on February 17, 1999, a lawsuit was filed in U.S. District on behalf of Eva Mozes Kor one of 180 surviving twin children (out of 1,500) who had been subjected to medical experiments at Auschwitz. The suit charged Bayer, of collaborating with Dr. Josef Mengele (the “Angel of Death”) to commit medical atrocities for profit. Eventually the case was settled out of court.

The correspondence between BAYER and the Auschwitz concentration camp gruesomely documented experiments on humans. BAYER put an order for 150 women, necessary for new experiments. They were deemed as “sufficient” despite “their miserable state of health” after “delivery”. There it meant, “the experiment have been carried out. All test objects are dead. We would like to inform you that we will be needing a new delivery shortly.”

Between 1933 and 1945, I.G. Farben played a central role in the Nazi economy. During World War II, the company manufactured poison gas, Zyklon B, used at extermination camps and employed forced and slave labor. Several company directors and senior managers were tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

I.G. Farben Trial in Nuremberg (1947/48) In late July 1948, the sentence was pronounced: 10 of the defendants were acquitted of all charges, and 13 were sentenced to prison terms, none exceeding eight years. In 1951, the last of the men convicted were pardoned and released from prison. IG Farben board member, Fritz ter Meer became the chairman of the board for BAYER in 1956. He said during the Nuremberg trials on the topic of human experiments that “concentration camp prisoners were not subjected to exceptional suffering, because they would have been killed anyway”.

In its verdict, the court concluded: “The evidence does not justify the conclusion that the supervisory board or the defendants Mann,(Bayer) Hörlein (BASF), or Wurster (Hoechst) as its members had a decisive influence on the business policies of DEGESCH or prosecutable knowledge of the intended purpose of its products. The supervisory board seldom met and the reports made to the supervisory board members did not contain much factual information In either the scale of production nor the fact that large quantities were shipped to concentration camps, seen alone, is sufficient to conclude that the persons who had knowledge of these facts must also have known of the criminal purpose to which the gas [Zyklon B] was put.”

In the sixth trial subsequent to the Trial of the Major War Criminals in Nuremberg (Case VI), starting in May 1947, 24 I.G. Farben executives were arraigned before an American military tribunal, charged with planning and preparation of wars of aggression, plundering and spoliation of annexed and occupied countries, and participation in the slave labor program and policy of genocide of the National Socialist regime. During the proceedings, the prosecution and the defense exhibited countless numbers of documents, including photos of the construction site annotated by the factory manager of I.G. Auschwitz, Walther Dürrfeld. Numerous witnesses were heard, including survivors of the Buna/Monowitz concentration camp and former British prisoners of war from I.G. Auschwitz.

In late July 1948, the sentence was pronounced: 10 of the defendants were acquitted of all charges, and 13 were sentenced to prison terms, none exceeding eight years. In 1951, the last of the men convicted were pardoned and released from prison. IG Farben board member, Fritz ter Meer became the chairman of the board for BAYER in 1956. He said during the Nuremberg trials on the topic of human experiments that “concentration camp prisoners were not subjected to exceptional suffering, because they would have been killed anyway”.

Eleven of the IG Farben managers were set free. Six received prison sentences from 18 months to 3 years. Ter Meer received a 7 year sentence, while Ambros and Dürrfeld received eight years. All those convicted were released from prison early. Some were included in the succeeding management team of the IG Farben Cartel.

Bayer, BASF and Hoechst considered themselves to be free of any legal obligations arising from I.G.’s history. Bayer, BASF and Hoechst rejected all compensation demands by former forced laborers until the late 1990s. They argued that the decartelization of I.G. Farben had created “three organizationally and completely new and independent companies that bore “no responsibility for the atrocities of the Nazi terror against forced laborers.” But these were the same three companies that had initiated the creation of the I.G. Farbin.

Hoechst AG merged in 1999 with Rhône-Poulenc to form the pharmaceuticals giant Aventis S.A., spinning off its remaining chemicals activities to the new Celanese AG. Aventis merged in 2004 with Sanofi-Synthélabo to form Sanofi-Aventis.”

I wonder if the parents will take the advice of Brooke Dunne, Cathy, Kathy, Ivan, Katia, Andrew Lazarus, Reality022, kfunk937, Mitt Romney, that vaccines are perfectly safe and they have nothing to worry about. These are the types of shots that our Government is being coerced, bribed, and bullied into mandating on to all of us and our children. When a child suffers a reaction they try to lie and say it was a coincidence. F your vaccinations, we will take the ones we want and need on our terms, not yours. Medical freedom must be upheld or more will die and be maimed.

Tammy Carrington of Diboll, Texas?

Her son didn’t die. He has cerebral palsy and is still alive today.

We saw a physician in Houston who
specialized in Hepatitis B adverse reactions and he did a battery of tests. His
name is Andrew Campbell, MD. He told us that Jonathan definitely did have an
adverse reaction to the hep B vaccine. We had a SPECT scan by Richard
Neubauer, MD in Ft. Lauderdale who also stated that Jonathan had toxic anoxic
encephalopathy directly related to the hepatitis B vaccine and this was not the
first time he had seen it and unfortunately would not be the last time he would
see it. We were also told that Jonathan’s intracranial pressure was so
intense for such a long period of time from his prolonged horrific screaming
that the vessel couldn’t handle the pressure and ruptured. I was told that
brain vessels are the thinnest vessels and are not built to withstand intense
and prolonged pressure such as screaming for 18-20 hours a day for four
months.

Attack the Doctor and toss him into the pit with Wakefield. Outta my face with your nonsense. The most chilling words ever spoken by a neurosurgeon ” There are things far worse than death ”
A vaccine injury can mean not just death but the rest of your, your spouse’s and your other Children’s lives and livelihood. Open your eyes every morning after broken sleep to the same care routine of your vaccine injured child, the reality sets in, there is no one to help you, no one who cares, just business as usual and on to destroy more families. And there you are day after day night after night season after season, every one grows older, you eventually die and your children are left to tell the tale through the fog of astroturfers, crooked politicians, misled Dr’s, and greedy pharmaceutical lobbying in the name of profit.

Your use of profanity will not make your point valid. My intelligence or lack thereof does not influence the validity of the cold hard facts that I have presented to you and your shill associates. What you do with the information is up to you. As for sock accounts, takes one to spot one.

And how do you deal with idiots like me all day might I ask? Oh, thats right you get paid to be here, I do this for free because I have a vaccine injured child.

“toss him into the pit with Wakefield”
That’s where the fraud belongs, so that’s the best place for him, I’d have thought.

“NEWBORN INFANT WITH HEPATITIS B AND MASSIVE ASCITES FROM LIVER FAILURE”

Thanks. so … a baby born with Hep B.

My bad.

She’s a pay per post writer for whoever needs content. Gig Is an industry term.

Check out Fiverr sometime.

Tu quoque?

Didn’t see that coming.

Deflection attempt noted.

Source of the photo? I already know, but why don’t you tell me.

Too late. You’ve already been caught lying.

Read the court’s opinion on Tammy Carrington before her case was transferred to the Omnibus

https://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/opinions/VOWELL.Carrington041907.pdf

A serial litigant whose statements under oath don’t match the medical records.

I don’t see that pic in your link.

You posted the link. The pic was not I the link. It is not my responsibility to do your work for you. As for my literacy, again, you don’t want to go down that road with me, troll.

Nope. Not interested. I read some of the text entries, and the whole thing sounds like a bunch of anecdotal fiction to me.

“…This is a picture of a baby born with Hep B”

Your face didn’t crack all up when you wrote that mendacity?

https://www.iansvoice.org/

“…Just two things needed to be completed before he could be released. He needed to pass his hearing test and receive his hepatitis B vaccination. I blame myself here as a mother for not having been completely educated on vaccines.”

Google “site:www.iansvoice.org” useless bum.

“I’ll replace it with a picture of a so-called “vaccine preventable” disease”
No need, I’ll do that if you wish. Here is meningococcal disease.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/107e5e5ba7569923ff2c4439174ac986f36605f36e22f20d4e4854ed5a6d400e.jpg

For the zillonth time you don’t prove a negative.

I’ll give you an E for Effort.

Tammy Carrington of Driboll, Texas wrote “A Vaccine Horror Story” supposedly about her own son.

https://drlwilson.com/Articles/VACCINE%20HORROR.htm

Try again?

Which is it, “She reported the child’s story” or “It’s the son of Tammy Carrington, Diboll, Texas.”

Pick a plot line.

Nice try, pigeon

I’ve noted the author is a pay per postie. According to the story she wrote, which is unverified, the child had a brain bleed as an infant and is still alive.

It may very well be true that Jonathan has cerebral palsy, I don’t know.

So you lied about him being dead. You lied about, “she only reported the child’s story,” and you still haven’t fessed up to where you found the photo.

Are you saying that photo is, in fact, Jonathan Carrington of Dribolll, TX when he was an infant?

Now wait a minute, pigeon. I thought you told me to Google it up?

Well I did. Turns out you’re a liar.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/562d56005b0d5ece262b4bec74dd21885119e2846a3202d3ba65dbe4c1fcccf8.jpg

Well, well, Vacuous is revealed to be an out and out liar, and totally unapologetic about it too.
Figures.

Ha ha ha.

Four other people saw your original post, not to mention anybody who has notifications turned on.

Then there’s this:

“Actually Tammy Carrington reported the child’s story, my fault. Whoever the parents are, the…” — Vacunas Autismo https://disq.us/8zy46u

“Which is it, ‘She reported the child’s story’ or ‘It’s the son of Tammy Carrington, Diboll, Texas.'” — Ivan https://disq.us/8zy4oe

Anyone reading this would have to wonder? Why do antivaxxers lie – all the time? Even when caught lying, you lie about that.

Your confirmed imbecility is now reconfirmed.

No. You said “when you type the word anti vaxx, you are talking about people like the parents of this child.”

I say, “Okay, then let’s take a look.”

.

https://m.ksbw.com/news/pertussis-outbreak-at-monterey-park-school/31881324
March 2015
Pertussis outbreak
School officials said of the 524 students at Monterey Park, 99.5 percent are vaccinated, including the four students who have been diagnosed.

All four have completed their five-day anti-biotic treatment at home and are back at school.

The CDC data shows the 3rd dose children have higher rates of infection.
DTaP Vaccination History of Pertussis Cases
https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/surv-reporting.html

Age Unknown 0 doses 1-2 doses 3+ doses Total
No. (%) No. (%) No. (%) No. (%) No.
6-11 mos 282(32) 76(9) 190(22) 327(37) 875
1-4 yrs 2,099(48) 341(8) 153(3) 1,810(41) 4,403
5-6 yrs 691(41) 139(8) 36(2) 813(49) 1,679
Total* 3,072(44) 556(8) 379(6) 2,950(42) 6,957
Both higher no of cases and higher percent of total cases on the third shot.

Percent calculated from total cases aged 6 months to 6 years, n=6,957.

The no of cases reported in the population is significantly higher after the 3rd shot.
Are you suggesting the higher no of cases is because the population increased?
It couldn’t have increased at that rate.

Read a fk…ing insert of any vaccine, most can cause acute encephalopathy resulting in permanent brain damage.

https://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM101580.pdf

https://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf

“…Read one of the countless studies that prove vaccines do not cause autism.”

Yeah, start by studying the credentials of one prominent author of such papers, the infamous Paul Thorsen, wanted by Interpol, then try to repeat the word “prove” without your face turning into concrete.

quote from FORBES:

“…Thorsen as the mastermind of a fraud to convince people that vaccines are not causative in autism….Thorsen allegedly stole a lot of money. The money came from more than $11 million that the CDC granted to two Danish government agencies for research into autism and vaccines…”

On the OIG wanted list.
https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/profiles.asp#thorsen

No, Linda, OIG office inspector general, hhs
This is from OIG HHS website.
From approximately February 2004 until February 2010, Poul Thorsen executed a scheme to steal grant money awarded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). CDC had awarded grant money to Denmark for research involving infant disabilities, autism, genetic disorders, and fetal alcohol syndrome. CDC awarded the grant to fund studies of the relationship between autism and the exposure to vaccines, the relationship between cerebral palsy and infection during pregnancy, and the relationship between developmental outcomes and fetal alcohol exposure.
Thorsen worked as a visiting scientist at CDC, Division of Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, before the grant was awarded.
The initial grant was awarded to the Danish Medical Research Council. In approximately 2007, a second grant was awarded to the Danish Agency for Science, Technology, and Innovation. Both agencies are governmental agencies in Denmark. The research was done by the Aarhaus University and Odense University Hospital in Denmark.
Thorsen allegedly diverted over $1 million of the CDC grant money to his own personal bank account. Thorsen submitted fraudulent invoices on CDC letterhead to medical facilities assisting in the research for reimbursement of work allegedly covered by the grants. The invoices were addressed to Aarhaus University and Sahlgrenska University Hospital. The fact that the invoices were on CDC letterhead made it appear that CDC was requesting the money from Aarhaus University and Sahlgrenska University Hospital although the bank account listed on the invoices belonged to Thorsen.
In April 2011, Thorsen was indicted on 22 counts of Wire Fraud and Money Laundering.
According to bank account records, Thorsen purchased a home in Atlanta, a Harley Davidson motorcycle, an Audi automobile, and a Honda SUV with funds that he received from the CDC grants.
Thorsen is currently in Denmark and is awaiting extradition to the United States.

It was a small error.
22 counts of fraud and money laundering is not so small.

Yes, of course.
A man whose been charged with fraud is totally trustworthy with research on children and vaccination.
I hope you have better judgement picking your babysitter.

“Thorsen was a leading member of a Danish research group that wrote several key studies supporting CDC’s claims that the MMR vaccine and mercury-laden vaccines were safe for children. Thorsen’s 2003 Danish study reported a 20-fold increase in autism in Denmark after that country banned mercury based preservatives in its vaccines. His study concluded that mercury could therefore not be the culprit behind the autism epidemic.

His study has long been criticized as fraudulent since it failed to disclose that the increase was an artifact of new mandates requiring, for the first time, that autism cases be reported on the national registry. This new law and the opening of a clinic dedicated to autism treatment in Copenhagen accounted for the sudden rise in reported cases rather than, as Thorsen seemed to suggest, the removal of mercury from vaccines. Despite this obvious chicanery, CDC has long touted the study as the principal proof that mercury-laced vaccines are safe for infants and young children. Mainstream media, particularly the New York Times, has relied on this study as the basis for its public assurances that it is safe to inject young children with mercury — a potent neurotoxin — at concentrations hundreds of times over the U.S. safety limits.

Thorsen, who was a psychiatrist and not a research scientist or toxicologist, parlayed that study into a long-term relationship with CDC. He built a research empire called the North Atlantic Epidemiology Alliances (NANEA) that advertised its close association with the CDC autism team, a relationship that had the agency paying Thorsen and his research staff millions of dollars to churn out research papers, many of them assuring the public on the issue of vaccine safety.

The discovery of Thorsen’s fraud came as the result of an investigation by Aarhus University and CDC which discovered that Thorsen had falsified documents and, in violation of university rules, was accepting salaries from both the Danish university and Emory University in Atlanta — near CDC headquarters — where he led research efforts to defend the role of vaccines in causing autism and other brain disorders. Thorsen’s center has received $14.6 million from CDC since 2002.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/central-figure-in-cdc-vac_b_494303.html

Kathy, you think you need a science degree to understand fraud indictments?
That’s laughable

Henrietta, good luck with the babysitters.
RFK jr had experience with litigation of mercury contamination from coal plants.
But you did have some A’s in school.
Good for you!

Many can, yes, in a vanishingly tiny percent of cases. And they do so at a rate with is well over 1000x less often than the diseases which they protect against, which is why they still make sense.

Trying to “protect” kids against a miniscule risk by exposing them to a risk thousands of times larger is insane.

[citation needed]
Vacu, I’ve seen this “statistic” thrown around by countless anti-vaxxers, and I’ve never seen it backed up. There is a problem with underreporting, yes; that’s been acknowledged for years. That only 10% of all adverse events are reported is pure invention, and in fact, you are also leaving out the facts which are also well-reported by the researchers who actually look into this:
1. Most of the underreporting is nonserious adverse events, such as soreness at the injection site, or uncomplicated fever;
and
2. That there is also considerable *overreporting* for some vaccines, where anti-vaxxers attempt to game the system by getting people to report every and any even vaguely related or remembered “event.”

Not to mention the fact that we don’t rely just on passive reporting any more; we also have active reporting systems such as the Vaccine Safety Datalink project. And all the detected serious events, which are all followed up, still tell us that vaccines are many orders of magnitude safer than diseases; and that the “vaccinosis” problem is still one of the anti-vaxxer fearmongering, not reality.

What kind of dishonest, ignorant idiot ignores everything else which is printed on that page?

“”Underreporting” is one of the main limitations of passive
surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events. The degree of underreporting varies widely. As an example, a great many of the millions of vaccinations administered each year by injection cause soreness, but relatively few of these episodes
lead to a VAERS report. Physicians and patients understand that minor side effects of vaccinations often include this kind of discomfort, as well as low fevers. On the other hand, more serious and unexpected medical events are probably more likely to be reported than minor ones, especially when they occur soon after vaccination, even if they may be coincidental and related to other causes.

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified
vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.”

You didn’t visit the website. If you did you would have to read this before proceeding:

” in general coding terms in VAERS do not change based on the information received during the follow-up process. VAERS data should be used with caution as numbers and conditions do not reflect data collected during follow-up. Note that the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality.”
I think you missed THAT!

Vaers also admits that there is virtually no follow ups to any of the reports. Keep reading that site and read some of the serious cases if you care.

Many pediatricians refuse to report cases to vaers. The United States has the highest SIDS rate in the first world and the biggest vax schedule.

Either your head is in the sand or you are one of the many people employed by the vax industry to contain the online backlash to their barbarous policies.

The people are not buying your lies. Your appeals to authority are ignored as they are fallacious and everyone is becoming aware of how corrupt all of the pro vax science is.

You’re losing this fight. Find a job where you’re advocating something harmless and not pushing POISON to little children.

You stupid genocidal Nazi. Crawl back to whatever authoritarian cesspool you oozed out of. You can dream about your white coat utopia all you want. The truth is going to win and you will be out of a job. You sick f***.

SB277 effort was disorganised and out of time. A much bigger fight is coming and you will not win.

Keep dreaming you pathetic tool. I hurl insults at you because you deserve zero respect. Providing thoughtful fact filled arguments to deaf ears is a waste of my time. You are not a real person. You are an insider troll.

As for being Hitler, you’re not. You’re just a propaganda swallowing lemming. Don’t flatter yourself – you are no evil mastermind.

You are the one surrendering and I don’t care to accept your defeat as it is meaningless. You are the one failing to address the facts of vaccine caused injuries, scores of whistleblowers and hundreds of studies. Not to mention CDC corruption, billions in revenues, liability immunity, billions paid out by the federal vax court to those injured or killed by vaccines, including autism cases – just a tremendous amount of evidence of very serious risk. I am not going to educate you because if you were we’ll meaning, you would educate yourself. But you’re not. You’re scum .

People with real concerns about vax dangers will do their own research and your snow job will always fail.

It takes years to complete a claim process with the court – and lots of lawyer hours. It is a difficult process, and prohibitive to most people without resources, education or time on their hands. The amount of cases compensated is a small percentage of cases filed, and the compensation for DEATH is only $250,000. These are not trial jury awarded punitive damages – these are procedural and only meant to recover any cost of care. 3.2 Billion is significant in this case. The highest awards range into the low millions for long term care of children who are so neurologically damaged they must wear helmets.

Again, there are hundreds of studies and well backed arguments that refute efficacy claims and safety claims of the vax biz, but too many people are easily herded and scared into lapping up the fear mongering that goes on about childhood diseases that are NOT lethal or very dangerous in the 1st world. This is done to protect a steady and growing stream of liability free revenues for the manufacturers.

AND HERE IS THE LINK TO VAX court paying out for AUTISM.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/post2468343_b_2468343.html

It looks like poked a fringer’s nerve. Are you a truther also?

It is because MANY of us are absolutely furious at this fascist attempt to force people to damage our children with vaccines. Each has his or her own way of expressing their rage at this abuse of our human rights. But it is absolutely true that a MUCH bigger fight is coming, and we will win. The Nuremberg convention established that free and preferably well-informed consent is required before any invasive and potentially dangerous medical procedure may be carried out. This effort to compel all children, and then all adults, to submit to being killed or brain-damaged in order to reduce the number who get usually mild and beneficial diseases is outrageous and motivated only by pharma profits. And you seriously think that Americans are going to permit that?

I don’t care about the language used. Those who abuse others must expect them to react with the language of anger.
Vaccines are dangerous. Any vaccine can disable or kill, and every vaccine has done so many times, some with great frequency. It doesn’t matter what Big Pharma says about their having been tested, they can all disable or kill, and if I don’t want to run that risk, at a time when one in forty vaccinated American children is diagnosed with autism, it is my human right to refuse them for myself or my child. The danger of death or disability from vaccine damage is far higher than that from the vaccine-preventable diseases, and regardless of whether or not it was, every person has the right to choose the danger he wishes to accept.
The referendum had a very short time to collect an incredibly large number of signatures. We didn’t have to collect a fraction of that number to get cock-fighting on the ballot as a referendum (and we won, got it outlawed). The fact that so many tens of thousands DID sign it shows the way the wind is blowing, and once the unwillingly vaccinated kids who react with disability or death start filing lawsuits, we’ll see how the public reacts.
47 states permit personal exemptions to the vaccine “requirement” for school, either religious or philosophical (basically the same thing). Jerry Brown wrote in a religious exemption at the last minute in response to public demand two years ago at the last attempt of the medical cartel to force vaccines on every schoolchild in California.
Did anyone ever find a SINGLE example of an unvaxed schoolchild giving a disabling or fatal case of a disease he got to another schoolchild? No, no one ever did. Because this was a non-issue, a non-danger. Those who want the vaccines can get them and feel protected. If they don’t work, then there you go, why should you force someone else to risk their life just in case the vaccine fails to work as billed in your child, and he gets chickenpox or measles?

Dorit, you vile dolt. The very reasonable and patient person above makes a very cogent argument about individual rights and the nonsense fear mongering hysteria of the pro vax FAKE movement. Instead of addressing that excellent rebutal, you want to continue the strawman non-issue of my having called one of the provax trolls here a Nazi? Are you really serious? My use of LANGUAGE is more offensive than the lie that vaccines are safe and effective? That thousands of vax injuries and deaths are RECORDED on file, not investigated, and the autism numbers are estimated by the CDC to rise in the next several decades to like 1 in 4?

The Nuremberg relationship is a solid claim. Vaccines are NOT adequately safety tested in long medical trials.

Vaccine inserts REQUIRE the pediatrician to make the parent AWARE of all the safety risks on the insert. These inserts list very serious side effects including anaphylactic shock, seizures and neurological damage. Even the manufacturers know that. But when you visit a typical provax pediatrician, they are NOT even aware of the ingredients in vaccines and they have NEVER looked at the insert! They just run off the marketing claim that vaccines are tremendously safe and effective.

Here is the basic logic for you:
1. If vaccines are effective you should never have to fear a disease carrier.
2. If a person is unvaccinated, it does NOT make him a disease carrier.
3. If a person is recently vaccinated, they are more likely to be a disease carrier and can infect imunocompromised people.
4. If vaccines carry a risk that causes MORE damage than the disease it is trying to prevent, it is NOT morally sound to require the patient to take it!
5. Invasive medical procedure without consent IS VIOLENT FASCISM!
6. Every invasive medical procedures require a consent form, unless the patient arrives in ER incapacitated.

You are not unintelligent I suspect, so you know all of this to be reasonable and true. But you insist on fascist policies. Only three reasons for that:
1. You are a paid propagandist of the industry
2. You are paranoid and under the influence of the fear mongering.
3. You are a parent who risked their child’s safety by vaccinating them, was one of the fortunate people who are not damaged by the process, and now are demanding that everyone take the same risk.

The first reason is despicable. The others understandable, but you need to acknowledge the rights of others and not be a fascist.

Inserts are supposed to be available to the patient. Here is the information from the HEP B vaccine.

17 PATIENT COUNSELING INFORMATION
Information for Vaccine Recipients and Parents/Guardians
 Inform the patient, parent or guardian of the potential benefits and risks associated with vaccination, as well as the importance of completing the immunization series.
 Question the vaccine recipient, parent or guardian about the occurrence of any symptoms and/or signs of adverse reaction after a previous dose of hepatitis B vaccine.
 Tell the patient, parent or guardian to report adverse events to the physician or clinic where the vaccine was administered.
 Prior to vaccination, give the patient, parent or guardian the Vaccine Information Statements which are required by the National Vaccine Injury Act of 1986. The materials are available free of charge at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website (www.cdc.gov/vaccines).
 Tell the patient, parent or guardian that the United States Department of Health and Human Services has established a Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to accept all reports of suspected adverse events after the administration of any vaccine, including but not limited to the reporting of events by the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986. The VAERS toll-free number is 1-800-822-7967. Reporting forms may also be obtained at the VAERS website at (www.vaers.hhs.gov).

NOTICE THE ABOVE about the requirement that the doctor give a statement of information from the CDC about the vaccine. In the VERY LONG statement of info, there is a section about who SHOULD NOT get the vaccine:

“Who should not get hepatitis B vaccine?

Anyone with a life-threatening allergy to yeast, or to any other component of the vaccine, should not get hepatitis B vaccine. Tell your doctor if you have any severe allergies.

Anyone who has had a life-threatening allergic reaction to a previous dose of hepatitis B vaccine should not get another dose.

Anyone who is moderately or severely ill when a dose of vaccine is scheduled should probably wait until they recover before getting the vaccine.

Your doctor can give you more information about these precautions.”

THIS VACCINE IS FIRST GIVEN AT BIRTH!!!! There is virtually no way to tell if they have a life threatening allergy to yeast or any other component of the vaccine!!!!!

NO PARENT EVER HEARS THAT FROM THEIR RUN OF THE MILL PEDIATRICIAN BEFORE THEY ARE TOLD TO JUST TAKE THE HEP B VAX!!!!

PLEASE STOP YOUR LIES!!!

You are losing this debate and deflecting as usual. The text I provided from the insert talks about the statement of info requirement, and the statement of info requirement is very long. It has a section about “who should not take the vaccine” and I quoted that section.
HEP B is a blood transmitted illness, that means Sex or needles. If the mother doesn’t have it, the new born will NOT either.
They give the vaccine at birth because at birth and your well baby visits are the best time to administer vaccines. The parents are overwhelmed and scared, the baby fuss is common and easy to deal with.
Much more difficult to get older children and teens and adults to get vaccinated. This is the only reason to push Hep B at birth.
It is dangerous to give incredibly high doses of neurotoxins (Aluminum, fermeldahyde, trace mercury) to tiny babies.

HEP B information statement: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/vis-statements/hep-b.html

LOL. PATHETIC. Babies don’t have teeth to bite, or toothbrushes or razors. Stop it already.

You’re referring to this text about other types transmission:

“But the virus can be transmitted from one person to the other through a variety of routes that don’t involve shooting up, healthcare workplace accidents, or risky sexual activity. Viral particles can be found in other infected body fluids, such as saliva contaminated by bleeding gums or biting the inside of the cheek. Children can spread it to each other during close contact in a household or if one toddler bites another. Transmission can also occur when sharing a toothbrush or borrowing a razor.”

As for Dorit’s homemade apple pies do contain formadelhyde – 6.3 milligram- 23.3 milligrams for every kilogram of fruit.

As for the alu, it is the the most common metal element and the third most common – I would be very surprised if it didn’t contain aluminum. There’s a lot in most soils, for example.

Alu is not in the vaccines. Alu salts are – the distinction is important – both hydrogen and oxygen are explosive and flammable , after all. And yet…Oxidane which is a compound of the two is usually really not flammable. Mixing it with electricity is an exception.

H2 + O + Spark = fiery explosion

Oxidane (H20) + spark = …..damn…my lighter’s wet.

Mercury is also not in vaccines and never has been. Again, the distinction is important.

There are three major types of substances that are referred to as mercury. There’s elemental mercury which is the liquid metal in old thermometers. Then there’s methyl mercury which is the kind that bioaccumulates and is in fish.

Then there’s ethyl mercury which doesn’t bioaccumulate and is in some vaccines.

This is just as important as the distinction between H20 and H202.

https://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/whatsnew/whatsnew_fa/files/formaldehyde.pdf

As for the flour, I’m not scared of flour. And aborted fetal cells are not in vaccines – they are the growth medium – in other words, Dorit used descendant cells as manure for the apple trees.

Oh, aluminum. Looks like Doirt used vanilla flavourings.

As for the human dna, most of us do sloguh a few cells off when we pick something off the tree.

Dorit, you were doing so well with the apples and pastry and vanilla and everything – what did you go and add tuna for? 😉

Up until that point., your figurative apple pie sounded quite tasty. Note that so long as we don’t have this too often – this is a perfectly safe pie – probably just as well that it comes in injectable forms though because it doesn’t taste too good.

Duh….of course the levels are lower in drinking water. Just utterly irrelevant unless you consume flu shots every day by the gallon.

Yes? So, there isn’t any mercury in vaccines. Talking about a mercury compound in vaccines. does not make ‘no mercury in vaccines’ false.

There is no chlorine in your salt shaker but there is sodium chloride.

No, the distinction is important. 9th grade chemistry.

Because you don’t understand it. Oh and that’s bioacculmative mercury compounds.

I am so sorry for your story. There are some doctors who care and even some in the political establishment who do. I trust that one day humanity will look back on the autism epidemic with great shame. God bless you and your fam.

“… Inserts are a legal document that follow FDA labeling requirements. Including, for example, listing any reported adverse event, even if it’s not caused by vaccines.

Better said: Inserts list any reported adverse event that COULD HAVE BEEN caused by the vaccine, though its actual cause is not yet known. Listing implies there’s a risk that the vaccine might be the cause. The patient has the right to be informed of this and consent – or not – accordingly.

“…For example, all deaths are listed, even when the cause of death is a car or plane crash..”

Deaths by a car or plane crash are not adverse events by definition of “adverse event”.

Listing of such deaths is not required.

Manufacturers do list them voluntarily, however, to produce the impression in naive readers that attributing the TRUE adverse events to the vaccine is also absurd.

The syllogism goes like this:

– Attributing a plane crash to a vaccine is absurd,
therefore,
– attributing SIDS, encephalitis, etc is also absurd.

It’s a marketing strategy not illegal – yet.

“.. listing all deaths, and all adverse events that meet certain criteria, is required..”

OK let’s accept that.

Still, you were saying that car and plane accidents were “adverse events” in order to misguide the readers. You lack scrupules.

The criteria for “adverse event” is pretty straightforward:

https://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/…/Guidances/ucm073087.pdf

An adverse event (AE) is any untoward medical occurrence in a patient or clinical investigation subject administered a pharmaceutical product and which does not necessarily have a causal relationship with this treatment.

1. MEDICAL OCCURRENCE.
2. NOT NECESSARILY = NOT EXCLUDED EITHER

You can’t resort to non-medical occurrences to claim that true (medical) adverse events cannot possibly be attributed to the vaccine.

For a rational decision, parents and custodians should consider the worst case scenario that all adverse events are caused by the vaccine.

“…that section is routinely used by anti vaxers to claim the inserts show the vaccine kills. ..

Please, substantiate your accusations.. which “anti vaxer” has ever used car or plane accidents to claim “vaccines kill”?

I’ve only read the “car or plane accidents” fallacy from YOU.

“…Not necessarily means cautious lawyers include everything. Even if clearly not caused by vaccine..

What adverse events are “clearly” not caused by the vaccine?

“I don’t care about the language used.”
Cia, you have previously shown that you don’t care about the lives of children, and also that you don’t care about using this sort of language yourself.
We are not surprised.

“I care very much for children’s lives”

That would be why you said you would “relish” the return of measles to the USA when vaccination is halted?
And why the deaths of 450 kids a year from measles was claimed by you to be “No big deal”?
And why you said “Who cares if kids get pertussis”?

Well I care, Cia, I care a lot.

“You don’t care about anything you lying sack of feces.
If you want to read about the truth about “the measles” see this:”

Why would I read what an antivaccine propaganda website says when i have the entire scientific publication repository of articles on infectious diseases to call upon as well as my own experience?

…just get at least one signature this time.

The law is unenforceable. The doctor decides if he/she feels there is causality and then reports it. Meaning it is up to the doctor. And many do refuse. Many of the reports are filed by nurses and patients. There is zero enforcement of this “law”.

The problem is REAL CASES of injury go unreported for several reasons.
1. The doctor is smug, unaware of vaccine injuries and never looked at the insert. Doctors can be and often are EXTREMELY arrogant and lash out at patients that do not lap up their conclusions. They are people – not perfect.
2. The patients are not aware of what VAERS is, or that vaccines carry risk of injury and trust their doctors one sentence treatment of the issue when they just throw out there that vaccines are safe and effective.
3. In the case of SIDS, or any other serious debilitating injury, the parents grief is so high, it is less likely they will want to even look at the idea that their choice to vaccinate may have been the cause.

You childish arguments make it clear that:
1. You are unable to think for yourself
2. You lack the intellectual confidence and work ethic to weigh evidence and data on your own, so you desperately seek an authority figure to tell you what to think.
3. You are far more interested in consensus than facts or truth.

And here is a link to a study with a positive corrolation between higher Infant Mortality Rates and Vaccine doses:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

“A scatter plot of each of the 30 nation’s IMR versus vaccine doses yielded a linear relationship with a correlation coefficient of 0.70 (95% CI, 0.46–0.85) and p < 0.0001 providing evidence of a positive correlation: IMR and vaccine doses tend to increase together. The F statistic applied to the slope [0.148 (95% CI, 0.090–0.206)] is significantly non-zero, with F = 27.2 (p < 0.0001; Figure 1)."

You stupid moron. Why don’t you keep repeating yourself while you go in circles to make yourself feel like you have a logical thought.

SIDS is sudden infant death syndrome. Unexplained and mysterious, supposedly. It is included in infant mortality, and in the U.S. makes up more than half of infant mortality cases.

The non profit, non taxpayer funded, completely existing on donations group that you’re trying to vilify is a beacon of hope in a society preyed upon by scum like you and your employers.

You are a disgusting corrupt halfwit. I am finished trading insults with you. There is no getting through that irresponsible, immature head of yours.

OMG! The NVIC contributed $2,500 to the study! $2,500!!!! What an enormous windfall for the researchers!!!
You are so correct! Big Pharma sponsored studies never contribute that much funding to anything……

Folks, this is how these professional bloggers and commenters operate. And how the industry at large operates.

When a non-profit grassroots organization that has been around for decades as an attempted watchdog of the medical establishment gives a measly $2500 to a couple researchers for a statistical analysis study that finds unwanted correlations, they scream conflict of interest.

Nevermind the revolving door of industry insiders at the CDC!

Everything you just said is conjecture from your point of view that everyone and anyone who says anything against the myth of vaccine safety and effectiveness, is to be ignored and attacked. That’s okay. You just keep earning that marketing dollar from Big Pharma. We all have to earn a living.

$3000 vs. $40 billion in annual revenues. Keep beating that dead horse bud.

Think how much Poul Thorsen, CDC researcher was paid.
“In April 2011, Thorsen was indicted on 22 counts of Wire Fraud and Money Laundering.
According to bank account records, Thorsen purchased a home in Atlanta, a Harley Davidson motorcycle, an Audi automobile, and a Honda SUV with funds that he received from the CDC grants.”
What do you suppose he was hiding?

He’s still on the Office of Inspector General’s wanted list.
From OIG HHS website:
From approximately February 2004 until February 2010, Poul Thorsen executed a scheme to steal grant money awarded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). CDC had awarded grant money to Denmark for research involving infant disabilities, autism, genetic disorders, and fetal alcohol syndrome. CDC awarded the grant to fund studies of the relationship between autism and the exposure to vaccines, the relationship between cerebral palsy and infection during pregnancy, and the relationship between developmental outcomes and fetal alcohol exposure.
Thorsen worked as a visiting scientist at CDC, Division of Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, before the grant was awarded.
The initial grant was awarded to the Danish Medical Research Council. In approximately 2007, a second grant was awarded to the Danish Agency for Science, Technology, and Innovation. Both agencies are governmental agencies in Denmark. The research was done by the Aarhaus University and Odense University Hospital in Denmark.
Thorsen allegedly diverted over $1 million of the CDC grant money to his own personal bank account. Thorsen submitted fraudulent invoices on CDC letterhead to medical facilities assisting in the research for reimbursement of work allegedly covered by the grants. The invoices were addressed to Aarhaus University and Sahlgrenska University Hospital. The fact that the invoices were on CDC letterhead made it appear that CDC was requesting the money from Aarhaus University and Sahlgrenska University Hospital although the bank account listed on the invoices belonged to Thorsen.
In April 2011, Thorsen was indicted on 22 counts of Wire Fraud and Money Laundering.
According to bank account records, Thorsen purchased a home in Atlanta, a Harley Davidson motorcycle, an Audi automobile, and a Honda SUV with funds that he received from the CDC grants.
Thorsen is currently in Denmark and is awaiting extradition to the United States.
https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/profiles.asp

“The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) of 1986 requires health professionals and vaccine manufacturers to report to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) specific adverse events that occur after the administration of routinely recommended vaccines. ”

https://vaers.hhs.gov/index/about/index
You don’t even bother to check your crazy statements, do you?

You are lying again. Your 10% is imaginary and came from nowhere. Moreover, its based on the belief that 9 out of 10 doctor break the law for no reason as you admit.

There is evidence of multiple reports of the same injury In the VAERS database. That can be proven and provide hard evidence that there is over reporting, not to mention the frivolous reports that are all over the VAERS database. My favorite is when an autism activist named Jim Laidler once reported to VAERS that a vaccine had turned him into The Incredible Hulk. The report was accepted and entered into the database.

You are a desperate lying fanatic.

So what you are saying is that the doctors, who know more than you do, don’t think a reaction is associated with a vaccine.
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Exactly. The first hand expert makes the first call.
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If the parents disagree, they can always file a report themselves. Nobody is limited from reporting. There is not a better system than this.
You arrogant anti-vaxxers can’t hear yourself when you say “reactions aren’t reported because the doctor doesn’t think its vaccine related” – THAT IS A GOOD THING!!!! No every reaction is vaccine related. You “assume” all reactions are vaccine related because you are a fringe anti-vaxxer and everything in vaccine related in your closed mind.

Whats wrong with your argument / everything.

First, are you saying that you know more than a doctor? I don’t thinks so but you sure think you can second guess them and make a lot of unsupported claims.

Since you know more than the doctors, I’m sure you did a VAERS report. What is the number? Id like to read about it? You didn’t? i guess you are not that smart after all.

91% of the country is vaccinated and the number is growing. Just this year it became mandatory in California. You are delusional and the lunatic fringe. That is just a fact. deal with the fact that most of the U.S. accepts science.

To start with, there is next to zero scientific opposition to vaccines. You are thinking of a few chiropractors and quacks like Mercola who want your money.

Second, anti-vaccine nutcases have been around for the the entire time there has been vaccines because nutcases have always been around.

I like this example from the 1930’s showing how nutcases where trying to stop the smallpox vaccines (which eradicated small pox by 1980).

To summarize your post:

demagoguery trample poisons fantasy ramming home
blind arrogance forced Natural health is huge Mercola
most poisonous compounds Mercola Joe Mercola

Nice meaningless and emotional rant. It does not change the fac that you are still part of the lunatic fringe (your posts shows the lunatic part). The vast marjot of the U.S. supports science, and lets take a look at your favorite robber baron’s house built off profit from ignorance.

You might think vaccines are popular only in the context of tyranny so that similarly to radical leaders can claim they get 100% of the vote. But tyrannical enforcement offers no fair public opinion on what is obviously a highly controversial topic. The parents that I know and they care deeply about the health oftheir children take the step to pay out-of-pocket cash for specialized Highly informed doctors and homeschool their kids when they can offer no proof that their child has done the vaccination campaign . That is a sacrifice very few parents are willing to make but those are the healthiest children in America and those of the parents that deserve our support

So regarding the scores of dead young women murdered by a dopey vaccine that has no scientific proof of efficacy and indisputable harm. What do you say to those victims ??? Since they are dead they get no cash payout. No apology. No nothing
I know the family of a 13 year old victim of these crude and insane poison compounds and she has been made infertile for the rest of her life.
One more time what do you say to the victims the parents of the murdered?
Since you applaud tyranny no doubt you have no empathy.
To say your side is scientific is a joke. Your side lacks even basic knowledge of biochemistry. Your side has lost. You are one of the last sychofants carrying water for these vanquished immoral pseudo thinkers with power and control over the people.
You simply have never investigated the topic and know nothing about it.
I implore you to learn about the scientific method and stop relying on the politics of ritual sacrifice for the supposed greater good.

There is a fringe group firmly believe is President Bush and the Mossad were responsible for blowing up the twin towers. No one gives this group the time of day. There’s no evidence to support such a position and if you do a blog to cater to their view perhaps only a handful of neo-Nazis is going to show up. By contrast say something positive about the current vaccine campaign and one will get Hundreds of impassioned debaters eager to discuss the topic with my group of microbiologist PhD pros and Scientists on my side and with your innuendo and insults on the other side and it goes on and on.
One more time please allow the people who are health-conscious to be healthy and we’re more than happy to allow you and your family to inject yourselves with all manner of poison until you’re blue in the face. What part of live and let live do you not understand? Must we all suffer? why isn’t My informed consent valid?
Will you ever answer!
I expect you will not.

After what happened to my son if I had a chance to have another child there is no chance in hell I will cripple another child because there is scientific ignorance or malevolence at the top of a centralized system and you are here to tell me I must cripple again or be persecuted or be prosecuted.
Sorry. Not happening. I would vaccinate a child under no circumstances since I am pro life
You do not have a charming attitude. You are a thug and lack decency..
Your independent brain has been spoiled by the fluoride the government puts into the water and the poisons your doctors have injected into your tissues
This is a national scandal. The living dead. Zombies chasing down the honest and healthy

Defending fluoride is your last gasp.
No hope. I have worked hard to educate you.

Lame personal attacks are all that is left.
No science no argument no logic. People are on the radio arguing about school choice. Yes people need to be free to opt out of government schools and education is personal
But what is more personal than biological individuality ? How can the same set of compounds pure poison or even not. Be beneficial to every baby in the world?
This is all about the program and it is great to discuss biology and the program and not people you have never met.

There is no good defense for fluoridation of the public water supply of a vaccine program that has no rational cost benefit analysis
U.S. Is one if the few nations backwards enough to fall for the scam of water poisoning and has a heavier vaccine schedule than any other nation.
Therefore since I am. Or text about everything the U.S. Is dead last in infant mortality rates of autism rates of cancer worst life expectancy among the major industrialized countries all with dramatically more money spent. The worst possible outcome. Wasteful extravagant spending for the worst outcome.
It is a national disgrace
I have a right….. A genuine civil right to seek a healthy lifestyle for myself abd for my family without being corrupted by ignorant butchers posing as medical professionals.
I follow only serious credentialed doctors not simpletons following orders from the cdc and other corrupt organizations.

No you claim that the state acting without any knowledge of the consequences has the right to force my family to be injected with a grotesque combination of toxic compounds against known vulnerability to those compounds against my parental authority and in contradiction to my chosen medical advisors and against all reason and common sense for zero established reason. Only becAuse the state seeks to victimize everyone else.
The mandate for the state to vaccinate is only at a time of a specific health emergency. There is no legal or medical justification for the current program. It is just something the state wants to enforce.
Similarly. There is not one bit of evidence poisoning the water has any particular utility and there is only overwhelming evidence of harm.
The fact remains this is all about state control with nit even a Kane suggestion this is helpful or necessary .
And that is why the problem is going to be systematically ended .

With ZERO cases of polio n the US since 1995, the risk of an unvaccinated kid getting polio in the US is ZERO.

You’re telling me the risk of encephalopaty and brain damage from a vaccine is thousands of times less than ZERO … can anyone get more moronic than this?

If you really believe your children are credibly threatened by diseases
from 3rd world countries, then vaccinate them against yellow fever, tuberculosis and malaria too!

You got no frigging idea of how to assess a risk/benefit ratio. If you’re a parent you should be declared unfit to make medical decisions for your kids.

The reason the risk of getting Polio is zero is BECAUSE of the vaccine. In 2008, 350,000 people contracted polio worldwide. Now, its down in the 100’s just because of the vaccine.
Get a grip on reality.

We call you ignorant of reality because you don’t seem to understand something very simple:

The only reason why the risk of the disease is so low is because most people still vaccinate.

As soon as people stop vaccinating the disease moves back in.

Your “plan”, such as it is, is equivalent to telling people to stop using child safety seats in cars because so few children die in car accidents these days.

“Listen, moron, if there’s no circulating wild virus, whether you vaccinate or not the result is the same: no disease.”

Yes, you are a moron.

There is no circulating smallpox virus any more. There is no non-human reservoir of the smallpox virus — so complete, worldwide coverage of all humans with vaccination was enough to wipe out all circulating wild virus. And after that, there was no more need of vaccination for it.

We still vaccinate for polio because it is not gone from the world. Multiple people have now pointed out to you, in this very thread, that there are still thousands of cases of wild polio in certain countries, and that the disease is only a plane ride away. It would be, and should be, possible to wipe out polio with complete vaccination coverage in exactly the same way that we did smallpox, but that hasn’t been done yet — and it requires that idiot anti-vaxxers get out of the way.

Get out of the way and stop being an idiot, and maybe in a generation we genuinely won’t have to vaccinate for it any more!

Way to miss the point entirely, there, champ. See what justthefacts has said, if you cannot understand.

If vaccines caused the harm that you claimed, I would not support their use either. The fact is, you wildly – wildly! – exaggerate “harm” from vaccines, and continuously downplay and deny the actual and real dangers.

Why you think this is a good way to deal with the world, now that I don’t know.

Funny how many anti-vaxxers think that filling their heads with junk on the internet equals “did homework.”

Hint: I did homework. I did homework for 4 years as an undergraduate and 5 years as a grad student. I learned what was in the basic textbooks — and I read current research papers and learned how to interpret them, did lab work, sat exams, and designed my own data-gathering experiments and was criticized by people who knew what they were doing on statistics and interpretation. THAT is what “homework” is. What you’re doing? That’s ignoring the people with scientific credentials, it’s ignoring scientific data, and it’s being gullible to completely unscientific and false claims and then moving on to being an active menace to public health.

You are only of benefit to others as an example of what people shouldn’t do.

That is a fallacy. if you don’t take the vaccine, the risk contracting the disease far exceeds the risk of a complication by the polio vaccine.

You don’t make any sense.

If you eat, the risk of a complication from eating is higher than the risk of starvation. If you don’t eat, the opposite is true.
Get a grip.

The polio risk is ZERO in the U.S. BECAUSE of the vaccine. If you stop taking the vaccine, IT WON’T BE ZERO ANY MORE.
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Your machinations does not change the fact that with no vaccine, there would be rampant Polio. With the vaccine. its gone. To can’t take credit for having the vaccine in your mindless argument to get rid of it.
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You are living a fallacy.

Sorry but lynneb just won the Moron of the Year Award for 2016 .. you get a second nomination!

https://www.polioeradication.org/Polioandprevention/Thevaccines/Inactivatedpoliovaccine(IPV).aspx

IPV (Inactivated Polio Vaccine) does not stop transmission of the virus

This is the vaccine used in the US and Western countries and it’s NOT preventing the spread of the disease.

You further prove my point that it’s not the present vaccine what’s holding polio at bay. The present vaccine (IPV) does not prevent an individual from contracting poliovirus, becoming an asymptomatic carrier and transmitting the virus to others.

Considering the large number of Americans that visit endemic polio areas like India, if the it truly were a viral disease we’d be seeing scores of infections among the unvaccinated, but it’s not happening, therefore suspicion of another (profitable) modern medical myth.

Like what?

And when people went to places with endemic polio “back in the day”, it was recommended they get an IPV booster. My husband got one to go to China about 15 years ago; my neighbor got one to go to Africa about 10 years ago.

We all know you cherry picked that statement. Did you enjoy your pie?

Oh, this has all been debunked, both in real life and in this thread.

Why is it “cherry picking” instead of simple a citation? In which aspect is the quote untrue?

Put some substance in your whines because you’re looking stuuuupid.

That’s not a scientific source. If you look at the actual clinical trials you’ll see the mere induction of reactive antibodies was tested. From this, the authors ASSUME the antibodies are protective, a claim that needs its own proof but has never been provided and never will because it’s simply false. All the vaccination policy is based on this unproven assumption, spreading ” well intended” harm and disease all over the world.

Most of the US was immune! What alternative explanation do you have?

My God, a source from 19freaking60! 56 years have elapsed since that article was written. That was pre-Sabin vaccine, and only a few years post Salk! At that point, the US was just getting going on polio eradication. Come 1961, during the Sabin Sundays, everyone took the vaccine. My father would be 102 years old, today, if he were still alive, and he took it along with us kids.

I’m aware of the change in diagnostic criteria. I’m fine with tightening things up, as more was learned about the disease. But that doesn’t change the fact that we are no longer seeing polio epidemics in the US.

Polio has been renamed AFP, a simple administrative swindle by re-defining the diagnosis. The proof is the total number of AFP cases including polio has risen to an excess of 47,500 cases after the vaccine. AFP did not come from the blue, it’s former polio renamed.

https://www.issuesinmedicalethics.org/index.php/ijme/article/view/110/1065

Polio programme: let us declare victory and move on

“…while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere was violated.”

The excess 47,500 new cases of NPAFP would have been classified as “polio” by the pre-vaccine diagnostic criteria (clinical symptoms only).

But you prefer to believe they came out of the blue rather than admitting your beliefs are magical thinking.

“…And clinical symptoms aren’t the end all of diagnostic criteria. Today we require testing to identify a virus or bacteria.”

I’ll make a map for you:

a) before the vaccination campaign: polio = clinical only criteria (both poliovirus and NPAFP are labelled “polio”)

b) after the vaccination campaign: polio = lab confirmed (only poliovirus is labelled polio).

By virtue of a more restrictive diagnosis, a >> b whether the vaccine worked of not.

The apparent drop in incidence is a consequence of removing NPAFP from the “polio” diagnosis. The fact that NPAFP increased spectacularly after the vaccination campaign confirms a simple reclassification took place.

No sh.t sherlock.

If you’re aware that pre-vaccine “polio” diagnoses were bloated by misclassified cases of NPAFP (which later proved to be massive)… then how do you dare use those inflated numbers to pretend the vaccine has solved the “polio” problem? The problem was one of MISCLASSIFICATION and OVERDIAGNOSIS, not polio!

The fact that the incidence of prevaccine “polio + NPAFP” is the same as the incidence of post-vaccine NPAFP suggests pre-vaccine “polio” was actually NPAFP.

Estimates by the pre-vaccine clinical definition that encompasses all cases of NPAFP. Switching definitions as it suits your point is not science, it’s crookery.

Only a consistent pre- and post-vaccine definition can tell the truth about vaccine effectivity. The excess 47,500 new cases of NPAFP in post-vaccine India exposes the whole scheme and Indian doctors are already aware of it.

Neither we have of polio, not now, not then. It was all NPAFP all along.

Clinical-only surveillance lumps all AFP cases into the “polio” grab-bag, tehrefore overreported and grossly overestimated. The clinical is THE SAME, possible causes a dozen.

It’s obvious you have no frigging idea of what the pre-vaccine diagnostic criteria were. A seagull would understand my point better than you.

“…That’s the data reported in the study linked.

Which refers to the clinical-only definition of “polio” that INCLUDED all non-polio AFP, and therefore was a gross overestimation.

They were stupid then but you have no excuse to remain stupid TODAY.

Underreported cases include both poliovirus and NPAFP because the diagnostic criteria was the same.

Therefore, underreporting doesn’t mean the cases were all poliovirus, they could just as well all be NPAFP. There was no way to tell one from the other.

With today’s diagnostic criteria all pre-vaccine “clinical polio” would be correctly classified as NPAFP and the vaccine exposed as a fraud.

Pre-vaccine diagnostic criteria were clinical only, therefore NPAFP is included for having the same clinical presentation as poliovirus AFP.

Post-vaccine criteria is lab confirmed, therefore NPAFP is excluded.

In view of the above HISTORICAL REALITY, comparing pre-vaccine guessestimates to post-vaccine confirmed data is an exercise of utter stupidity.

The diagnostic shift alone explains both the drop in “polio” incidence AND the 10-fold surge of NPAFP.

Explain how clinical-only criteria, which misclassifies AFP by any cause as “polio”, can lead to underreporting through overdiagnosis.

Your failure to see how pathetic your argument is, is pathetic square.

Let’s look at your logic fail.

Claim that 400k+ prevaccine polio cases are all NPAFP.

Then claim that today’s 47500 NPAFP cases is an increase by 10x since the vaccine was introduced.

That’s some sort of special.

Underreported. You’ve given no evidence to contradict it.

“…your quote specifically deals with non-polio AFP, which by its very definition is not polio”

Read the whole quote: “Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis”

Which means clinical diagnosis of polio (prevaccine criteria) results in massive misclassification of NPAFP as “polio”.

OMG, a germ theory denie!

I’m a gymnastics mom, not a soccer mom! PLUS an RN with 40+ years’ experience in and additional education in immunizations.

I’ve certainly read far more primary sources than you have. Your constant personal attacks are not exactly bolstering your case.

Most of us like to run and hide when the pharma reps show up, and take their shtick with a grain of salt, if not more like a box of it. We’re not the ignorant idiots you think we are.

Look bub, I’m tired of you yapping about primary sources for other
people to read, then quoting crap from the media yourself. And I’m
sick of your name-calling! If you had a case, you wouldn’t have to do
it.

And oh, look! sabelmouse and Grace, my tormentors, have already upvoted you!

Graceds, you said a day or so ago you have a “surfeit” of decency. Yet you upvote a poster who calls people cockroaches and killers. Have you no shame, Grace, you and sabelmouse, Shari March, bsf309, Cat and Liz Swarthout?

Awww, Gracie! Just giving you a taste of your own medicine.

Well sadly that 40+ years of experience hasn’t taught you to do anything other than blindly accept what Big Pharma tells you is safe. I’m glad your kids are ok. I wouldn’t wish this on anyone’s kids, even to prove a point. But just worry about your own kids and shooting them up every time the drug companies come up with a new product. I pray you don’t have any daughters. If you do, I hope you’ll really look at the damage that has been done to the girls who have received it. No one should DIE from a vaccine. The fact that over 100 girls have died so far ought to bother you at least a little bit.

What happened to my longer comment posted a few minutes ago? It’s gone. Many Indian doctors said that they thought these much-vaxed children were paralyzed as a result of their having gotten so many polio vaccines in the Pulse oral vaccine campaigns waged twice a year in Indian streets and door-to-door. I will remind you that vaccines depress immune function, leaving the patient vulnerable to catching other, sometimes fatal or disabling diseases. DPT vaccination was suspended during polio outbreaks in the ’50s because it was so obvious that children who had gotten the DPT in the previous month were much more vulnerable to getting severe cases of polio. Clinical cases of Hib meningitis quadrupled between 1940 and 1968, probably because the DPT, introduced in 1948 in the US, depressed the immune system of many children who caught severe cases of HIb meningitis as a result.

I mean the disease which many Indian doctors think was CAUSED by the polio vaccine, either because it was really polio and the pharma industry is lying, or because the oral vaccine depressed the children’s immune system, allowing them to be paralyzed by a polio look-alike disease.

Liar! The risk is not miniscule! That is pure industry spin. The risk of serious vaccine injury is far higher that the risk of death from a childhood disease.

Go to vaers.org and read all of the reports for yourself. That is only a tiny percentage of all the cases that are linked to vax injury.

“…The injury rate for all vaccines fall below one in one million . Vaccinations which makes it the safest human activity ever invented.”

From the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/tetanus/downloads/dis-tetanus-color-office.pdf

Risks of DTaP Vaccine

…1 out of 14,000 children may have a seizure

What is a seizure? https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003200.htm

A seizure is the physical findings or changes in behavior that occur after an episode of abnormal electrical activity in the BRAIN.

Brain damage!

If you have any decency left stop putting lipstick on a pig.

“….Febrile seizure, which resolves cleanly and leaves no permanent damage.

Yeah well, all damage caused by vaccines is always so fking “clean”… now seizures caused by measles are a threat to civilization as we know it and bla.. bla… bla…

Double standards anyone?

Deliver the “good” seizures to your own kids, keep away from mine.

“…And seizures from measles, unlike simple febrile seizures, tend to be associated with permanent damage.”

Any consumer product capable of causing brain seizures in 1 out of 14,000 users wouldn’t be allowed to market, let alone if the target population is young kids.

However, if the product sports “vaccine” on the label, then suddenly, the seizures are not a hazard anymore but a “minor side effect” without consequence. Go f.ck yourselves!

“…Calling it a “brain seizure” implies a whole level of risk that, with vaccines, doesn’t exist the way you claim.”

On the onehand, vax pushers tell us how dangerous mild child diseases are because in rare cases they can cause seizures, then in the same breath claim an an injectable product known to cause seizures in 1 pout of 14,000 is perfectly safe.

A special kind of jerkness is required to keep a straight face when caught in such a contradiction.

“…you are still trying to “protect” children from the wildly overblown
‘risks’ of vaccines by exposing them to the very real and serious risks
of disease.”

Far from overblown, vaccine risks are all of the following:

– Greatly unknown. Clinical studies conceal adverse events by using false adjuvants as “placebo”., which is scientific fraud.

– Grossly underrreported. As a result of no reporting system (most of the world) and a passive reporting system (US)

– Underacknowledged. As long as another probable cause is present, judges always decide i favour of vaccines.

Regarding the alleged “exposing them to the very real and serious risk of disease”, Two further points:

– The risk of a healthy person contracting infectious illness “X” cannot be calculated, fortelling “real and seriious disease” to a health y person is playing futurologist and fear mongering.
– Most of child diseases are mild, not the “killers” the vaccine industry wants to sell us. Even desirable for the boost of immunity they bring to a weel fed child.
– Infectious illnesses occur in rare “foci”, therefore exposure requires being on the wrong time on the wrong time and is extremely rare. Even if a healthy child is exposed, actual illness only occur in those weakened by a previous condition or by malnutrition.

For all of the above, vaccine benefits may have been overrated and the risk of potential adverse effects underestimated.

How does MS’s pertussis rate compare with other states? Answer: it is third best. First best is WV, which also has only medical exemptions. So, yes, for the mediocre pertussis vaccine, outbreaks still occur in states with high vaccination rates but less often than in states with low vaccination rates. This is not hard to grasp.

I’ll only mention in passing that you gave MS’s MMR rate, while discussing pertussis, suggesting you haven’t figured out which vaccine goes to which disease. In this case, it doesn’t matter, since MS also has one of the highest vax rates for pertussis.

It is impressive that you pack so many fallacies into one short post. Contrary to your belief that any vaccine that is not perfect is useless, the data show that more unvaccinated people get sick. So the vaccine is effective. Just not perfect. Neither are seat belts, child seats, or condoms. What conclusion are we supposed to draw?

You say 1:14000 is a high rate of seizures. In that case what is the rate of seizures from wild diseases? It’s many times larger than “high”. Is it astronomical or merely huge?

You would do better to try the vaccine/autism claim again. That claim is merely wrong. Your refusal to acknowledge the results of vaccines, often from data you yourself provide (Ukraine), is insane.

“..the data show that more unvaccinated people get sick”

You’re saying the 4,510 suspect cases (clinical measles) in Mexico 2014 were not sick?

Only the 2 that were lab confirmed were sick?

If you’re not in the “confirmed” list your illness does not exist?

Is hiding sick people under the carpet another “miracle” of vaccines?

Febrile seizure, believe it or not, does not depend on the fever being unusually high. That is why it is differentiated from “high fever”, and this exactly illustrates, also, why people with no medical understanding should not read brief leaflets and assume that they have a good understanding of the issue. (That’s you, hon, in case you need that clarified.) Medical professionals do not leap to the assumptions that you do for a reason.

If you HAD a functional bs detector, you wouldn’t believe all the anti-vaxx bs that you evidently subscribe to, and we wouldn’t have to have this conversation.

I’ll say this again: over and over you have spouted things which have been debunked, quite thoroughly, with reference to the actual science and law as well as with plain-English explanations of those. You keep repeating yourself anyway and making flatly false assertions in the apparent confident belief that you know what you’re talking about. This is not the sign of someone who has a bs detector. It’s the sign of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Once again, you illustrate exactly why someone with precisely zero understanding of the medical field should not be making pronouncements on public health.

If I explain this to you, what are the chances that you will take that on board?

Hint: we do not bother with lab confirmation of most measles because we know from long and clinically-confirmed experience that measles is more contagious than any other disease on earth — literally so. It is assumed because it is safe to assume, that any person who develops the symptoms of measles after exposure to measles, has measles.

The measles outbreak number of 4,500+ is even now classed as measles, if it involves the development of measles symptoms after exposure to a known measles case.

Is this genuinely too complicated for you to understand, or do you just not care if you understand, you’re going to stick to your story no-matter-what?

From your own link:

https://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/febrile_seizures/detail_febrile_seizures.htm

Most febrile seizures last only a few minutes and are accompanied by a fever above 101°F .

So it’s not “often above 100°F”, lying bastrd, but most above 101°F

A fever is considered “high” when >= 102°F (that is, above 101°F), see
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003090.htm

Therefore, the large majority of seizures caused by the vaccine cannot be attributed to fever, whether high or low, and you’re exposed as a lying shill.

Now bend over backwards until your head enters your colon again…

Febrile seizures were orders of magnitude more frequent than 1:14000 in the pre-vaccine era. What you want to do is freeload on the safety provided by everyone else’s vaccination: i.e., we’re keeping nasty germs away from your kids.

You are not a doctor. Seizures a common in life and not an injury. You fully recover nearly immediately. The chances anyone will have a noticeable seizure is 10% in your lifetime for no reason at all.
https://patient.info/doctor/first-seizure

Abnormal electrical activity is not brain damage. Deja Vu is a brain seizure. Leave medicine to the pros and stop pretending you know what you are talking about.

You need to be able to recognize fever seizures and know what to do. Any fever can cause them and there is no permanent damage.

Everything I said is true and you need to know it.

But you don’t. To quote YOU: “I’m just chelating myself and my daughter and we are getting better. And
all of the autistic mothers in my group, their children are getting
better too.”

I wish you didn’t have kids to torture with quack treatments.

Your kid would be recovering if you did nothing. That is what usually happens and autistic symptoms improve with age, That is the scam that charlatans pull. A number of people improve anyway and they point at them and claims successes.

Autism is genetic. Chelation does nothing for it.

It probably makes you feel better to impose quack treatment on your kid but that all it does. It makes you feel better because you think you are doing something. You are not helping your kid; you are just helping yourself.

Nope, and Nope, and Nope. Go build your straw man elsewhere. Here are the facts.

The vast majority of medical conditions clear up without medical intervention.

More than 10 percent of preschool-age children diagnosed with autism saw some improvement in their symptoms by age 6 and 20 percent of the children made some gains in everyday functioning, a new study found.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/some-kids-with-autism-show-improvement-by-age-6/
Yes, about 1/3 of autistic children see improvement without any treatment by the age of 6. That comes in very convenient for the charlatans who sell quack. They will always be able to claim a 1/3 improvement rate.
It’s a very old trick to pull on the naïve. Are you one of those?

you are just making Imaginary claims from a desperate person. You have zero evidence. On the other hand, the WHO documented that 145,700 people dies last year from the measles worldwide.

Are you going to personally provide them with sanitation, clean water, and rich nutrition? You just want them to not get the vaccine and die?

You didn’t answer the question.

Are you going to personally provide them with sanitation, clean water, and rich nutrition? You just want them to not get the vaccine and die?

So you would just prefer that the poor people fo the world die instead of getting a vaccine. So you are a racist that believes in eugenics. Not a surprise.

see, you’re an idiot. You just assumed that all those people were vaccinated when the vaccination rate in the third work is low. You are just full of bad ideas you just made up.

“inparts” moron, not in all. what makes you think its only Africa. the number is “worldwide”. You ARE just a racists.

You still think we are only talking about Africa, How cute.

Do I detect a moment of self reflection? Congratulations!

Sorry. You can NEVER make up for thinking vaccines are Homeopathic. You are a confirmed idiot AND a racists.

Actually I called him a eugenics racists since the things poor third worlders should just die from the measles instead of getting vaccines.
147,500 people died worldwide from the measles and he wants that number to grow.
How about you? Would you like a million brown people to die just to stop the measles vaccine?

We understand completely that you want the poorly fed to not be vaccinated and die. That’s very clear. It’s called eugenics.

Keep putting up funny memes you professional troll. Your bully tactics are an obvious indication of your intellectual weakness.

In contrast, when asked for the scientific evidence of your canned slogans you remain as moot as a straight in an LGBT topic area lol.

“..the cases and deaths occur there disproportionately”

There there’s lack of vaccination, the diagnostic criteria is clinical only as opposed to lab confirmed.

The result is a gross overestimation of the actual incidence, but very convenient to sell the need for vaccines!

This old WHO swindle is so engrained thati’s EXPLICITELY RECOMMENDED in the organization’s guidelines:

https://www.who.int/immunization/monitoring_surveillance/burden/vpd/surveillance_type/active/measles_standards/en/

WHO-recommended surveillance standard of measles
…

“Countries are advised to use the clinical classification scheme until their programmes meet the following two criteria:

– low level of measles incidence;

– access to a proficient measles laboratory (translation: WHO controlled)

The laboratory classification scheme should be used by countries in the low incidence or elimination phase

The WHO changes the diagnostic rules in the middle of the game, switching to a stricter diagnosis, inorder to make its vaccination campain appear “successful”.

the WHO documented that 145,700 people dies last year from the measles worldwide.

Well no, actually the WHO’s figure is an ASS-TIMATE.

Kids don’t die frm measles unless they’re malnourished, and if they are then they will die of anytthing anyway since malnourished bodies can’t fight any disease.

With the Hitler card you’ve hit the bottom of your argumentarium. It sucks to be you!

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was actually was MMS treatment she was using. they tend to call it something else so they don’t get charged with child abuse…

“…There is no telling what woo that woman and her friends have been sold”

This from a homeopathic vaccine woo salesman. Your face is made of bricks!

Safest human activity ever invented? Ha, safer than breathing, safer than pooping, blinking, thinking, drinking, seeing, peeing, dreaming creaming, pies that is, so vaccines are the safest things on the planet I guess. Twilight zone.

“…That stuff is evolutionary. It’s natural.”

So is the immune system that has evolved for millions of years, Einstein, yet you believe it’s defective and can’t function properly without vaccine homeopathic quakery.

“…So you think vaccines are “homeopathy’?

Vaccination and homeopathy are based on the same principle: what causes a disease will cure (prevent) the disease in smaller doses

But while homeopathy is placebo, vaccination is worse because the diluted cause (the antigen) is mixed with a long list of both controlled and uncontrolled substances (adjuvants, extraneous proteins, neurotoxins…) that cause random toxic reactions and random antibodies that may damage the patient’s own tissues… for life (autoimmune diseases).

I appreciate your capitulation, albeit a bit whiny at that.

Enlighten us, prove your hindtelligence.

How long is your whiny capitulation going to be? have you got enough kleenex?

it would be a good debate to argue of the dumbest anti-vaxxer on the internet but I think Vacunas has an edge. Vacunas actually thinks vaccines work homeopathically. On their worse day, eggman2 and Lowell Hubbs wouldn’t even try to sell that crap.
I’m not kidding. Do you have a dumber line from someone else?

There is no end to that idiot. He has set a new low bar.

“Do you have a dumber line from someone else?”

I do. Tristan Wells says that lung cancer and tuberculosis are the same disease.

What makes you assume the vaccine contains “smaller doses”, anyway?

To catch typhoid you need to swallow as few as 100 Salmonella typhi bacilli. The live typhoid vaccine contains millions.

“..you just copied this from one of my posts:”…The vast majority of medical conditions clear up without medical intervention”

By equating my statement to yours, you acknowledge that the immune system that has evolved for millions of years is not defective and can function properly without vaccine homeopathic quakery.

Now we all see who has trouble keeping her thoughts straight.

No, I said vaccines are the worst kind of homeopathy: toxic homeopathy. You’re not paying attention and therefore your pee is aiming off the bowl.

If you were as smart as you pretend to, you’d be proving me wrong. Instead, you’re whining like a schoolgirl.

If the natural immune system is so wonderful, why have billions of kids died from infectious diseases in the last century?

If the natural infant immune system is so wonderful, how is it that it is bettered with artificial help?

But…but… evolution means Sooper Dooper Peter T Hooper immunity, surely!
You mean eating the wrong stuff can just mess it up like that?
Sounds like immunity needs a bit of help from vaccines, huh?

“..Sounds like immunity needs a bit of help from vaccines, huh?

Obviously, the immune system has evolved to thrive on vaccines, not food.

However, 400 measles deaths a day among populations vaccinated to nearly 100% does not really qualify as “help”, does it?

“…And how many measles deaths per day were there in 0% vaccinated populations, Vacuous one?”

And how many would there be if the vaccine money would have been spent on improving their living conditions instead of being drained towards the US?

“..A measles vaccine costs less than $1.00”

In contrast, the logistics involved (maintaining the cold chain, injection equipment, multiple level managers, etc.) are cost-free, isn’t it, moron?

Jeesus! This moron truely believes measles viruses are lurking in the air. Next he’ll invoke zillions of studies that have proven it zillions of times and only exist in la-vax-land.

Here, moron, this is what stops measles from spreading:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7853750

The immune function and measles virus infection in three different socioeconomic child populations in Karachi, Pakistan.

“…These results suggest that the living environmental conditions of these different socioeconomic groups vary greatly and hygienic conditions must influence the chance of encountering infectious pathogens including measles virus…”

“…Do you have the vaguest concept of what “airborne transmission” means?”

Concepts are one dime a dozen. A bit harder is to provide primary scientific sources proving the concept is fact-based rather than wild speculation for lack of anything better to show.

How do you know these things were not invented? You know how we all came to be, oh please dish, can not wait to hear this one.

In total, 76 million people in the United States get sick and 5,000 people die each year from food-related illnesses.

Its safer to get vaccinated than it is to eat.

“…Its safer to get vaccinated than it is to eat.”

Obviously, since man is the result of millions of years of Evolution in a vaccine-rich environment, not a food-rich one, is that it?

When we thought the height of idiocy had been reached, Justthefact surprises us.

Divide the risk by the number of meals, stupider!

Go get 3 vaccines a day like you get 3 meals, smart ass, then come back to me. Your understanding of maths tells me you make a living by cleaning skid marks off public toilets.

Your “logic” works like this:

Cyanide kills less that 20 people a year. In contrast, 5,000 people die every year from eating, therefore food is more poisonous than cyanide.

Don’t forget to flush when you leave!

I am familiar with vaccine inserts, and there are only a very small number of vaccines which can cause encephalopathy or encephalitis. This is vanishingly rare, so for MMR vaccine for instance it is less than one in a million vaccine shots.

Your implication is that vaccines cause autism, which at supposed prevalence rates would mean that vaccines would cause “encephalitis/encephalopathy” in one in 40 children.
Your numbers don’t add up, but that is always one of the antivaxers’ problems, isn’t it?

Oh, don’t tell us you don’t know the difference between an adverse event and a side effect, Vacunas.

It’s legal CYA.

Brain damage is listed on the inserts, try again.