EDITORIAL: Mandatory vaccination reform must be among 2016 Colorado legislative goals

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The long list of pressing issues facing the Legislature for the 2016 session keeps growing: spiraling college costs, unaffordable health care, gun control, deteriorating roads. But the one issue facing all of Colorado that can’t go untended this session is vaccination.

Colorado regularly ranks worst or near-worst in the nation for vaccination rates, and it’s costing lives, health and millions of dollars.

The problem stems from past legislators, succumbing to fake science and political pressure, who were either sympathetic to odd parents who didn’t want to vaccinate their children, or shortsighted in thinking that making it easy to “opt-out” of mandatory vaccines was just no big deal.

The root of most of this building crisis comes from a discredited study run by a discredited doctor to tie autism to childhood vaccinations, and the U.S. media bought the hoax hook, line and sinker, helping to legitimize it. The groundless claim and fake study have since been debunked endless times. There is not one reputable pediatrician, pediatric organization, hospital, clinic or researcher that does not vehemently work to debunk the autism lie and beg parents to vaccinate their children.

In Colorado, it’s much easier to say that you don’t want to vaccinate children than to prove that you have.

Many lawmakers and much of the public erroneously believed that since the bulk of the “herd” was vaccinated against potentially lethal diseases such as measles, polio and whooping cough, we’re all protected.

They’re wrong. Dead wrong for some people. The incidence of those diseases continues to increase as vaccination rates decline. Last year reports of deaths of people with depressed immune systems sounded an alarm for all of us: Colorado, and the country, is at grave risk.

One death followed a measles outbreak at Disneyland earlier this year that sickened 100 people, all because foolish, misled, selfish people have avoided childhood vaccination rules.

Real scientists and medical professionals have been unequivocal: The purported danger of childhood vaccines are lies. Dangerous lies.

Colorado must join California in solving an ailing public health problem that’s easy to cure. This summer, California virtually eliminated all exemptions to that state’s childhood vaccination policy.

“The science is clear that vaccines dramatically protect children against a number of infectious and dangerous diseases,” said Gov. Jerry Brown. “While it’s true that no medical intervention is without risk, the evidence shows that immunization powerfully benefits and protects the community.”

California now requires every child who attends a public school or college to undergo vaccination. Colorado must do the same thing to prevent death and disease caused by irresponsible and reckless parents.

The state cannot command these vaccinations, but lawmakers certainly can force scofflaws to stay away from public programs and venues. Schools, rec centers, colleges, day cares and employers should all demand that people comply with vaccination programs.

A sorry response by Colorado lawmakers earlier this year does nothing but increase reporting of vaccination rates and make it only slightly less easy to not vaccinate school-age children.

It’s almost unthinkable that a country like the United States would slide back decades in health care progress, risking the lives of millions of Americans potentially exposed to diseases we nearly eradicated — because of lies, laziness or ignorant fear.

But parents still won’t listen and comply. So the only answer is to change the law. Follow California’s lead here and prevent needless death and disease here in Colorado.

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Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago

Good luck in your efforts to make Colorado safer from disease, protecting all children and adults.

I know many people worked heroically on the previous legislation, and it’s sad that some of your senators let extremist undermine a reasonable change and refused to make schools safer. Better luck forward.

Tannim
Tannim
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

And here we have the Chief Paid Troll, the Queen of Shilliness, who does nothing but pollute the Internet with her pro-poison nonsense…

Jeffry John Aufderheide
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

That is quite a remarkable statement, Dorit. Considering Senator Richard Pan was being directed by paid lobbyists Norman Janus, Jodi Hicks, and Katherine De Burgh.

You should be personally familiar with Katherine De Burgh because she is also a part of the same organization, California Immunization Coalition, that you have presented at many times along with Dr. Paul Offit and many others you associate with.

I am also quite confident that the person who authored this opinion piece is likely associated to Voices for Vaccines – another organization you are involved with.

Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago

I do recommend studying more about the political process. Consulting with lobbyists who have familiarity with the subject matter or with politics is very common and expected – it doesn’t mean the lobbyists were directing anything. It’s hardly surprising the California Immunization Coalition supported pro-vaccine legislation – or that I, and Dr. Offit, have presented at a non-profit whose goal is promoting immunization, given our stated support for protecting children from disease. Trying to present any of that as some conspiracy is a little weird.

Dr. Pan clearly chose knowingly to go forward with SB277. His experience with AB2109 taught him he will face harassment and attacks from the anti-vaccine extremists, and he did. Nonetheless he courageously acted to protect children and the public health. I have a lot of respect for him on that score.

To my knowledge, the author is not affiliated with Voices for Vaccines, though I would urge her, given her views, to join and to donate. I would point out that membership in a non-profit that supports your views is hardly a conspiracy either.

Jeffry John Aufderheide
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

I also recommend parents study more on the companies that fund the organizations you belong to. It’s quite eye-opening.

Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago

I do understand that it’s hard to argue when the data is against you, and a shill or conspiracy argument is often all that is left. But it really doesn’t change data.

I have no idea where California’s Immunization Coalition gets its funding. But frankly, volunteering with pro vaccine organizations, regardless where they get donations, can’t show much except that I do, in fact, support protecting children from diseases via vaccines – and thats no secret. I support vaccines, as does every health authority in the world, local state or national, because they save lives and have very few risks. You don’t need a conspiracy theory to know i think that.

Tannim
Tannim
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

In other words, denial is not just a river in Egypt. It’s Dorit’s blood type.

Jeffry John Aufderheide
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

I also understand it is difficult to discuss financial motives and profits. Most people can recognize money can influence people and the decisions they make. To ignore that money can do this to people is dangerous.

I can also understand that you do not want to be perceived as profiting from being a shareholder in a pharmaceutical company.

Katia
Katia
6 years ago

Do you have a 401K? Do you know all the stocks it’s invested in?

Colin
6 years ago

If you own any mutual funds, you are also a shareholder in pharmaceutical companies. The idea that being a stock owner is the only reason someone would advocate vaccination is bizarre, given how small the profits of such ownership would be. And of course, given that there are basically no epidemiologists or neurologists or immunologists who think that vaccines are dangerous or ineffective, it’s bizarre to think that the only reason someone would agree with the consensus of experts is a shadowy conspiracy.

Jeffry John Aufderheide
Reply to  Colin

Your statements defy logic.

Katia
Katia
6 years ago

You don’t think mutual funds have pharmaceutical stocks in their portfolios? Do you think the earth is flat, too?

Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago

People can recognize that financial motives matter. Volunteering in a non-profit isn’t one of those motives, though, however you like to pretend it is.

Jeffry John Aufderheide
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

Dorit, I know it is difficult for you to just come out and say it.

Do you or your family own stock in a pharmaceutical company that may financially support a non-profit organization that you volunteer for?

Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago

It’s not a secret that my family owns stock in GSK. But then, that wasn’t the argument you used. This issue doesn’t really have to do much with weaving a complex conspiracy theory around Voices for Vaccines and the CIC. You could just ask that, and get a direct answer.

Jeffry John Aufderheide
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

You like to label anyone who disagrees with you as an extremist or a conspiracy theorist.

It’s really quite simple.

Money.

For those with eyes to see and ears to hear – the lobbyists mentioned above, working for/with Senator Pan are documented working for organizations supported financially by pharmaceutical companies.

Richard Pan has also received considerable financial contributions from pharmaceutical companies.

The organization(s) that you also volunteer for… and are invested in – pharmaceutical companies.

No conspiracy. Just follow the money, Dorit.

Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago

Sigh. No conspiracy, but there’s a conspiracy between lobbyists, non profits and pharma. Please reread what you wrote.

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

Ms Reiss, Senator Pan is on video, taking instructions from a lobbyist during the Sb277 proceedings.

Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

No, Senator Pan is seen talking to a lobbyist. He is allowed to talk to people.

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

Not what I see on the video, at the what do I do moment in the Senate.

https://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/lobbyist-calling-the-shots-for-sb277-community-outpour-ignored

Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

You think you can conclude from the video that he is taking instructions from anyone? Okay.

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

From the article

After passing the Sacramento Health Committee vote, the bill was delayed as committee chair Senator Carol Liu wisely told the bill’s author Richard Pan “If I were you, I would not take a vote today.” At the conclusion of the vote, Liu asked Senator Pan point blank how he wanted to proceed.

To this, Pan, appearing to have no power to make the decision, turned to lobbyist Jodi Hicks and Janus Norman……

A shining moment for the power of lobbyists.

Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

It’s unclear why the article thought Dr. Pan had no power to make the decision. As the Senator proposing the bill, of course he had. But an implausible interpretation in an anti-vaccine article is not exactly evidence Dr. Pan was taking instructions from anyone. He could ask anyone he wanted to for opinion or advice.

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

“He could ask anyone he wanted to for..advice”
And he did.
He asked the lobbyist.

Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

Yup. That’s not taking instructions – from anyone.

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

Not taking instructions, he just asked the lobbyist for advice on what to do…okay. Got it.

Justthefacts
Justthefacts
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

And Dr Pan just survived the recall attempt. A shining moment for the weakness of the loony anti-vaxx movement.

suz norkan
suz norkan
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

Agreed! With body language being at over 55% of the 3 tools used for interpreting our communication [ even over words and tone] I saw a nervous and CONFUSED individual looking to the lobbyists for answers on how to reply!

Only someone who is insincere or imperceptive would conclude anything else after studying the video, Graceds!

Proponent
Proponent
6 years ago
Reply to  suz norkan

scuz norkan: “With body language being at over 55% of the 3 tools used for interpreting our communication.. .”

That is misleading and not quite true.

If mentioning the 55/38/7 numbers, one should clearly state that this applies to certain situations and importantly, it should not be used as a deciding factor to try and understand the situation. A proper analysis needs to occur to fully grasp what the person’s current emotions are at that moment.

suz norkan
suz norkan
6 years ago
Reply to  Proponent

You can take your derailing train wreck up with these people!

https://www.bodylanguageexpert.co.uk/communication-what-percentage-body-language.html

MY comment backed Graced’s reply to Dorit, that ANY unbiased individual can absolutely ascertain that pan was being coached.

I vote we call in an expert lip reader for a precise analysis! 😉

Try to comprehend the words within the CONTEXT of the communication, parrot Pro!

Proponent
Proponent
6 years ago
Reply to  suz norkan

Sorry, you are incorrect as usual.

Once more for the reading impaired..

“If mentioning the 55/38/7 numbers, one should clearly state that this
applies to certain situations and importantly, it should not be used as a deciding factor to try and understand the situation.”

That said..

You are still persona non grata in my book, scuz.

suz norkan
suz norkan
6 years ago
Reply to  Proponent

Your erroneous ‘off topic’ ad homming is showing A -gain! [sic]

The current ‘sub-subject’ was pan being coached by pharma lobbyists during the senate hearings.

And stop stealing my shtick, PARROT pro!

Proponent
Proponent
6 years ago
Reply to  suz norkan

No.. the current ‘sub-subject’.. brought up by you, scuz, was the following in your post..

scuz norkan: “I saw a nervous and CONFUSED individual looking to the lobbyists for answers on how to reply!

Only someone who is insincere or imperceptive would conclude anything else after studying the video, Graceds!”

… …

Now that this has been clarified..

Still.. persona non grata in my book, scuz,

suz norkan
suz norkan
6 years ago
Reply to  Proponent

Nope, PARROT breath!

See several comments between Graceds and Dorit on the actions of pan in the video; what is legal to be communicated by lobbyists during such hearings, and whether pan was being coached or not.

You don’t have the cognition to ‘clarify’ anything, and I’m sure you had to look up my line to Borings, [persona non grata]!

C’est la vie! Once a witless PARROT, always a witless PARROT, PARROT pro! 😉

Proponent
Proponent
6 years ago
Reply to  suz norkan

scuz norkan: “I vote we call in an expert lip reader for a precise analysis!”

“CONCLUSIONS

Qualitatively, the scores reflect the difficulty of lip reading in an open-set sentence recognition task. Mean-word-recognition accuracy scores were barely greater than 10% correct. Further, any individual who achieved a CUNY lip-reading score of 30% correct is considered an outlier, giving them a T-score of nearly 80—three times the standard deviation from the mean. A lip-reading recognition accuracy score of 45% correct places an individual 5 standard deviations above the mean.”

(Source: Some normative data on lip-reading skills (L) )

Persona non grata troll.. has failed … a -gain.

suz norkan
suz norkan
6 years ago
Reply to  Proponent

Ad homming, trolling, spamming and PARROTING Proponent has created yet another derailing train wreck; being too incognizant to keep up in common conversation.

And now because you seem to be a pesky little bug, like one that I’d previously deemed ‘persona non grata’, which you now ALSO witlessly parrot, I shall call you my parrota non grata!

Har d har! You surely seem to want to revisit your recent parody stupidity, parrota non grata! Bwa haha! 😉

Proponent
Proponent
6 years ago
Reply to  suz norkan

Sure.. trollalota non grata.

Either/or.. still.. persona non grata, scuz.

suz norkan
suz norkan
6 years ago
Reply to  Proponent

Nah! Borings remains ‘persona non grata’ to suz, which is where you pilfered your present, PARROTED posts.

Further, please take some remedial reading classes before attempting to contend with the grownups!

You’re just FLOUNCY parrota non grata, parrot Pro! Har d har! 😉

Sia
Sia
6 years ago
Reply to  suz norkan

Given the history of one particular luminary, it is entirely reasonable to be nervous.

suz norkan
suz norkan
6 years ago
Reply to  Sia

Grasshopper, it’s crystal clear that you don’t have a CLUE! Ask mommy to ‘splain it to you! 😉

Jeffry John Aufderheide
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

Sigh. Yes, reread what I wrote.

Verna Lang
Verna Lang
6 years ago

Cuba has a 99% vaccination rate and plenty of research dedicated to vaccines. Who would have thought that Fidel Castro was such a capitalist in thrall to pharmaceutical companies? By your own arguments, money must be the only deciding factor behind vaccinations.

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago

But there doesn’t seem to be any money to follow, Jeffry.

You do seem to be obsessed with trying to discredit Dorit on extremely flimsy grounds regarding conflict of interest.

Maybe that is because you cannot successfully argue against the content of her posts?

Watson
Watson
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

Ha.

I’ve never seen this lying Aufderheide fraud argue anything successfully, even in the relative safety of his own website.

Katia
Katia
6 years ago
Reply to  Watson

Which is?

Watson
Watson
6 years ago
Reply to  Katia

He owns Vactruth com

Katia
Katia
6 years ago
Reply to  Watson

Oh, God.

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Watson

Troll.

Watson
Watson
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

I live in Colorado, Graceds. I’m very familiar with Mr. Aufderheide.

Meet Jeffry John Aufderheide, a man who lies about his Navy career and claims vaccines contain aborted fetuses and mouse brains. Oh, and he’s a leader of the anti-vaxx movement.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/06/the-navy-fraud-fronting-the-anti-vaxxer-movement.html

ione murphy
ione murphy
6 years ago
Reply to  Watson

“claims vaccines contain mouse brains” I think we can dismiss anything else you rant about

Mouse brain-derived Japanese encephalitis vaccine

Extract from report of GACVS meeting of 9-10 June 2005, published in the WHO Weekly Epidemiological Record on 15 July 2005

The Committee considered the decision taken by the Government of Japan on 30 May 2005 to suspend routine vaccination with the mouse brain-derived Japanese encephalitis (JE) vaccine currently used in Japan.3 This decision followed a review by the Japanese national advisory committee on vaccine adverse events of a single case of acute disseminated encephalomyelitis following JE vaccination and the national committee’s conclusion that it could not rule out a causal link with the vaccine”..https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/committee/topics/japanese_encephalitis/mouse_brain_derived/June_2005/en/.

Watson
Watson
6 years ago
Reply to  ione murphy

Another troll who uses the “imperial we.” The quote is copied from the article I linked.

ione murphy
ione murphy
6 years ago
Reply to  Watson

So you are quoting from a source that doesn’t know what the hell they are talking about. Nothing unusual about that. Carry on.

Watson
Watson
6 years ago
Reply to  ione murphy

The Daily Beast is not the Daily Caller. You seem to have the two confused.

If there was an error in the article, Mr. Aufderheide should demand a retraction. It’s clearly defamatory. Along with Jeffry’s mouse brains claim, the author states as fact that Aufderheide lies about his Navy career.

Mr. Aufderheide cannot demand a retraction, though, because every word in the article is true.

Dumb Dumb
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

Proof the anti-vaxxers do not read the article.

Jeffry John Aufderheide
Reply to  Mike Stevens

There isn’t?

I would be curious to see how you know this.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

Doris posts are mere cockatooing of canned slogans handed over to her by her pharma sponsors.

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago

Pharma shill gambit.
Boring, boring.
The first resort of the intellectually vacuous, the malignantly stupid, and those who can’t argue the science.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

Conflict of interests is not flimsy grounds, let alone “extreme” flimsy. Your posts amount to slogans and chatter.

Proponent
Proponent
6 years ago

Jeffry John Aufderheide: “Richard Pan has also received considerable financial contributions from pharmaceutical companies.”

You’ve not stated any source or sources, Jeffy.

Allow me.. and let’s have a look at the total contributions made to Dr. Richard Pan.. which, are a matter of public record..

In-State …………………………… $1,102,612.01
Out-Of-State ……………………. $258,855.51
Unknown State …………………. $0.00
Party Committee ………………. $0.00
Leadership Committee ………. $0.00
Personal Funds ………………… $6,750.00
Individual Contributions ……… $164,292.39
Unitemized ………………………. $6,921.35
Public Funding ………………….. $0.00
Non-Contribution ……………….. $0.00
Institutions and Companies …. $0.00
Other ……………………………….. $276,639.59

Total Contributions ………………1268

Total ………………………………… $1,361,467.52

(Source: Vote Smart | Richard Pan’s Campaign Finances )

Oops..

… …

Adding in..

Have you looked into the campaign contributions to those that dissented and voted ‘nay’ against SB277, Jeffy?

Didn’t think so..

Joel Anderson Republican (Elected 2010), Senate District 38
California Medical Association … $15,700

“California Medical Association is an advocacy organization that represents more than 40,000 California physicians.

Dedicated to the health of Californians, CMA is active in the legal, legislative, reimbursement and regulatory areas on behalf of California physicians and their patients.”

Guess what ran on the CMA website during the month of August?

“Each year in August, National Immunization Awareness Month provides an opportunity for providers to highlight the value of immunization across all ages. Activities focus on encouraging people to protect their health by being vaccinated against infectious diseases.

The National Public Health Information Coalition has developed, in collaboration with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Immunization Awareness Month Communication Toolkits to help providers communicate with their patients about the importance of vaccination.”

(Source: CMA | News | “August is National Immunization Awareness Month” )

Oops.. again.

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago

Perhaps you should track down my response to this accusation elsewhere (look at my profile).
I calculated that for every 1% increase in global GSK vaccine revenue that Dorit can “engineer” through her posts, her family stands to make $15 for every $10,000 of stock they hold.

Now that’s a real powerful conflict of interest, huh?

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

Numbers pulled out of your ass vs. conflict of interest.

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago

Realistic numbers, but clearly not to your liking.

Watson
Watson
6 years ago

Was it money that influenced you to lie about your career in the Navy, Mr. Aufderheide?

The Navy Fraud Fronting the Anti-Vaxxer Movement
https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/06/the-navy-fraud-fronting-the-anti-vaxxer-movement.html

As websites inflating the dangers of vaccines go, VacTruth com is a beautifully built disaster, one that’s won a seal of approval from 75,000 followers and mommy bloggers nationwide.

But the 37-year-old Coloradoan behind it, Jeffry John Aufderheide, isn’t what his glossy website would have you believe. Vaccines just one of the many conspiracies in his rolodex—he’s also a 9/11 truther, gun-rights fanatic, and Infowars darling. Oh, and he lies about his time in the Navy.

Were you a Navy SEAL, a rescue swimmer with top secret clearance, or actually just a low level IT guy. Perceptions are everything.

Jeffry John Aufderheide
Reply to  Watson

Perhaps you can be more specific as to what I allegedly have lied about regarding my time in the military? Thanks.

Watson
Watson
6 years ago

The Navy Fraud Fronting the Anti-Vaxxer Movement
https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/06/the-navy-fraud-fronting-the-anti-vaxxer-movement.html

“Jeffry John Aufderheide, isn’t what his glossy website would have you believe. Vaccines just one of the many conspiracies in his rolodex—he’s also a 9/11 truther, gun-rights fanatic, and Infowars darling. Oh, and he lies about his time in the Navy.

“The Navy discredited Aufderheide’s claim that he served as a ‘rescue swimmer,’ stating that he actually served four years as an Information Systems Technician, Third Class. ‘This is all the releasable information we have,’ Sharon Anderson, the Chief of Naval Personnel Public Affairs, told The Daily Beast in an email. According to the job description on the organization’s website, Aufderheide’s role closely resembled that of an IT guy, one who acted as ‘admin on mainframe computers’ and ‘management’ on internal databases. A necessary position, it’s less the life-saving Navy SEAL that ‘rescue swimmer’ with ‘top secret clearance’ implies.”

The Daily Beast published this on February 06, 2015.

Jeffry John Aufderheide
Reply to  Watson

As I mentioned below, you can ask the alleged reporter, who I declined to interview with, if she has access to validate clearances. Normally there is a process to follow and access (FSO / SO) required to confirm.

https://www.clearancejobs.com/security_clearance_faq.pdf
https://www.navycs.com/navy-jobs/information-systems.html

Regarding being a rescue swimmer. I graduated from Surface Rescue Swimmer School in Jacksonville, FL in 1997.

You can see from the article she spoke with a public affairs officer and not an FSO/SO. I’m sure you can appreciate the difference. Additionally, I would also like you to provide the time and place I ever referenced Navy SEAL being any part of my job description while I served. Thanks.

Watson
Watson
6 years ago

In the alternative, if you think The Daily Beast erred, you could ask the publisher to remove or correct their report.

The author outright calls you a liar and a phony, someone lacking any medical credentials or credibility who makes his living presenting false information in a way it appears factual, and exploiting the inexperience of his readers.

It’s clearly defamatory, if wrong.

Jeffry John Aufderheide
Reply to  Watson

Again, if you can please provide where I have falsified my military experience, outside of the Daily Beast, I really would appreciate your source.

They do not have access to my background information, unless they are collaborating with the Chinese government and/or have access to classified documents.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cybersecurity-cyberattack-idUSKCN0T62K420151117

Justthefacts
Justthefacts
6 years ago

The Navy discredited Aufderheide’s claim that he served as a “rescue swimmer,” stating that he actually served four years as an Information Systems Technician, Third Class. “This is all the releasable information we have,” Sharon Anderson, the Chief of Naval Personnel Public Affairs, told The Daily Beast in an email. According to the job description on the organization’s website, Aufderheide’s role closely resembled that of an IT guy, one who acted as “admin on mainframe computers” and “management” on internal databases. A necessary position, it’s less the life-saving Navy SEAL that “rescue swimmer” with “top secret clearance” implies

So Sharon Anderson, the Chief of Naval Personnel Public Affairs,
says you are a liar and she doesn’t work for the Daily Beast.

Jeffry John Aufderheide
Reply to  Justthefacts

She said that? You must have access to the email, then. Fascinating.

Justthefacts
Justthefacts
6 years ago

The daily beast cited that source. Go sue them if it’s false. None of us will be holding or breath waiting for that to happen.

We have seen your site. You have no problem lying.

Jeffry John Aufderheide
Reply to  Justthefacts

And you are saying the Chief of Naval Personnel Public Affairs called me a liar?

Justthefacts
Justthefacts
6 years ago

The Daily Beast said that the Chief of Naval Personnel Public Affairs called you a liar. I just know that you you lie about so many things on your site, it’s likely that it’s true.

Get you lawyer and go set that right. Be my guest!

Watson
Watson
6 years ago

Better yet, since, in the past 9 months you have taken no action correct the statements in The Daily Beast article and cannot, let’s accept these as statements of fact:

“Meet Jeffry John Aufderheide, a man who lies about his Navy career…”

“Vaccines just one of the many conspiracies in his rolodex—he’s also a 9/11 truther, gun-rights fanatic, and Infowars darling. Oh, and he lies about his time in the Navy.”

“The Navy discredited Aufderheide’s claim that he served as a ‘rescue swimmer,’ stating that he actually served four years as an Information Systems Technician, Third Class.”

You lied about your military service. That’s a fact, Mr. Aufderheide. A reasonable person might ask, what else will you lie about?

Jeffry John Aufderheide
Reply to  Watson

I served my country with honor. I haven’t lied about my military service at all. You will likely accept any statement the Daily Beast puts out as fact, as long as you agree with it.

Watson
Watson
6 years ago

You received an honorable discharge; that much is true.

The author was quite fair with you, much more than I would have been.

ione murphy
ione murphy
6 years ago

You know what’s funny about this? I not too long ago posted something that came from that same newspaper, and was ridiculed for using a tabloid rag as my source of evidence.

Argus
Argus
6 years ago

Hi Jeffy,
Please tell us about how you profit from that little website you run.
And while you are at it, why don’t you clear up those questions about whether your claims to have been a certified rescue swimmer in the Navy with top secret clearance are true? Your silence on this matter has been telling.

Jeffry John Aufderheide
Reply to  Argus

Hi Greg,

I’m really glad you asked.

You can ask the alleged reporter, who I declined to interview with, if she has access to validate clearances. Normally there is a process to follow and access (FSO / SO) required to confirm.

https://www.clearancejobs.com/security_clearance_faq.pdf

https://www.navycs.com/navy-jobs/information-systems.html

Regarding being a rescue swimmer. I graduated from Surface Rescue Swimmer School in Jacksonville, FL in 1997.

Argus
Argus
6 years ago

And what grade did you pass? CAT I, CAT II, or Aviation SAR?

Jeffry John Aufderheide
Reply to  Argus

Greg,

As I stated above, I was a Surface Rescue Swimmer. CAT I is passing the initial class and CAT II is for, as it states in the description, anyone who was not at sea for a year (such as a recruiter).

I was assigned to a ship, not an air squadron.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

California’s Immunization Coalition are psychopaths asking to inject babies with mercury. As the letter below proves, they are more concerned about the industry’s problems to sell product than the actual health needs of Californian kids.

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=29587
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Dear Secretary Dooley:

Re: Request for temporary exemption for use of thimerosal-containing vaccine

Due to delays in the delivery of preservative-free flu vaccine across the U.S., we request a temporary exemption be granted to allow health care providers in California to administer thimerosal-containing vaccine to children under three years of age and pregnant women.

The United States is experiencing a national shortage of Fluzone pediatric pre-filled syringes, manufactured by Sanofi Pasteur. This is the only preservative-free injectable vaccine that can be administered to children ages 6-35 months under California law (California Health and Safety Code Section 124172 ). Additionally the delivery of FluMist, the live attenuated influenza vaccine (LAIV) that is administered intranasally, is also delayed throughout the country. FluMist has no preservative and can be administered to a two-year old child if there are no contraindications. The manufacturer reports that the vaccine is delayed due to production and shipping issues…

Kris E. Calvin
Executive Director
American Academy of Pediatrics CA

Susan Hogeland, CAE
Executive Vice President
California Academy of Family Physicians

Erika Jenssen, MPH
President
California Immunization Coalition

Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago

Since the tiny amounts of thimerosal in vaccines were studied and not shown harmful, and since influenza is dangerous to pregnant women and young babies, the CIC and other organizations are asking the secretary to waive the restriction on providing influenza vaccines with thimerosal until the shortage of no-thimerosal vaccines is done. This will allow pregnant women who want to protect themselves against a dangerous disease and parents who want to protect their young children against it to do so, rather than be denied because of a shortage.

I’m sorry you see it as a negative thing that these organizations are acting to provide access to those who want it to vaccines against influenza. I think it’s a good thing.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

Another contradiction: thimerosal is “safe mercury” but, contrary other adjuvants, it has been eliminated in vaccines as a “precautionary measure” (admission of risk) https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/

Now here comes the California Immunization Coalition asking to f..k precautionary measures and pump kids with anything the industry has in stock and could not sell. Helping the kids or the industry?

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

“…I’m sorry you see it as a negative thing that these organizations are acting to provide access to those who want it to vaccines against influenza. I think it’s a good thing.

This is the real story behnd influenza vaccines:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20614424

Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2010

“The review showed that reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin but there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions and spurious notoriety of the studies.”

So your “benefactors of children” are pushing unproven, fraudulent flu vaccines in their most toxic variety and doing it against all consensual precautionary principles. We should all kiss their as…es for that?

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago

So a provaccine organisation supported vaccination and vaccination legislation…..Shock! Horror!

….So aorry, I had to sit down there for a moment, I felt so faint.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

If you’re not horrified by forcing of risky medical procedures upon healthy children then you must be a psychopathy case.

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago

I absolutely am horrified by people conducting unnecessary, high risk procedures on children.
That’s why I totally abhor what Wakefield did to those poor autistic kids, who had to undergo general anaesthesia, lumbar punctures and total colonoscopies all in the name of his “research”.

However, regarding the “procedure” of vaccination, I am in favour, since the health benefits greatly exceed the possible harm.

ione murphy
ione murphy
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

On March 10, 2004, The Alliance for Human Research Protection (AHRP) filed a complaint with the FDA and the federal Office of Human Research Protection. That complaint prompted two separate investigations by the FDA and AHRP, plus articles in the New York Post and a BBC documentary. The complaint prompted an Associated Press (AP) investigation into over four dozen studies being conducted in at least seven states. In Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, New York, North Carolina, Colorado and Texas, the investigation found that 13,878 children had been enrolled in pediatric AIDS studies funded by the government since the late 1980s. source; Sourcewatch org foster child drug trials

“The role of pharmaceutical companies came up at a hearing convened by the Committee on General Welfare of the New York City Council in which the commissioner of NYC’s Administration of Chilren’s Services (ACS) was grilled about the unethical drug experiments that were conducted on at least 645 infants and children who were under the guardianship of ACS.

The children were exposed to experimental AIDS drugs and vaccines in Phase I and Phase II trials sponsored by the National Institutes of Health, often in concert with drug manufacturers. All institutions and government agencies involved have been unforthcoming about the trials and the fate of the children”.

One after another Council member expressed his disgust with “the moral turpitude of pharmaceutical companies” whose involvement in the trials raises red flags about the financial underpinnings of the trials.”

ione murphy
ione murphy
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

Dr. Krugman’s career came under a shadow in the late 1960’s after accusations that he had used retarded children at the Willowbrook State School on Staten Island as human guinea pigs for his hepatitis vaccine research.
From 1958 to 1964 feces was taken from children who had Hepatitis, put in milkshakes and fed to newly admitted children for experimentation purposes
. https://www.friendshipcircle.org/blog/2011/10/24/willowbrook-how-the-government-abused-children-with-special-needs/

On Oct. 4, 1960, The Times reported that a vaccine developed by Dr. John F. Enders of Harvard and colleagues, using the measles virus itself, was being tested in New York City. With what today would appear as serene indifference, the reporter wrote that it was being given to 1,500 “retarded children” at the Willowbrook School on Staten Island.”..https://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/05/health/05first.html?_r=0

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago
Reply to  ione murphy

Presumably giving kids hepatitis is not a harmful thing, though?
But, but…. I thought that according to antivax folklore, all these diseases are “harmless”, and so therefore not worth preventing through vaccination.
Or have you been misdirecting us all over these last 5 years or so?

ione murphy
ione murphy
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

You seem to enjoy hearing about children being used for unethical medical experiments Mike. Why don’t you crack some jokes for everybody reading about dead babies who were used for vaccine experiments and sewage tanks…I know you will come up with something twisted. Maybe we have uncovered the identify of our mystery commenter who liked to talk about using children for sex and torture

“Over 2,000 care-home kids were secretly vaccinated against diphtheria in the 1930s in medical trials undertaken by international drugs giant Burroughs Wellcome, Irish media reveal. Among the testing sites was a recently discovered mass grave.

What I have found is just the tip of a very large and submerged iceberg,” Dwyer told the paper. “The fact that reports of these trials were published in the most prestigious medical journals suggests that this type of human experimentation was largely accepted by medical practitioners and facilitated by authorities in charge of children’s residential institutions.”

Following the discovery and reports of medical tests, Irish Premier Enda Kenny ordered ministers to search for further mass baby graves.

https://rt.com/news/164884-irish-baby-scandal-vaccines/

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago
Reply to  ione murphy

Aren’t your CTRL, C and V keys worn out yet, Ione?
Or do you get a new keyboard each week from that paycheck you get shilling for BigBabyCoffins?

ione murphy
ione murphy
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

Enders and Katz approached the Walter E. Fernald State School near Waltham, Massachusetts. Conducting a clinical trial among institutionalized children raised significant ethical questions. Indeed, just 10 years earlier, the Fernald School had permitted nontherapeutic nutritional studies without informing families that their children were being given radioisotopes.10 Given that research ethics in the 1950s remained largely unregulated, some historians have argued that the Nuremberg code’s powerful articulation of informed consent in 1946 had little impact on American research until the 1960s.11

Although the domestic eradication of measles proved to be more difficult than optimists in the late 1960s predicted, the remarkable safety record of measles vaccine (incorporated into Merck’s MMR combination against measles, mumps, and rubella in 1971) is worth noting. In contrast to whole-cell pertussis and live polio vaccines, which were at the center of highly visible vaccine-safety controversies in the 1970s and 80s, measles vaccine enjoyed wide public acceptance. It figured prominently in the rise of school mandates as a strategy for promoting vaccination.16

***Families who declined it did so not so much for reasons of safety than questioning the clinical severity of measles (as was the case, ironically, with David Edmonston’s decision not to vaccinate his own son).17***

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/128/3/435.full

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago
Reply to  ione murphy

Tut tut tut, Ione, caught lying again…..

Such selective “cherry picking”, trying (and failing yet again) to make vaccines seem to be some monstrous, evil curse forced upon unsuspecting kids.

Here is the next sentence from the article you deliberately selectively quoted:
“In this light, it is notable that Katz explained the trial in person to every parent, and the ensuing article clearly stated that no child was given the vaccine without written parental consent.”
This confirming the ethical correctness of these measles vaccine studies.

However, thanks Ione for including their conclusion:
“the remarkable safety record of measles vaccine
(incorporated into Merck’s MMR combination against measles, mumps, and rubella in 1971) is worth noting.”

And BTW, thanks for the fascinating reference to early measles vaccine trials – quite enlightening, and very revealing as to the marvellous success of measles vaccination!

ione murphy
ione murphy
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

I didn’t know you were a fan of history Mike. Here is some more for you then…

“The largest contributor to the fund to elect Hitler in 1933 was I.G. Farben, which committed itself for 80 percent of the total. IG Farben included BASF, Bayer, Hoechst,(now Sanofi-Aventis.) and other German chemical and pharmaceutical companies.

As documents show, IG Farben was intimately involved with the human experimental atrocities committed by Mengele at Auschwitz.

all IG Farben pharmaceuticals were marketed under the Bayer trademark.

Throughout the Nazi era, Bayer was the control center for IG Farben human experiments. And on February 17, 1999, a lawsuit was filed in U.S. District on behalf of Eva Mozes Kor one of 180 surviving twin children (out of 1,500) who had been subjected to medical experiments at Auschwitz. The suit charged Bayer, of collaborating with Dr. Josef Mengele (the “Angel of Death”) to commit medical atrocities for profit. Eventually the case was settled out of court.

The correspondence between BAYER and the Auschwitz concentration camp gruesomely documented experiments on humans. BAYER put an order for 150 women, necessary for new experiments. They were deemed as “sufficient” despite “their miserable state of health” after “delivery”. There it meant, “the experiment have been carried out. All test objects are dead. We would like to inform you that we will be needing a new delivery shortly.”

Between 1933 and 1945, I.G. Farben played a central role in the Nazi economy. During World War II, the company manufactured poison gas, Zyklon B, used at extermination camps and employed forced and slave labor. Several company directors and senior managers were tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

I.G. Farben Trial in Nuremberg (1947/48) In late July 1948, the sentence was pronounced: 10 of the defendants were acquitted of all charges, and 13 were sentenced to prison terms, none exceeding eight years. In 1951, the last of the men convicted were pardoned and released from prison. IG Farben board member, Fritz ter Meer became the chairman of the board for BAYER in 1956. He said during the Nuremberg trials on the topic of human experiments that “concentration camp prisoners were not subjected to exceptional suffering, because they would have been killed anyway”.

In its verdict, the court concluded: “The evidence does not justify the conclusion that the supervisory board or the defendants Mann,(Bayer) Hörlein (BASF), or Wurster (Hoechst) as its members had a decisive influence on the business policies of DEGESCH or prosecutable knowledge of the intended purpose of its products. The supervisory board seldom met and the reports made to the supervisory board members did not contain much factual information In either the scale of production nor the fact that large quantities were shipped to concentration camps, seen alone, is sufficient to conclude that the persons who had knowledge of these facts must also have known of the criminal purpose to which the gas [Zyklon B] was put.”

In the sixth trial subsequent to the Trial of the Major War Criminals in Nuremberg (Case VI), starting in May 1947, 24 I.G. Farben executives were arraigned before an American military tribunal, charged with planning and preparation of wars of aggression, plundering and spoliation of annexed and occupied countries, and participation in the slave labor program and policy of genocide of the National Socialist regime. During the proceedings, the prosecution and the defense exhibited countless numbers of documents, including photos of the construction site annotated by the factory manager of I.G. Auschwitz, Walther Dürrfeld. Numerous witnesses were heard, including survivors of the Buna/Monowitz concentration camp and former British prisoners of war from I.G. Auschwitz.

In late July 1948, the sentence was pronounced: 10 of the defendants were acquitted of all charges, and 13 were sentenced to prison terms, none exceeding eight years. In 1951, the last of the men convicted were pardoned and released from prison. IG Farben board member, Fritz ter Meer became the chairman of the board for BAYER in 1956. He said during the Nuremberg trials on the topic of human experiments that “concentration camp prisoners were not subjected to exceptional suffering, because they would have been killed anyway”.

Eleven of the IG Farben managers were set free. Six received prison sentences from 18 months to 3 years. Ter Meer received a 7 year sentence, while Ambros and Dürrfeld received eight years. All those convicted were released from prison early. Some were included in the succeeding management team of the IG Farben Cartel.

Bayer, BASF and Hoechst considered themselves to be free of any legal obligations arising from I.G.’s history. Bayer, BASF and Hoechst rejected all compensation demands by former forced laborers until the late 1990s. They argued that the decartelization of I.G. Farben had created “three organizationally and completely new and independent companies that bore “no responsibility for the atrocities of the Nazi terror against forced laborers.” But these were the same three companies that had initiated the creation of the I.G. Farbin.

Hoechst AG merged in 1999 with Rhône-Poulenc to form the pharmaceuticals giant Aventis S.A., spinning off its remaining chemicals activities to the new Celanese AG. Aventis merged in 2004 with Sanofi-Synthélabo to form Sanofi-Aventis.”

ione murphy
ione murphy
6 years ago
Reply to  ione murphy

And what has Bayer been up to since their leader died?

“In 2006 it was revealed that Bayer Corporation had discovered that their injection drug, which was used by hemophiliacs, was contaminated with the HIV virus. Internal documents prove that after they knew the drug was contaminated, and they took it off the U.S. market, they dumped it in Europe, Asia and South America, knowingly exposing thousands, most of them children, to the live HIV virus. Government officials in France went to prison for allowing the drug to be distributed. The documents show that the FDA colluded with Bayer to cover-up the scandal and allowed the deadly drug to be distributed globally. No Bayer executives ever faced arrest or prosecution in the United States.

Thousands of hemophiliacs filed a class-action lawsuit a against Bayer Corp, Baxter Healthcare Corp., and several other companies, claiming they knowingly sold blood contaminated with HIV and hepatitis C. Thousands of hemophiliacs have unnecessarily died from AIDS and many thousands more are infected with HIV or hepatitis C, many of them children.”

Bayer Admits It Paid “Millions” in HIV Infection Cases — Just Not in English
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bayer-admits-it-paid-millions-in-hiv-infection-cases-just-not-in-english/

Yaz Stroke, Heart Attack Settlement to Result in Payment of Another $56.9M August 5, 2015
Bayer Healthcare has agreed to pay about $57 million to settle Yaz lawsuits and Yasmin lawsuits involving arterial thromboembolism (ATE) injuries, such as strokes and heart attacks, potentially resolving about 1,200 of the remaining cases over the controversial birth control pills. –
See more at: https://www.aboutlawsuits.com/yaz-ate-settlement-85557/#sthash.P0c5IsRX.dpuf

Yaz Settlements for Pulmonary Embolism, DVT May Top $1.5 Billion – See more at: https://www.aboutlawsuits.com/bayer-settled-yaz-yasmin-lawsuits-36353/#sthash.WvjZNhIm.dpuf

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago
Reply to  ione murphy

TL;DR beyond the second line.
And to answer your question, no, I am not a fan of your Godwinning, revisionist, copy-pasta, antivax vomit, Ione.

PS: I see you have decided to furiously handwave and goal-post shift once again.
Why was that? Couldn’t explain your lies about the measles vaccine study consent?

ione murphy
ione murphy
6 years ago

The editor of this paper, has written other articles as biased and uninformed as this one. He clearly enjoys stirring up the hornets nest, maybe just for the extra publicity. .. https://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/05/07/aurora-sentinel-editor-gets-death-threats-after-anti-nra-column/

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

Forcing invasive treatments on healthy people in the absence of an immediate and identified epidemic threat will always be illegal. The lower laws of these petty pharma-paid politicians are written on toilet paper and cannot be enforced.

Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago

Actually, every state and federal court looking at the issue upheld school immunization requirements. The fact that they protect two valuable interests – a child’s right to health and the public health – gives them a very compelling basis.

Tannim
Tannim
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

Pierce vs. Society of Sisters is controlling law, not those lower court errors.

Try again. You just keep digging the hole deeper. You might hit China someday.

Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago
Reply to  Tannim

To remind you, around the same time as Pierce the Supreme Court upheld school immunization requirements in Zucht v. King, and reaffirmed that in Prince v. Massachusetts. These state and federal courts are following Supreme Court precedent as well as sound public policy.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

Public health forceful measures are only applicable in emergency situations, which is not the case for routine vaccines. Kids that are not vaccinated have the same right to education as those who are, as is recognized in most of the civilized world.

Katia
Katia
6 years ago

“Public health forceful measures are only applicable in emergency situations, which is not the case for routine vaccines. ”

Wrong! Jacobson vs Massachusetts has been used to support mandatory immunizations for school attendance.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1508701?query=TOC&&
“In 1890, the Supreme Court of California upheld a state law requiring vaccination to attend school (Abeel v. Clark). Fifteen years later in Jacobson v. Massachusetts, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected a claim that a Massachusetts vaccination mandate not linked to school entry violated the constitutional right to due process of law. Later, the Court applied Jacobson in Zucht v. King (1922) to reject a challenge to school-entry mandates in Texas.”

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Katia

1890? Truly you live under modern laws. What’s next, Sharia law?

Katia
Katia
6 years ago

It hasn’t been overturned, jag!

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Katia

Jagette.

Katia
Katia
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

Not a term used in Pittsburgh, where the word originates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagoff

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Katia

🙂

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Katia

Jacobsen vs Massachusetts supported the decision to force sterilize.
Not a sterling association.

Katia
Katia
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

That is the nuttiest thing you’ve ever said Grace. Jacobson v Mass is about vaccination!

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/case.html

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Katia

Prophetically, in 1927, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendall Holmes, Jr. invoked the Jacobson v. Massachusetts “greater good” utilitarian decision to justify using the heel of the boot of the State to force the sterilization of a young Virginia woman, Carrie Buck, who doctors and social workers incorrectly judged to be mentally retarded like they said her mother was.16 In a chilling statement endorsing eugenics,17 Holmes revealed the morally corrupt core of utilitarianism that still props up mandatory vaccination laws in the U.S.

Pointing to the Jacobson vs. Massachusetts decision, Holmes declared that the state of Virginia could force Carrie Buck to be sterilized to protect society from mentally retarded people. Coldly, Holmes proclaimed, “three generations of imbeciles are enough” and “The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the fallopian tubes.”18

“The 1905 U.S. Supreme Court majority made fundamental scientific and ethical errors in their ruling in Jacobson v. Massachusetts. It is clear that medical doctors cannot predict ahead of time who will be injured or die from vaccination and that is a scientific fact.19 20”
https://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/12/jacobson-v-massachusetts-state-police-powers-affirmed/

Katia
Katia
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

Er, Jacobson v Mass was in 1905. So 22 years later a DIFFERENT Supreme Court used to justify a DIFFERENT case? Big Whoop, Grace.

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
6 years ago
Reply to  Katia

what does ”jag” mean?

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Katia

This is what the law looks like in a country that doesn’t allow industrial lobbies to legislate:

Daycare centres cannot refuse to accept unvaccinated children: minister. https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/04/daycare_cannot_refuse_to_accep/

Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago
Reply to  Katia

And quoted affirmatively in Prince v. Massachusetts in 1944.

Colin
6 years ago

“Public health forceful measures are only applicable in emergency situations, which is not the case for routine vaccines.”

No such measures are being proposed here. Following California’s lead would mean making vaccination a prerequisite to public school attendance; parents can homeschool if they like. No one is forcibly vaccinating anyone.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Colin

The laws falsely assume unvaccinated kids are infectious, then impose a discrimination measure based on said false assumption. On the same breath, the law assumes vaccines are effective, in which case vaccinated kids would be protected regardless of how many unvaxed kids are in the class. It’s the law by imbeciles that had no shame in contradicting themselves if there’s money to be made.

Colin
6 years ago

The law does not assume either of those things. It assumes, consistent with the consensus of actual medical experts, that unvaccinated people are more likely to contract vaccine-preventable diseases. People with vaccine-preventable diseases are infectious, not just unvaccinated people generally.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Colin

The vaccinated can be very infectious carriers, for example, the OPV amounts to a forced infection and implants a virus where there might have been none to begin with. The dyphthera and tetanus vaccines don’t prevent infections because they target a toxin, not the infectious agent, turning the vaccinated into unwitting spreaders of the microbes.

The bottom line is: unvaccinated kids pose no risk to vaccinated kids. It’s rather the other way around.

The grounds for banning unvaccinated kids from school are bogus and contrary to consensual science. This is acknowledged by European governments less influenced in their lawmaking by industrial lobbies, such as Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, etc. where no one can be banned from schools on vaccination grounds.

Colin
6 years ago

OPV hasn’t been used in the United States in about two decades; if you’re reaching for that in order to complain about proposed Colorado legislation, then neither one of us thinks you have a leg to stand on.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Colin

There are other live vaccines that also amount to force infections actually in use in the USA.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Colin

There are other live vaccines that also amount to force infections actually in use in the USA.

https://www.vaccines.gov/more_info/types/#live

“…an attenuated microbe in the vaccine could revert to a virulent form and cause disease”

Nobody can be legally forced to expose their kids to this.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Colin

There are many other live vaccines in the US schedule that amount to forced infection of kids:

https://www.vaccines.gov/more_info/types/

“…an attenuated microbe in the vaccine could revert to a virulent form and cause disease”

Exposing healthy kids to a certain infection is child abuse, pure and simple.

Colin
6 years ago

There are very few live vaccines used in the United States, and none that present a serious risk of shedding. The Immune Deficiency Foundation specifically recommends that parents not avoid vaccination other than the OPV virus, which as noted is not used in this country anyway.

I hope that readers obseve the rapid shift in your arguments: you will be forcibly vaccinated (false), the law assumes unvaccinated kids are infectious (false and irrelevant), vaccinated people are carriers of disease (false), and now vaccines are “certain infection.” All of your talking points are wrong, and yet you don’t blink an eye when that’s pointed out. You just shift to a new talking point.

This is ideology, not reasoning. Anti-vax scaremongerers have a belief that vaccines are bad and scary, and search endlessly for facts that support that belief. When they can’t find one, they invent one. Anything to support the myth that vaccines are bad and scary.

Please don’t let urban legends scare you out of taking the best possible care of your child. Vaccines save lives. They are not a giant conspiracy. That’s why actual doctors recommend vaccines and vaccinate their own children.

jenny
jenny
6 years ago
Reply to  Colin

IPV or OPV is used in the USA. In 2006 my child received it. I am looking at his immunization schedule as I type this out. Poliomyelitis. Poliometitis. He actually had three 12/4/2006. 3/6/2007 5/10/2007. Or perhaps the University of Utah where he received his vaccinations wrote it down incorrectly. The immunization record sheet that goes along with him wherever he goes has it on it so I’m wondering why you would say that they don’t use it in the United States anymore when clearly they do they did on my child is he just the only one thee anomaly?

Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago

Public health measures are also used to prevent emergency situations and harms, actually.

It’s a shame that kids whose parents refuse to protect against diseases – vaccine-deprived kids – may also find their educational opportunities limited because of their parents’ mistaken choice. However, that’s a balance between actually forcing vaccines and allowing the non-vaccinating parents to force the risk they impose on their own children on the child’s classmate. The state could require vaccination and criminally penalize the non-vaccinating parents. But states are not comfortable going that far. So they allow parents not to vaccinate – and limit the ability of those parents to export the risk to the rest of the community.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

Assuming vaccines are effective, protection only happens in the presence of an identified, concrete and measurable epidemc threat. In the absence of said threat, the only risk to a kid’s health is the vaccine itself.

Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago

No. Protection happens any time there’s exposure to the disease. There doesn’t have to be an epidemic threat. If a child is exposed to an infected traveler, or to an infected individual that’s not a traveler, or – like in the San Diego 2008 outbreak, an unvaccinated child is taken abroad to where measles is endemic (in that case Europe), a child can be infected.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

Infected travellers are an extremely rare occurrence. You can’t base public health interventions on rare occurrences, let alone force them, yet this is what vaccine policy is about. 99% of kids are never exposed and get vaccinated for nothing, their only of risk being the vaccine itself.

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

No reason to keep a healthy child out of school.

Dorit Reiss
Dorit Reiss
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

Once an unvaccinated child is exposed to the disease – for example, if her parents take her to Europe where measles is endemic, or if rates drop in the school and herd immunity no longer protects her from her parents’ error – she is likely to no longer be healthy.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss

Always blaming foreigners. Measles is a mild disease. Most cases of (rare) measles deaths happen among previously vaccinated adults. Herd immunity cannot exist unless 95% of the population are immune, but since most vaccine-induced antibodies (assuming they’re protective, which remains unproven) wane in anything from 2 to 10 years, by the age of 30 no adult remains immune. Herd Immunity is another canned slogan with no link to reality.

CharlieB1972
CharlieB1972
6 years ago

Well then, measles should be raging through the population born between 1963 and 1985, and to a lesser extent, adults born after 1985. But it isn’t. We have a few hundred cases per year, and if the vaccine offered only temporary immunity, we would be having a lot more.

Why is that? Could it be that the vaccine offers lifetime immunity?

BTW, measles killed 2.6 million people per year in 1980. Thanks to vaccines, we reduced that below 120,000 in 2014, and that was because of vaccines.

Sia
Sia
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

Yeah but by the time we know your kid’s not healthy, it’s too late.

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Dorit Reiss
Sia
Sia
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

Then either homeschool or get all the vaccines from GSK. Done.

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Sia

Or keep the rights Colorado has now.
Done and done!

Sia
Sia
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

Wrong – those aren’t rights.

Federal rule has already … well… ruled on them. What those things Colorado has are?

They’re state privileges or state entitlements.

Rights come with these things called Responsibilities.

Christopher Hickie
Christopher Hickie
6 years ago

If vaccination rates do not improve, vaccine-preventable disease outbreaks will continue and also increase. It is a shame that it took the measles outbreak in California to cause a change for the better in California vaccine laws–a shame because parents should realize that vaccines are safe, effective and protect against diseases the maim and kill. Other states with similarly high levels of non-vaccination (such as Colorado, and Arizona, where I live) can either do as California did and eliminate non-medical vaccine exemptions, of they cansuffer more vaccine-preventable disease outbreaks. As a pediatrician practicing where there have been measles and whooping cough outbreaks due to low vaccination rates, thank you for your editorial.

Katia
Katia
6 years ago

It seems to always take a crisis. It took the measles epidemic of 1989-91 to get some action going re: immunizations, and it took this outbreak in CA to reignite that.

One person from Colorado did get measles from exposure at Disney after he returned. He went to some type of medical office (urgent care, ER, I can’t remember what) and a lab while sick and no one else here got it. I think our immunization rates are better than they look on paper. I do hope the legislature does the right thing this time around, as opposed to what they did two years ago, which was to way water down the final bill. It is going to be a little harder to get an exemption this upcoming school year.

Verna Lang
Verna Lang
6 years ago
Reply to  Katia

What many people do not know about the Disney outbreak is that it was carried back to Canada by a family that came from a religious community in Quebec that shuns vaccinations. It resulted in over 130 confirmed cases of measles, largely confined to the same unvaccinated religious group. This incident illustrates how mobile an infectious disease can be if vaccinations are avoided by even a small percentage of individuals.

kfunk937
kfunk937
6 years ago
Reply to  Verna Lang

So the US became an exporter to two countries (CA, and Mexico). SMH.

Verna Lang
Verna Lang
6 years ago
Reply to  kfunk937

Probably lucky there weren’t more people visiting Disney from areas in Europe where vaccination rates are low.

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Verna Lang

The Disneyland strain was one circulating in the Philippines.

Verna Lang
Verna Lang
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

Thank you for reinforcing the point that diseases like measles can be spread throughout the globe by passengers on airlines. Large, localized numbers of unvaccinated people make it more likely that disease will find a vulnerable pool of people once an infectious passenger lands.

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Verna Lang

Best hide under your bed, Verna.
Your afraid of Europeans, afraid of people who haven’t gotten every injection pharma wants to sell, afraid of people who travel, afraid of people with religious objections….

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

I’d imagine Verna isn’t afraid at all, having been vaccinated.
But like her, I am afraid for the more weak and vulnerable in our society such as the infants too young to be vaccinated, and those who are ill or unable to be vaccinated because of their illness or other treatments.

But then us provaxers tend to be a thoughtful and caring lot, while you antivaxers are pretty selfish, demonstrating your “I’m all right Jack! Sod the rest of you!” attitude at every turn.

Mike P
Mike P
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

May i suggest looking into the intricate properties of breast milk and the passive immunity benefits from naturally acquired measles on your day off. There is natural natal protection to a certain degree in the properties of breast milk. The body is an amazing thing that apparently we as a society have deemed defective; replaced for plastic immunity and health. Are you aware of the importance of the neonatal immune system to remain in an anti-inflammatory state for the first several years? Are you aware of the potent anti-inflammatory properties that breast milk has in order to successfully carry that job out? If so, ask yourself why that could possibly be…

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike P

“May i suggest looking into the intricate properties of breast milk and
the passive immunity benefits from naturally acquired measles on your
day off.”

That amazing maternal immunity and protective breast milk seems to have resulted in the deaths of millions of kids in continents like Africa (prior to introduction of vaccines).
I wonder why they are so puny?

Katia
Katia
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike P

Several years? Surely you jest. Breast milk antibodies are “passive”, meaning the baby’s body doesn’t make them. They come from his/her mother, and they break down quickly. As the child starts taking solids, s/he gets less breast milk, therefore less antibody. In addition, the antibodies mostly remain in the gut. Maternal antibodies from the placenta are gone in about 6 months.
https://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2006/03/tales_from_the_nursery.html
https://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/04/29/infdis.jit143.full

sabelmouse
sabelmouse
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike P

we don’t even know if mikey is fully sapient.

Verna Lang
Verna Lang
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

I pointed out facts about a recent outbreak of measles that could have easily taken the life of someone who is immunocompromised or too young to receive their shots. You interpret that as personal fear. I am old enough to have some scars from the measles I went through as a child. I don’t recommend the experience if it can be avoided. I’m curious, though. Do you often make such leaps in logic totally without supporting evidence?

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Verna Lang

The risks from vaccinations of death, neurological and brain damage, and autoimmune disease are just as real.
Many more died from the MMR vaccine than from the measles in the US, over the last decade.

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

Many more died from the MMR vaccine than from the measles in the US.

Firstly, the so called MMR deaths are unverified and unlikely to be causal. Secondly, why do you think there has been only one acute measles death in the last year?

I’ll tell you why…because thanks to universal vaccination, there were only a few hundred cases of measles nationwide in total, compared to the 3 million cases and 450 deaths that used to happen every year prevaccine.

You know this, I have discussed this with you many times before, so why you keep misrepresenting the issue is a sign of your calculated malice rather than integrity.

Katia
Katia
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

Lying liars lie lots.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

Unverified does not imply unlikely. What’s more, timing has a high weight in the criteria to determine causality.

Underreporting is a known problem of any passive adverse event reporting system. It is estimated that VAERS only reports 10% of all cases.

Even in the hypothetical case that there was no underreporting and that only 10% of the cases were causal, we’re still left with more deaths linked to the measles vaccine than are caused by me measles.

When the remedy is worse than the disease it is time to stop with he remedy.

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago

“It is estimated that VAERS only reports 10% of all cases.”
Can you point to the original scientific publication or evidence for this claim?

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, analysis of VAERS claims has shown that only 3% are definitively linked to the putative vaccine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23063829

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

“…analysis of VAERS claims has shown that only 3% are definitively linked to the putative vaccine.”

By the same logic, all measles deaths in the Western world occur on people that had a previous condition as the real cause of death (and they’re often vaccinated adults). Despite that, the vax-pushers use these deaths to raise alarm and call for forced vaccination.

Additionally, three points that fly your head:

1. When that 3% of vaccine damage is equal or larger than the equivalent damage by the infections targeted by the corresponding vaccines, Houston we have a problem!

2. Vaccine damage is permanent and incurable (paralysis, autoimmune disease) unlike most of the so-called “vaccine preventable diseases” which are curable and mild.

3. Even if the 3% were far below the level damage caused by the infections targeted by the corresponding vaccines, if such vaccines are proven ineffective (read: flu, mumps, whooping cough) then the risk is also unacceptable.

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago

But the risk of damage from the diseases is usually several orders of magnitude higher than the risk of damages from the vaccines.
That’s the bit you don’t quite grasp, do you.

Alternateively, you could come up with a disease where the complications of the vaccine are higher than complicationsof the illness….
What disease will you choose? Rabies? Tetanus? Diphtheria? Measles? HiB? Mumps?

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

“…But the risk of damage from the diseases is usually several orders of magnitude higher than the risk of damages from the vaccines.”

Back to slogan mode! I have a test for you:

– Let’s say disease X causes 1 death out of 2 cases (50% mortality rate)

– Let’s say the vaccine against disease X has 1:1,000,000 (0.0001%) adverse event rate (death and paralysis).

Question: Would you conclude vaccine X has a positive benefit/risk ratio?

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago

Can you name a disease?

Sia
Sia
6 years ago

Obviously. 50% death rate from disease rate is magnitudes higher death rate than less than 0.0001% .

Plus, that’s adverse events so that 0.0001% is an over-count . .

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Sia

Wrong! it depends of the incidence of X.

If the incidence of X is below 1 in 500,000 people then the vaccine causes more damage than the disease.

Please to expose your ignorance, “epidemiologist” LOL

Sia
Sia
6 years ago

Herd immunity is a conditional probability sum to figure it out, you whackaloon.

Again, I have no desire to freeride on my more responsible neighbours.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Sia

“…Herd immunity.”

With vax antibodies waning after 2 – 10 ten years (depending on subject and vaccine), by the age of 20 few are still immune in your herd. By the age of 30 nobody is immune (being kind and assuming vax antibodies give protection).

Therefore “vaccine herd immunity” is a theoretical construct which in practice doesn’t exist.

In spite of it, the streets aren’t littered with corpses, contrary to the what the apologists of vaccines constantly predict.

Conclussion: factors other than vaccines are preventing the spreading of infectious disease.

Sia
Sia
6 years ago

That’s what boosters are for. Next.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Sia

“..That’s what boosters are for.”

And adults are NOT taking.

Streets should be littered with corpeses according with “herd immunity” theory, so where ae they? You’re a FAIL.

Sia
Sia
6 years ago

Just because you don’t understand a theory doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Sia

Any theory that makes wrong predictions is wrong.

Vaccine theory is not “exceptional” as science-illiterate apologists seem to believe.

Sia
Sia
6 years ago

That’s for pertussis, diptheria and tetanus.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Sia

“…That’s for pertussis, diptheria and tetanus.”

Add polio to your list:

Persistence of protective antibodies following immunization with OPV.

Intervention: ≥3-­4 doses of oral poliovirus vaccine

Low scientific evidence for ≥80% long-­‐term (>5-­10 years) persistence of protective antibodies following ≥3-­4 doses of OPV.

You’re ignorant and proud of it!

Sia
Sia
6 years ago

That’s a series, not boosters.

OPV isn’t used in America.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Sia

“…That’s a series, not boosters.”

Irrelevant in a planet where adults use no freaking boosters.

“…OPV isn’t used in America..”

How did I know you wouldn’t even READ the report? LOL!

look again, sport,

Persistence of protective antibodies following immunization with IPV.

(Table III2))
Intervention: ≥3-­4 doses of inactivated poliovirus vaccine

Low scientific evidence for ≥80% long-­‐term (>5-­10 years) persistence of protective antibodies following ≥3-­4 doses of IPV.

You dig wallowing in your own ignorance, don’t you?

Sia
Sia
6 years ago

Okay, I should have said not routinely used in America.

Series aren’t boosters.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Sia

“.. I should have said not routinely used in America.”

It’s the I-P-V ! You say the IPV is not routinely used in America?

I’d have a more meaningful conversation with a seagul!

Sia
Sia
6 years ago

I said OPV wasn’t routinely used in America.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Sia

The IPV is and it does not contribute to herd immunity.

Katia
Katia
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

I think he already has rabies.

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Katia

Better get your shots, Katia.

Katia
Katia
6 years ago

Some of those 3% are simply sore arms, fevers and rashes that resolve on their own. The rate of serious injury is infinitesimal.

Most vaccine injury is reversible as well, even GBS. Damage from many of the vaccine-preventable diseases is permanent and incurable, e.g. hearing loss, vision loss, brain damage, paralysis.

None of those vaccines are ineffective. Flu is probably the least effective of these, and even it is usually about 60% effective. Pertussis vaccine gets a bad rap. There is at least a 2 1/2 times greater chance of getting pertussis if you just live in an area with a lot of unvaccinated people. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/09/25/226147147/vaccine-refusals-fueled-californias-whooping-cough-epidemic Mumps vaccine may be “only” 85% effective. Considering that pre-vaccine, almost 100% of people got mumps, that’s pretty good.

Vacunas Autismo
Vacunas Autismo
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

The reason “measles” is not causing 450 deaths is due to the stricter criteria for diagnostic measles among the vaccinated.

The prevaccine criteria were: “rash + fever + rhnitis”. If the same criteria were kept today we’d be seeing the same number of “measles” deaths we saw prevaccine.

Verna Lang
Verna Lang
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

Bingo! Thank you for answering my question about your leaps of logic. Again, a statement totally without any solid evidence backing it up.

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

Yes – brought back to the USA by unvaccinated missionaries, I believe.

Graceds
Graceds
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

There was no source for the Disneyland outbreak, Mike.

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago
Reply to  Graceds

No, but the measles strain was from the Phillipines, as you yourself stated correctly.

Katia
Katia
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike Stevens

That was the Ohio outbreak. No one knows who Patient Zero was in the Disney outbreak, nor where s/he came from.

Mike P
Mike P
6 years ago
Reply to  Verna Lang

“What many people do not know about the Disney outbreak is that it was carried back to Canada by a family that came from a religious community in Quebec that shuns vaccinations.”

What caca poo poo that statement is. The real reason its not known by many people is because it is simply untrue. Patient zero has never been identified and fabricating such a lie is a bastard attempt at manipulating the population through fear and blame in order to justify mandates…$$$$$$$$$$!!

Verna Lang
Verna Lang
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike P

Try reading the comment again. I didn’t say anything about patient zero or where the Disney strain originated. I was talking about what happened to a visitor to Disney that returned to Quebec and brought the measles with them. They then shared them generously with other members of their community that were known to be unvaccinated. Their travel plans, the match for the Disney strain and their religious objections to vaccination were all well known. Before you start tossing insults and accusations you should make more of an attempt to actually understand what you are frothing at the mouth about. It would make you look like less of an idiot.

Tannim
Tannim
6 years ago

Try again, learn how the immune system actually works, and the actual history of hygiene, sanitation, and nutrition as they relate to disease reduction, then get back to us educated folks when you get past the propaganda nonsense into actual science.

In the meantime, best return your medical degree to the 7-11 you bought it from.

Christopher Hickie
Christopher Hickie
6 years ago
Reply to  Tannim

There’s a reason I expelled anti-vax families from my practice. You are it.

Tannim
Tannim
6 years ago

So when will you quit practicing and do it for real?

Explain the Th1 and Th2 immune responses in relation to cytokine production and the entire immune system. When you can do so, get back to us. In the meantime, your 7-11 trip awaits.

P.S. I wouldn’t use you for a doctor, either. I prefer intelligent people.

Mike Stevens
Mike Stevens
6 years ago
Reply to  Tannim

I wish there were a shorthand version for writing out “Dunning-Kruger”.
It gets tedious my having to do it so often in these discussions.

Jeffry John Aufderheide

Yes. Bow to your authority.

Reality022
Reality022
6 years ago
Reply to  Tannim

The readers are posed with a decision here – who to assign more credibility in regards to science and medicine.
Dr. Hickie who is not only a pediatriciian (MD), but also a scientist (PhD)
or
Various anti-science, anti-vaccine k00ks who are high school dropouts and hoping for a promotion to supervisor of the deep fryer.

Tough decision.

Colin
6 years ago
Reply to  Tannim