Voters overwhelmingly back Aurora pit bull ban

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AURORA | By a 2-to-1 margin, Aurora voters say they don’t want pit bulls to return to the city, based on early returns.

With more than 70,000 votes counted across Adams and Arapahoe counties so far, voters have overwhelmingly said no to Aurora ballot question 2D, which would lift the city’s 9-year-old ban on the dogs.

In Arapahoe County, 68 percent of voters said no. In Adams County, 63 percent voted against lifting the ban.

Aurora officials agreed July 14 to ask voters to repeal the city's decade-old ban on pit bulls (File photo by AP Photo/Orlin Wagner)The issue has been extremely contentious for years in Aurora, but especially since the city council pitched the question to voters. The issue has drawn national attention, from both critics and proponents of the ban.

Colleen Lynn, a supporter of breed bans and founder of the group dogsbite.org, said she was happy with the outcome in Aurora, but a bit surprised by the margin of victory for the ban.

“I didn’t expect it to be this big,” she said.

Lynn said that while pit bull supporters are often very public and vocal in their support for the breed, there are many people who oppose the breed but don’t want to speak publicly about it.

“We believe that the majority of Americans do not want to live next door to a pit bull period. And that is usually a very silent majority,” she said.

Lynn said that’s why her group supports ballot measures like Aurora, because they give people a chance to privately voice their concerns about the animals.

Under the city’s current rules, three breeds of dogs commonly recognized as pit bulls — American pit bull terriers, American Staffordshire terriers and Staffordshire bull terriers — are banned within the city limits. When city council first enacted the ban in 2005, there were 10 breeds barred from the city, but council in 2011 softened the ban to just three breeds and gave owners a chance to have their dog DNA-tested to prove whether they were in fact a banned breed.

Dogs who were already in the city at the time of the ban were allowed to stay if their owners paid a registration fee and followed certain restrictions.

According to the city’s numbers, about 90 registered pit bulls remain in the city, down from about 500 when the ban took effect. The city has euthanized more than 1,100 restricted-breed dogs since the ban.

Opponents of the ban have argued that the law should focus on irresponsible dog owners as opposed to specific breeds.

But supporters of banning the dogs, which include the city’s Animal Care Division, have said pit bulls are more dangerous than other breeds and should be barred from Aurora. Plus, opponents say, because Denver and other cities have similar bans, Aurora would become a dumping ground for dogs barred from other cities.

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AgendaBuster
AgendaBuster
8 years ago

I think the ban is good for these cities, I’d like to see the ban expanded. Here in Larimer county would be a great place to add a ban on Pit Bulls.

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Jodie
Jodie
8 years ago
Reply to  josephmoore264

spam

Mary Ann Redfern
Mary Ann Redfern
8 years ago
Reply to  Jodie

I flagged it. Did you?

Jodie
Jodie
8 years ago

Yup, I sure did.

Jodie
Jodie
8 years ago

thanks, lets hope other flag it too.

Yotie
Yotie
8 years ago

It sounds legit.. 🙂

Donkey Hotay
8 years ago
Reply to  AgendaBuster

… and Ban the OWNERS too.

Debbie Bell
Debbie Bell
8 years ago

We do blame the humans, the uneducated uncaring humans who choose to acquire pit bulls!

We don’t blame the dogs. Dogs aren’t reading these posts anyway.

The problem is on the other end of the leash, the bully people are the problem. So we can either ban ownership of bully dogs, or in other areas enact mandatory sterilization of all pits, pit mixes, all dog aggressive dogs.

Pit bully people have used the slogan “you can judge the morality of a country by how they treat their animals.”

If we, the USA and UK, were compassionate thinking people, there would be no need for breed bans because no one would be breeding bully dogs.

John D Wayne
John D Wayne
8 years ago
Reply to  Debbie Bell

Who needs fighting breeds when dog fighting is banned anyway.

Rachel of Cyberia
Rachel of Cyberia
8 years ago
Reply to  John D Wayne

and look how well that works

Mary Ann Redfern
Mary Ann Redfern
8 years ago

It would work GREAT if there were NO pit bulls. Dog fighting is illegal in all 50 states in the USA and has been since 1976. There is no longer a “need” for fighting breeds to exist. The dog men who brought this unfortunate breed about in England over 200 years ago did NOT have a “lap dog” in mind when they bred it. The bull and terrier breed, as dog men called it, was bred for fighting each other in pits for the vulgar entertainment of blood thirsty gamblers. That was their entire reason for being and there was NO OTHER. If pit bulls are allowed to die out by a stringent spay/neuter program across the country it will end dog fighting in the USA and it will save the lives and limbs of thousands of human, pet and livestock victims of pit bull attack. Now, do you understand?

coop
coop
8 years ago

Pit bulls are not the only dogs that attack people and live stock..you can make any dog into a fighting dog..small mind people will destory this world. It funny how people are so excited about this win but its a loss for all dogs. Which breed will be next on the list? To bad you cant breed ignorance out of people..

T. Jensen
T. Jensen
8 years ago

Ann, you are so stupid. They would just train Rotties how to fight, which they do now also. I have a Pit and have had over 20 dogs in my life and he is the best one by far! They are loving, giving, and very smart dogs. There just needs to be more harsher laws for dog fighting. Have you ever met a Pit Bull? Did you ever watch the Little Rascals, that dog was a Pit, and played with those kids all day and never heard of anyone getting bitten. My mail lady tells her subs to “not to worry over the Pit at address XXX, but watch the stupid Chihuahua’s at address XXX as I have been bitten 3 times from them.” So lets get ride of those little suckers as they bite, oh, but they “do not lock their jaws”, neither do Pits.

ban dumb people
ban dumb people
8 years ago

So in all your brilliance you’re telling me that by banning pitbulls it will end dog fighting across the country? That has to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard! ! Criminals don’t care what the law says genius their going to do whatever they want to do including dog fighting….that’s why their criminals. I bet you want to outlaw guns too don’t you..because if you outlaw guns then they will disappear across the country and no one will get robbed or shot because you said their banned.. Guess what here’s an eye opener for you if you outlaw guns then only the outlaws will have guns…..The same goes with the pitbulls to a criminal it becomes a status symbol to own a pitbull….why you ask well because their illegal. You’re a danger to society and should keep your mouth shut.

Yotie
Yotie
8 years ago

This ban came about after 30 years of soccer moms being told pit bulls make ideal family pets and the decades of carnage that followed.

Belle
Belle
8 years ago

You are quite ignorant. Dog fighting would not stop, just like dog bites and maulings wouldn’t stop either. Another breed would take its place. Pull your head out for some air please, your brain is starving.

Michelle Olson
Michelle Olson
8 years ago

Really?!?!?! You think that’s the only dog they throw into the ring for fighting?!??! They have used all sorts of dogs for fighting.

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  Michelle Olson

No, they don’t. No, they wouldn’t find another breed to start fighting and that hasn’t happened in places with pit bull bans in place. You can’t MAKE a dog fight. Normal breeds will not typically fight to the death and they will not continue to fight after their face has been torn off, a limb torn off, or their bowels spilling out and they will not fight for 2-3 hours at a time. That is a well-worn lie that dog fighters will just use another breed. Bottom line is the only reason anyone has a pit bull is because they are a dog fighter or they want to make a statement.

Angela
Angela
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

They already do fight other breeds. And, have you ever actually had a dog? Seen one? Your logic is sideways and heavily flawed.

Yotie
Yotie
8 years ago
Reply to  Michelle Olson

The first rule of Corgi fight club must be not to fight Corgis.

sfisk1
sfisk1
8 years ago
Reply to  John D Wayne

Ignorant.

Michelle Olson
Michelle Olson
8 years ago
Reply to  John D Wayne

Ignorance must be so bliss for you…

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  John D Wayne

Exactly! There are over 200 breeds of dog, with a wide range of inherent traits and characteristics, from which one can choose a pet. There is not one single positive trait in a pit bull that can’t be found in DOZENS of other breeds, without the inherent risk to society. What kind of person deliberately chooses a breed created and purpose-bred for violence and killing with all these other choices? What kind of *parent* (using the term loosely) decides that from all these choices, they will choose the one purpose-bred for killing to bring home around their children? Normal people choose normal dogs! They don’t choose a dog to “make a statement” while exposing their loved (?) ones and neighbors to a high risk of a brutal attack. Normal people choose one of the other 200 plus breeds NOT bred specifically for unprovoked and sustained savagery!

snowbird04
snowbird04
8 years ago
Reply to  John D Wayne

Who needs a hunting dog or a catch dog when those dogs are not used for those purposes in the majority of the time. Time to get rid of all dogs, as they are not necessary. Banning breeds is the best way to initiate that. Wait until other breeds are banned, and the people that initiated the breed bans are crying foul when their breed is next. It will happen one day.

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  snowbird04

No, banning pit bulls has no effect on other breeds because other breeds aren’t doing what pit bulls do.

Djones90125
Djones90125
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

They’re probably don’t:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/17/pit-bull-saves-deaf-boy-house-fire/12771773/

https://www.koco.com/news/oklahomanews/okc/Pit-bull-hailed-hero-saves-Oklahoma-family-from-fire/18540240

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/03/newser-pit-bull-saves-boy-bees/15014027/

Only two dogs have ever bitten me. A Labrador and a Dachshund. The first one bit me when I tried to pet him. It was dark and he leapt on me. I managed to pull my arm before he could hold it. The second one… well, he didn’t really like me, I guess.
I met so many pitbulls when I walked my pug outside. I still do. Some play rough with him, but not agressively. Only one dog tried to exert his dominance upon him, but didn’t even cared about biting me when I stood between them. As a matter of fact, only one schnauzer ( an “old lady”) manage to get along with my dog. All the others felt it was more appropriate to vocalize their “warm welcome” from 5 feet away.

Also: german shepherds were also considered a vicious breed once:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2724245/Faithful-German-shepherd-saved-family-BEAR-faced-euthanized-owners-gave-allergies.html

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  Djones90125

“oh my dog barked when the smoke alarm went off! He’s a hero”! “My dog licked my face when I passed out! He saved my life”! ~eyeroll~

Djones90125
Djones90125
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Yeah, definitely a troll!

Belle
Belle
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Karen the more you post the more you show you cannot have any sort of LOGICAL conversation.

Julie Pittie Rescuer Branston
Reply to  Debbie Bell

Are you getting a contact high there Bell? It IS the bad owner’s that have brought about the culmination of these dogs being abused and forced to fight. All these pups want to do is please their owner. I can tell you from experience that these dogs are not fighters. But you will just go on with you DBO rhetoric and I won’t get anyplace with you anyhow. But, I will say this. If your lame leader hadn’t have been as dumb as she is and run between that dog and that fence, we wouldn’t be here right now, now would we? Just because Aurora chose to keep the ban in place doesn’t mean it’s going to stay for good. In the meantime other cities are repealing their bsl laws and there are more everyday. Those are the cities that are doing the right thing and are NOT going by some stats by washed up online psychic, that is a wanna be web designer with mental issues. It’s up to you Aurora, but you you all are missing out on some great dogs. You really are.

Mary Ann Redfern
Mary Ann Redfern
8 years ago

Flagged you. Not appropriate.

Belle
Belle
8 years ago

How is that not appropriate? You just don’t like her answer. Doesn’t mean it’s inappropriate.

Falldog
8 years ago
Reply to  Belle

Logic and facts are inappropriate when promoting BSL. Obviously.

Michelle Olson
Michelle Olson
8 years ago

LOL you are flagging people because they dont agree with your pea brained notions… IGNORANCE is SICKENING!!! Go crawl back under your rock please

Annie Cowan Brown
Annie Cowan Brown
8 years ago

Ok. Stop living in denial that this breed is dangerous. Its interesting that you little pittie rescuers have to attack people just because we DESPISE A TYPE OF DOG THAT GOES CRAZY AND KILLS THINGS. This ban will stay, and lead the way for others, many in the works…… Keep your dogs……under control…….WE (the majority) don’t want them in our parks killing our pets, in our neighborhoods killing our elderly, or next door coming over the fence killing our children. Risk YOUR OWN SAFETY, BUT DON’T YOU DARE PUT MINE OR MY FAMILY’S AT RISK! You’re obsession with dangerous dogs is NOT MY PROBLEM. What’s crazier than a pit owner? A grieving mom or dad or child that has lost a loved one in the jaws of one of these mutants (the ultimate contact high?). #peoplefirst #wontbackdown #nopitnation

Falldog
8 years ago

Haha, wow. Not sure if you’re an idiot or being deliberately false.

Belle
Belle
8 years ago

Hmm well maybe there must be something wrong with the dozens of APBT ‘ S I’ve owned, the hundreds I’ve been around, and the MILLIONS across the US that are awesome loving pets. Maybe they don’t know they are “pit bulls”….

Yotie
Yotie
8 years ago
Reply to  Belle

You owned dozens of pit bulls? Do you own a dogfighting ring? Or do you just take them to the animal shelter when they get three years old and kind of testy?

Belle
Belle
8 years ago
Reply to  Yotie

Have you heard of RESCUE Yotie? Guess not. Keep thinking inside that incredibly closed mind of yours. For your sake you better pray Warning Labels are never removed.

Sarah
Sarah
8 years ago

BECAUSE TALKING IN CAPS FREQUENTLY MAKES YOU LESS IGNORANT CLEARLY..
Lol your zero knowledge about the facts of breed aggression amuses me. All of you spouting off about these dogs being a “fighting breed”.. you know that’s not even a legitimate term, right? Of coursenot, because that would require actual research vs being the sheep that you are and listening to the media alone as a basis for opinion.
Bye little sheep. Baaaaaaa

Julieveggie
Julieveggie
8 years ago

You are great!

Jim Murray Mahutga
Jim Murray Mahutga
8 years ago

In major denial. Hahahahahaha

HarveMorgan
HarveMorgan
8 years ago

YOU LOST !! More than DBO spoke and you refuse to listen. Great dogs my foot, canines designed specifically and selectively for one purpose – to kill.

ravencamp
8 years ago

Julie Pittie (Nuttie Kookie)’s post is a great example of the obsessive brand o’ crazy you can expect from “bully” advocates. It’s the victim’s fault for going on a run on a public street. She deserved to be chomped by a big ugly mutant, right? And I guess all the elderly folks and babies who’ve been mutilated or killed deserved it, too? The people of Aurora are a good example of the cross-section of NORMAL people who don’t want to live near a dangerous animal.

Karen
Karen
8 years ago

Your personal experience doesn’t negate the facts.

Falldog
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

You’d need to present facts first.

Sarah
Sarah
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

What… you’ve been sharing links with nothing but personal experiences… And what facts have you presented? Tell me Karen, I really want to know what facts.

Sarah
Sarah
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Where are these facts??? Waiting..

Julieveggie
Julieveggie
8 years ago

Your little game is over.

Katerina Bransdork
Katerina Bransdork
8 years ago
Reply to  Julieveggie

that is a direct threat, “julieveggie”

Julieveggie
Julieveggie
8 years ago

WOW aren’t you a little dramatic.

Retiree
Retiree
8 years ago
Reply to  Debbie Bell

Well, go on out there and get those dog owners educated. I guess that you assume that most pit bulls aren’t dangerous, which isn’t what insurance companies think? They head the list of least insurable dogs.

https://www.bankrate.com/lite/insurance/dogs-most-often-blacklisted-by-insurers-1.aspx

Sarah
Sarah
8 years ago
Reply to  Retiree

And? When did insurance companies become a basis for animal behavior expertise? Seriously?

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  Sarah

They aren’t animal behavior experts, they are actuaries. Insurance companies, believe it or not, are in the business of NOT losing money and they go to great lengths to balance the risks in their favor.

Retiree
Retiree
8 years ago
Reply to  Sarah

It’s all about numbers of claims filed related to negative pit bull behavior and risk management. Simple insurance basics. Don’t believe me? Talk to those companies.

Retiree
Retiree
8 years ago
Reply to  Sarah

Insurance companies want to make money. They WANT to insure stuff because it’s profitable for them. But when they find something they’re insuring that paying a lot out for in claims than they’re bringing in through premiums, they either raise the premiums for the insured thing, or — if the risk is way too high — they just won’t insure it because it loses them money. Like pit bulls, I guess. Hard to believe if your pit bull is just a little sweetie, but their experience with a whole covered class was apparently much different. It’s as simple as that.

John D Wayne
John D Wayne
8 years ago

Great news, let’s ban them in the USA.

None
None
8 years ago
Reply to  John D Wayne

Ban them in the USA? These are great dogs who are poorly trained and taken care of by some owners and get a bad name. So then we kill other harmless and well trained dogs of the breed?

Retiree
Retiree
8 years ago
Reply to  None

Is that why they’re the breed most often refused by insurance companies?

https://www.bankrate.com/lite/insurance/dogs-most-often-blacklisted-by-insurers-1.aspx

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Retiree

Insurers also charge more to insure red cars. Does that reflect reality or their own biases?

https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/blog/potentially-preventable-husbandry-factors-co-occur-in-most-dog-bite-related-fatalities/

Science! Try it out sometime, you sad, ignorant “retiree” (good thing, since we don’t need ignorant children in the workforce).

Retiree
Retiree
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Guess you should try to convince those ignorant insurance companies to not refuse to insure pit bulls. Me sad? Heck no, I’m happy and thrilled that sanity prevailed here yesterday.

So nice that there are so many other breeds of dogs to choose from. Just take a baggie when you’re out walking them. OK, gotta go. Have a good life, Ben.

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Retiree

“Sanity”! Hahaha. Wow, you’re sad. Sanity is examining facts and evidence and coming to a logical conclusion. You’re an irrational, scared, ignorant child, afraid of the boogiedog.

Like I sad, it’s a good thing you’re out of here, done, kaput. When you’re dead, we can all move on from neurotic, psychotic losers who hate basic science because they don’t understand it.

Retiree
Retiree
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Ben, I love you. Your posts are so nutty I think I’m going to share it on my FB account. Oh, and I don’t plan to be dead for a very long time. I hope to keep running into your rants in Disqus world. OK, now I’m really on to much more interesting things. Bye bye, Ben.

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Retiree

Haha, yeah, do that. I’d greatly appreciate it. It’ll make you look especially ignorant, to call real scientific and critical thinking “nutty.”

You’re so ignorant, you think you plan on dying. Wow! Sad, really.

Anyway, be true to your word and get lost already. We don’t need naive, neurotic nonsense when we can use science and reason! Be gone! Go do your “interesting things.” Hopefully, this includes getting a basic education before you die.

Annie Cowan Brown
Annie Cowan Brown
8 years ago
Reply to  None

The problem, None, is that you can’t control what owners do. And since NOT ALL OF THEM ARE GREAT DOGS AND MANY WILL ATTACK, you have to control the owners by putting these laws in place. Sucks for some, but protects us all. I hope to see these bans pop up ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. #peoplefirst #wontbackdown

Ben
Ben
8 years ago

Doesn’t protect anyone. It has been shown that violent dog attacks from dogs not recognized as “pit bull” (which isn’t a real breed) get ignored. Lab owners, whose dogs maim, are not held accountable.

Legislation needs to be directed against owners; not dogs. Legislation against bad dog owners has been shown to be highly effective.

Science!
https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/blog/potentially-preventable-husbandry-factors-co-occur-in-most-dog-bite-related-fatalities/

Mellissa
Mellissa
8 years ago

If the vote was to nationally ban pitbulls we would probably see the same statistics. A national ban would pass.

Yotie
Yotie
8 years ago
Reply to  None

I promise if stories about flying dogs jumping off patios to attack and kill other dogs stop for a few years you might have a chance.

Michelle Olson
Michelle Olson
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Every dog serves a purpose for the owner. Who are you to speak for everyone in the country. With your kind of uneducated answers I can see why you actually have the opinion you do. “i dunno”…HILARIOUS!!!!

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  Michelle Olson

Well, yes, you got me there. They do serve a purpose for their owner – they “make a statement”, the make up for shortcomings, they make them feel “powerful” and relevant, they help them get “respect”… yeah, we all know about the purposes pit bulls serve for their owners. But any positive purpose could be filled by dozens of other normal breeds without the inherent risk to society.

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/blog/potentially-preventable-husbandry-factors-co-occur-in-most-dog-bite-related-fatalities/
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SCIENCE!!! Try it out, sometime, sad, ignorant, naive little Karen.

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben

ROTFL! Good one!

Angela
Angela
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Wow. That sure was a vicious dog in that video…..what point were you trying to make here?

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  Angela

Clearly you didn’t watch it until the end. Apparently, according to DNA test results, that is not a pit bull.

Sarah
Sarah
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Apparently, according to your skewed use of illegitimate purely anecdotal information in a contradictory manner, you are not a smart person.

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  Angela

That’s not a pit bull apparently! I see why the nutters push for DNA testing!

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Good one, indeed. You’ve just proven that even cheap DNA tests aren’t reliable. You’ve just proven that you cannot reliably identify breeds without investing a lot of money in ludicrously expensive DNA tests, because you need this sort of evidence in a court of law; you can’t just say “well that nice, sweet dog kinda looks like it might be a specific breed, so I’m gonna just shoot it in the face.” Or don’t you understand that, you disturbed, little child?

Congratulations on providing evidence AGAINST BSL. You’re really bad at this. Critical thinking will get you far in life. Try it out.

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

There is no “inherent risk to society” presented by pit bulls. All dogs pose such a risk. Even pugs.

https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/blog/potentially-preventable-husbandry-factors-co-occur-in-most-dog-bite-related-fatalities/

Science, Karen! When you grow up, you’ll learn all about it!

Susan DeVilder
Susan DeVilder
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben

LOL @ you quoting the NCRC. Educate yourself Ben!

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Susan DeVilder

Maybe you need to take your own advice. Part of education is knowing how to assess sources. You apparently missed the part where the scientific article was published in The Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association.

LOL. Sad, when people with little to no education tell others to “educate” themselves. Sorry, but whatever brainwashing you underwent to destroy your basic critical thinking skills is NOT education.

Sarah
Sarah
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

She found another source! I see you’ve yet to look up that “credible” definition though..

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

You post something with an INTERNATIONAL death toll of 501 and think that means anything? Here, a lesson in critical thinking:

1. 501 deadly dogs out of TENS OF MILLIONS of dogs, possibly over 100,000,000. Wow! That’s some insane stereotyping. Imagine if we judged ethnic groups this way. You think I can find 501 cases of black people killing white people worldwide? You think we should eliminate black people? Apparently, you do.

2. Unconfirmed pit bulls. There are three breeds that are commonly called “pit bulls.” Any dog mixed with these breeds or even resembling these breeds with NO PIT BULL DNA WHATSOEVER, is called a “pit bull” when these attacks are recorded. I already posted the information showing that perhaps 25% are real. So, in reality, 125 could likely have been pit bulls. The others were, most likely, misidentifications.

See how we can use basic critical thinking to assess the information we get, rather just taking it at face value. This is why we cite sources, and in science, we explain our methods, include ALL data, and provide an assessment, including considerations of error. This way, others can read it and replicate our results. Science!!!

TakeBothSidesIntoConsideration
TakeBothSidesIntoConsideration
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Karen. For some, Yes. It makes them feel empowered. This is why you think the way you do. You’re are trying to make “factual” statements about ALL pit bull owners. None of your comments in this entire news feed shows me that you’ve done your homework. Meaning…you’re view is biased because you haven’t even TRIED, put ANY effort in seeing pit bull owner’s side.

Sarah
Sarah
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Please educate yourself. Sometime. Anytime. And look up the term “credible source”. Freaking lazy.

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  Sarah

I consider straight from “the horse’s mouth” so to speak, credible.

Sarah
Sarah
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Statistics, Karen. Data, Karen. Must everything be explained to you? What you heard from one site once doesn’t constitute credible despite what accommodates your personal opinion… how are people this dumb even still alive..

Mellissa
Mellissa
8 years ago
Reply to  None

Agreed, the same people who would want to own pitbulls in Aurora usually live in low-income neighborhoods. They usually say that they want to keep the dog as protection and not a friendly family pet but rather a guard dog. Guard dogs are taught to be aggressive.

Maryjane
Maryjane
8 years ago
Reply to  John D Wayne

I bet there would be the same margin in votes throughout the US if it came to a national electon, too!

Mary Ann Redfern
Mary Ann Redfern
8 years ago
Reply to  Maryjane

I have been saying the exact same thing, Maryjane. Interesting that the Aurora vote results are pretty much an exact replication of the results of the Miami-Dade Election…2 to 1.

Yotie
Yotie
8 years ago
Reply to  Maryjane

Some claimed the phrasing of the question, “Should we allow pit bulls back into Aurora to maul the heck out of every living thing they see?” was unfair. 🙂

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  Maryjane

Of course there would be! That’s why the pit bull advocacy movement and lobbyist work hard to make sure the vote is done quietly by politicians and doesn’t go to public vote!

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

No, not everyone’s as ignorant as you Karen. Some of us actually LIKE science and reason.

https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/blog/potentially-preventable-husbandry-factors-co-occur-in-most-dog-bite-related-fatalities/

Susan DeVilder
Susan DeVilder
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben

NCRC= A think tank bought and paid for by the Animal Farm Foundation, a pro-pit bull organization whose goal is to push pit bulls onto the general population. The NCRC also has a political action fund that gives money to anti-BSL groups to fight bans against pit bulls. The NCRC is the most biased source that anyone could possibly cite in this debate. If you don’t realize that then maybe you need to “educate yourself.”

Sarah
Sarah
8 years ago
Reply to  Susan DeVilder

Susan susan susan. You know that canine research organizations know more about this than you, right? Couldn’t be why they fund causes that are scientifically logical could it? That doesn’t make it a biased source. Sucks trying to sound smart and sounding even more dumb in the process, doesn’t it.

Pam Loken
Pam Loken
8 years ago
Reply to  Susan DeVilder

another *killer* that goes from horror story to horror story spreading her filth….man you people are WORSE then Army recruiters

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Susan DeVilder

There are so many science-based unbiased sources referenced in that article that one can only call your rebuttal “denial.”

You should attack the credibility of the The American Veterinary Medical Association and the four or five other academic, science-based, unbiased sources provided there, in order to discredit this information. If you cannot, then the information is valid. Attacking the publisher makes you look really ignorant, and it proves that you didn’t read the article, didn’t examine the evidence, and didn’t utilize basic critical thinking skills.

But what can I say? Most children think with their feelings; not their brains. They don’t understand how to think critically. You’re no different.

Lorne Houle
Lorne Houle
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben

DogsBite.org. Read the full site before you accuse them of fact tampering… You won’t but at least I feel better that I told you so.

pit bull lover
pit bull lover
8 years ago
Reply to  John D Wayne

You have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe we should ban stupidity not the dog. They are better breeds than most humans. This is pure human ignorance.

Dog lover
Dog lover
8 years ago
Reply to  pit bull lover

Agreed! It’s about bad owners, not bad dogs! Get some facts!

Michelle Olson
Michelle Olson
8 years ago
Reply to  John D Wayne

Lets just ban stupid people too that don’t know how to be responsible dog owners. No one needs people like you voting for theme especially those that don’t know what they are talking about. Have you ever had a “Pit Bull”? Met one? Known someone that has had one? I doubt it, because then you would have a different opinion. All you people know is media crap that is totally biased and most of the time is completely false. Hopefully one day we don’t have people like you speaking for those that actually have a brain and think for themselves.

Yotie
Yotie
8 years ago
Reply to  Michelle Olson

Michelle, the Huffington Post is running a story titled “These 18 Photos Of Pit Bulls Not Actively Mauling Somene Will Make You Want To Marry One.”

I suggest you head over there. This page is for enlightened people.

Michelle Olson
Michelle Olson
8 years ago
Reply to  Yotie

LMAO!! How “enlightened” of you…which your view does not follow the definition (having or showing a rational, modern, and well-informed outlook) because as it seems you know nothing of what you are talking about. So you can use all the nice pretty words that makes you think that you are superior but as Danny said your ignorance is showing. But hey thanks for the heads up on the article. 🙂

Michelle Olson
Michelle Olson
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

you “dunno”? LOL I already know what I am dealing with on this page…. You said it all for me Karen, thank you. LMAO!!!

HarveMorgan
HarveMorgan
8 years ago
Reply to  Michelle Olson

All we need to say to you is – YOU LOST !!

sarah
sarah
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

Hey, you didn’t hear? We win in intelligence by a landslide. Enough for me. Okay you can go back to derping now.

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Science tells us that breed is not a significant factor in dog bites.

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Reality tells us it is. Oh wait, I missed it at first; you think we’re talking about “bites”. Please read those stories and tell me you consider those dog “bite” stories.

Sarah
Sarah
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

I do not think you even know what you’re talking about.

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Science is reality. You’re not using reality. You’re using neurotic nonsense.

Get some help, loser. In the meantime, I’m gonna buy a labrador and train it to kill. There’s nothing illegal about having your lab rip someone’s throat out. It’s just a “freak accident,” if it’s not a “pit bull” (not a real breed). Thanks, BSL!

Guest
Guest
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Yes, those are all “bite” stories, whatever that’s supposed to mean.

Maybe you need to read stuff before you post it.

Sarah
Sarah
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Derp. What’s science? What’s fact? What’s life?

TakeBothSidesIntoConsideration
TakeBothSidesIntoConsideration
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Karen. I could give you hundreds of examples of pit bulls that aren’t aggressive and great pets. You’re completely one-sided.

To know, is to know that you know nothing. That is the meaning to true knowledge. -Socrates

Sarah
Sarah
8 years ago

*golf-clap

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  Michelle Olson

“Lets just ban stupid people too that don’t know how to be responsible dog owners” – Pretty much the same thing as the Pit Bull ban. Responsible dog owners don’t choose a breed purpose-bred specifically and only for violence.

Guest
Guest
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

LOL you are are so funny!! A breed bred for violence, wow! You are the end all be all on this topic arent you? I am so proud of you that you can copy paste links from biases sights with no real facts…Good for you.

DiesIrae999
DiesIrae999
8 years ago
Reply to  Guest

that’s what she’s good at… Cut and paste and thinks that she’s proven her point. But she’s wrong again…

Michelle Olson
Michelle Olson
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

LOL you are are so funny!! A breed bred for violence, wow! You are the end all be all on this topic, arent you? I am so proud of you that you can copy paste links from biased sights with no real facts…Good for you.

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  Michelle Olson

Let me guess, “they were originally bread [sic] to be nanny dogs – to watch the children, do the laundry, and pull little Timmy from the well”! Or is it my recent favorite: “They were originally bred to pull the carts in the mine. Because they are so strong, the carried the ore, coal, etc. up from the mines”! Or are you going with: “They were working farm dogs, herding and guarding the livestock”!

Michelle Olson
Michelle Olson
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Did I say that? No. I did not live in the era where they may have been bred to be “nanny dogs”. I don’t discuss things I know nothing about and that I only read about on the internet. I am enlightened because I am a responsible owner of 3 bullies and my dogs are well behaved and great members of society. My neighbor’s kids play with my dogs, etc. I speak from experience and from knowing how much I love my dogs. That’s why I fight tooth and nail against the ignorance out there. You are entitled to your opinion Karen as is everyone else. But at least I know that when I speak out about something I make sure I know what I am talking about. Have a great day

Jill
Jill
8 years ago
Reply to  Michelle Olson

There is also no one breed of Pit Bull they are all mixes, Michelle you are wasting your breath here on this thread These people HAVE NO IDEA how stupid they are being!

Michelle Olson
Michelle Olson
8 years ago
Reply to  Jill

Agreed Jill. 🙂

Belle
Belle
8 years ago
Reply to  Jill

Jill there IS only ONE breed that should be called “Pit Bull” and that is the American Pit Bull Terrier. The problem is, the news classifys anything with a “big head” as a “Pit Bull”. Putting mixed breeds, as well as about TWELVE other breeds into the Pit Bull catagory is what is creating a false problem.
If breeds were correctly labled, the “Pit Bull” would quickly fall from the list.

Tiffani
Tiffani
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

They were bred to fight in the pits. Hence the name “pit bull” BUT in the AKC description of the breed, human aggression is not allowed and dogs with human aggression are to be castrated, or culled. The breeders are doing a good job of breeding pet friendly dogs. I’d like to say this, DOG first, BREED second. The most idiotic question I get asked is “Does it bite?” Referring to my tortoises, mice, snakes, cats or dogs. Well, if it has a mouth, it has the potential to bite. I myself have been bitten by three dogs total. None have been by pits, and I have owned, baby sat, walked and trained pits and other breeds all of my life. I also feed strays, and have never been bitten by a stray! The first was a little ankle biter who was coddled by it’s family, they told me petting the dog was safe. The blood running down my arm told 6 yr old me otherwise. Then, when I was older I had a man who had a very aggressive looking, scruffy mutt on a rope walking by me. The dog was showing very dominate, aggravated body language. I walked by with my own dog and this one broke free to attack her. I got bit by him while getting him off my dog. The last time was by a greyhound who unknown to me, had a long and stressful day with strange people (her new owners) If I had known, I would not have pet the dog.

I understand you think this one breed is super duper bad and all that jazz, but I want you to remember, if it has a mouth, it can bite, also DOG first, BREED second. Please look at the owner behind the dog, to see how they have shaped and trained the dog. Genetics also play a part in the temperament. Poorly bred, backyard dogs tend to be sweet as sugar one year and a hellion the next, due to any inbred illness, or mental instability. Backyard breeders breed for color, not temperament. If we shunned them, promoted spay and neuter (Which most pit advocates do) and only bought from responsible breeders once the animals in the shelter had homes, the breed would no longer be targeted. BUT the media must have something to kill, and these guys tend to be the target. They moved on from rotts, GSDs and dobies. But I feel a powerful breed of some sort will always be targeted. These breeds need responsible owners most of all, and tend to land in the hands of people uncapable of working with them to have a stable dog.

Also, if you haven’t seen yet, pits are used to hunt hogs. Hunters take a pack of dogs, go to a farm or area where hogs are a danger to the people living there, and they thin down the herd by taking out the big male boar. The pack of dogs are trained to work together to find, distract, and hold down the hog until the hunter can arrive and end it’s life.

https://www.bryantsreddevils.com/HogHunting.html

https://www.huntwildpig.com/the-1-best-hog-dogs-to-hunt-wild-boar/

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben
Sarah
Sarah
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Karen no know what science is. Poor Karen.

Lisa Gaffney
Lisa Gaffney
8 years ago
Reply to  Sarah

See above comment to Ben, Sarah

mattbl
mattbl
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

I love how Ben links a national research group and Karen links a hate blog.

Lisa Gaffney
Lisa Gaffney
8 years ago
Reply to  mattbl

See above comment to Ben

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

What I hate is idiots who can’t use basic critical thinking skills.
Maybe you need to check with the American Veterinary Medical Association, which isn’t “lobbyists,” because the information was published in, you guessed it, The Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, the experts on this whole subject. (Maybe read the articles presented before replying with irrelevant nonsense)

Every political issue has lobbyists, btw. That’s how it works. If you automatically hate something just because someone lobbies for it, then you support nothing and everything all at once. Kinda dumb, huh? That’s how you sound.

Lisa Gaffney
Lisa Gaffney
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Ben, the National Canine Research Council is an LLC – a privately owned company – by none other than the pit bull industry who makes $$$$$ off of unsuspecting people who buy their BS. Check it out for yourself if you don’t believe me. It’s no coincidence they try to sound official like a government agency, they are HOPING to mislead the public and after observing troves of people that are clueless, I guess it works. You are making them a buttload of money at the cost of public safety. And you think that WE drink the Kool Aid? Here’s another little experiment for you to try – the true 501(c) non-profit agency, Dogsbite.org, is mimicked and purposely misdirected by the NCRC, who purchased the domains to the web site addresses using .net and .com suffixes so they could redirect the public to the WRONG info. Who does that? It’s like asking the tobacco industry to comment on the safeness of cigarettes.

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Lisa Gaffney

Lisa, Dogsbite.org was founded by a woman with no scientific, veterinary, or medical training. She just hates pit bulls and wants them all to die. She doesn’t use any facts or evidence, supported by science.

Now, if you’d stop with your blatant denial, you’d find that the NCRC article you’re denouncing cites several scientific and medical sources, which are unbiased, including The American Veterinary Medical Association (cited immediately in the first sentence, proving that you didn’t read the article AT ALL!).

Science, fool! Try it!

Stephen C
Stephen C
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben

This is all it takes to enact BSL with any logical, reasonable and rational population.

Will Pit Bull killings and mauling increase,decrease or stay the same? Do the breed a favor and go back to formula as they were once properly breed. Now its a filthy joke.

https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_pit_bull_terrier/dog.html?id=1375732-colbys-pincher

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2716890/Grandmother-59-mauled-death-family-pit-bull-Polo-two-year-old-grandson.html

Lorne Houle
Lorne Houle
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Sounds like an opinion. ..

marell kim
marell kim
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

They were nanny dogs, and also lets not forget stubby, sergeant stubby the most decorated dog in military history to this day.

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  marell kim

When exactly was the “nanny dog” scene supposed to have happened? (JK – I know you know you’re telling a lie).

marell kim
marell kim
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Im not lying, a nanny dog was a dog that wouldbe gentle with kids as well as protect them, ive seen them sleep all night on the floor besides the crib. I had a boxer pit whom let a baby pull herself up by his ears and that was her first steps.

Oh yeah and what about STUBBY , Sargent stubby that is he is still to this day the most decorated dog who served military prove that im lying about that.

marell kim
marell kim
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Well, most.dogs were bred for a purpose rather than a pet. Look at the adorable dachshund and corgi they were bres to get moles and.other vermin out of holes and kill them. Theres the class of hunting dogs, coonhnds,

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  marell kim

That’s true – and the purpose for which pit bulls were bred was violence and killing.

Jill
Jill
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

How do you live being so stupid and ignorant?

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  Jill

I see you don’t have an intelligent counter to what I said so like most pit worshipers, you have to resort to personal attacks. I understand though, it has to be difficult being on the losing side of an issue and by such a large margin! I might be a little testy too if I were in you’re shoes (hypothetically speaking of course – I would never own a breed whose sole purpose is killing).

Sarah
Sarah
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

LMAO. Karen you have yet to answer any of my valid questions in an intelligent manner with measurable evidence. Just stop while you’re not too far behind.

DiesIrae999
DiesIrae999
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Haha..Karen you are in for it….. Everybody is against your ignorance and your stupidity! You still going around in circles and nobody’s listening to you!

Karen
Karen
8 years ago
Reply to  DiesIrae999

Apparently they aren’t. Did you bother reading the article you’re commenting on?

DiesIrae999
DiesIrae999
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Yes I have…..I don’t have to answer to you because your stupidity makes me sick…

Juanita Spears
Juanita Spears
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

So – if pit bulls were “bred for violence and killing” and therefore should be banned or killed altogether, is it safe to assume that the children of parents who raise their children to hate and despise anyone different than they are should be banned too because they may one day kill someone? And I can hear your argument now – pit bulls are “just” dogs, people are superior to animals. Don’t bother – that argument is invalid.

Lisa Gaffney
Lisa Gaffney
8 years ago
Reply to  Jill

Is that the title of an auto-biography you plan on writing? I think it will sit on the store shelves, just like pieces of junk like Galunker.

marell kim
marell kim
8 years ago
Reply to  Karen

Well lets look at what you think are safer dogs, labs the most common family dog is bred to be a water hunting dog, that cute little dachshund was bred to kill small game go into holes and kill vermin as well as bite at deer, you have.coon hounds,you also have hearding dogs that were breed obviously for herding when a flock of sheep, goats whatever gets out line the bite their feet. I can.go on with many more breeds.

HarveMorgan
HarveMorgan
8 years ago
Reply to  Michelle Olson

Pits were designed for one thing and only one thing, nothing of service to mankind either, they were bred to kill. There is absolutely nothing you can say that changes that. We can’t change retrievers from wanting to fetch, we can’t change border collies from wanting to herd, and we can’t change pit bulls into lap dogs.

marell kim
marell kim
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

Pitbulls are some of the.most affectionate, kind, snugglers and lap dogs.

HarveMorgan
HarveMorgan
8 years ago
Reply to  marell kim

And the number one canine killer of people and other beloved pets, don’t forget that part.

Jill
Jill
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

Again wrong again. Not even close.

HarveMorgan
HarveMorgan
8 years ago
Reply to  Jill

Wrong my foot. Pits are the #1 canine killers of pets and people. You prove it otherwise.

Sarah
Sarah
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

Why would we have the burden of proof here? You just make a pretty serious assertion about “pits” – back it up! I mean, if that’s the case..
People that call themselves HarveMorgan online are the #1 cause for the war in the Middle East. Oh you’re saying I’m wrong? Well prove it otherwise. HA!

Oh yeah. Very logic, dude. If you’re just being ironic then well done, I have to hand it to you.

HarveMorgan
HarveMorgan
8 years ago
Reply to  Sarah

You don’t have a leg to stand on now, give it up. We all know that pits are killing. The only one that doesn’t know that would be someone with their head stuck under a rock for the past few decades. Where have you been?

Pam Loken
Pam Loken
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

I wish I could hide my head under a rock…to be put in the same race as YOU and your killer kind…..makes me sick!

HarveMorgan
HarveMorgan
8 years ago

The NCRC, are you kidding me? Not affiliated with the government, a corporation strictly to lobby for pit bulls, a gun for hire. Founded by a failed self published author whose credentials as an expert are nothing more than a vet tech. Can you spell B-I-A-S-E-D?

TakeBothSidesIntoConsideration
TakeBothSidesIntoConsideration
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

I’m looking, but I can’t figure out if the author is a vet tech. Where did you find that?

The author is stating evidence from sources other than the Journal of Applied Animal Welfare Science OR American Veterinary Medical Association. He also cites from the American Journal of Sociological Research, (CDC) Centers for Disease Control and Prevention & a Canadian research institute, Injury Prevention.

Most research is funded by government agencies, institutions and foundations. Now if you found that these studies were funded by the NCRC, I’d take your comment into consideration. But as far as you know, some of the principle investigators and research teams on these studies could have been against pit bulls.

Lorne Houle
Lorne Houle
8 years ago
Reply to  Sarah

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
-John Adams

Juanita Spears
Juanita Spears
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

Yes, but PEOPLE are still the #1 killers of pets and people. If only we could ban them.

Sarah G.
Sarah G.
8 years ago
Reply to  Juanita Spears

AGREED Juanita!

disqus_vGTbrpEkdO
disqus_vGTbrpEkdO
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

actually, people are more likely to be killed by both falling coconuts and sharks, than any breed of dog…do your research

HarveMorgan
HarveMorgan
8 years ago

I did. https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/2014/07/do-coconuts-kill-more-people-than-pit-bulls/

And I am sure you mean that pit attacks are most often described the same as a shark attack. The 1988 study by University of Texas Medical Branch, Galveston doctors, Pit Bull Attack: Case Report and Literature Review, references this: “Most breeds do not repeatedly bite their victims; however, a pit bull attack has been compared to a shark attack and often results in multiple bites and extensive soft-tissue loss,” as did Dr. Tom Veverka who treated Duane VanLanHam, “It was like a shark attack. His legs were like hamburger.”

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

Pit bull bites are very much like shark attacks. They happen very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very rarely. Let me repeat: very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY RARELY!!!

But when they do, psychotic, neurotic, ignorant, naive, simple-minded people go off the deep-end. They lose all rationality, forgetting basic critical thinking and rationality. They become vicious, BLOOD-THIRSTY, killing machines, slaughtering countless animals in their blind rage, hoping to cull as many as possible before cooler heads can prevail.

Science?! Puleez! One pit bull killed somebody, so we need to shoot tens of millions of sweet, innocent dogs right between their eyes. Hell, why bother with putting them down easy? We can just put them all in a room and open up on them with an SMG! Let the ones who don’t get shot clean just bleed to death! How does that sound?

Seriously, get some help, sicko. The rest of us have reason and science. Maybe that’ll help you, too; one day.

HarveMorgan
HarveMorgan
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Here, go see how ‘rare’ these attacks are for yourself. When you look up the definition of ‘sicko’, your comment will be there, it is very telling about your state of mind. https://www.fatalpitbullattacks.com/

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

Thanks again for proving my point even further. You have a list of only 448 deaths going back 181 years. That’s only 2.4 deaths a year. Here, since you don’t understand what “rare” means (you seem to think it means “common,” since you refute that statement by providing a link showing that pit bull fatalities are, indeed, incredibly rare):
https://www.google.com/search?q=rare&oq=rare&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i65l2j0l3.485j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=rare+definition&spell=1

Since you’re clearly too thick to try critical thinking for yourself, let me do it for you: That’s very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY RARE!!! If you have evidence to the contrary, showing that only 2.4 deaths a year isn’t incredibly rare, please provide it. Otherwise, sad, naive, ignorant little child, you just prove your neuroticism. Get some help.

For comparison, we can look at attacks by other animals, since you’re too thick to examine the evidence yourself: 130 Americans are killed EACH YEAR running into deer on the road! Allergic reactions to bees: 53 PER YEAR!!! Mosquito-born illness kills 3 MILLION PER YEAR!!!!! DAYUM!!!

Now, shark attacks? Well, there were 11 deaths between 2000 and 2010. Eleven! Wow! Talk about incredibly rare!

And what do you have to justify shooting TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOGS IN THE FACE?! 2.4 deaths per year. And with no evidence whatsoever that dog breed is a significant factor in dog fatalities! People like you are a wonderful demonstration of how ignorance leads to evil.

Lisa Gaffney
Lisa Gaffney
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Wrong Ben! Every 10 days a HUMAN dies to pit bull mauling. Every 5 days a HUMAN loses a body part to pit bull mauling. Every SINGLE DAY, multiple domestic pets lose their lives to pit bull maulings. Every SINGLE WEEK numerous pit bulls themselves die in shelters because of people like you who think it’s mean to spay/neuter and stop overbreeding via BSL. Do you really think you can cause enough blind people to love the breed enough to save thousands of pit bulls per DAY by adopting them, all the while not encouraging even MORE breeding, and making the pit bull industry MORE rich, dog fighters MORE wealthy, and breeders MORE wealthy. Wake up, it’s time to come out of this fairy tale illusion you’ve been living in.

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Lisa Gaffney

Great, every 3 days a HUMAN dies driving into a deer. Should we slaughter the deer, wholesale, then, just to be safe? There’s 15 million pit bulls, but only 35 of them kill someone a year? That’s a ludicrously small proportion! It’s 0.0000023%. 0.0000023% of pit bulls actually kill someone, but you want to shoot 100% of pit bulls in the face?! You’re sick. You’d have to have very racist tendencies to cling so desperately to a stereotype. Get your KKK filth out of here!

You can’t use the horror of pit bulls dying in shelters to justify BSL. BSL puts them in shelters. BSL says they are supposed to die. BSL says to put a bullet in their face. Do you not know what BSL is? Are you really this ignorant?

Save pit bulls by adopting them? BSL makes it ILLEGAL to adopt pit bulls. My god, you really don’t have any idea what BSL is, do you?! Holy crap!

BTW, since you’re so ignorant about dog breeding: There is no “pit bull industry.” Dog breeding is not highly profitable. To suggest that there’s a “pit bull industry” like there’s a cattle industry, or a hog industry, is truly a testament to your incredible ignorance! If you want to argue about the “dog industry” we can talk about animals cruelty in Iowa all day, but that has nothing to do with pit bulls, specifically.

Stephen C
Stephen C
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Cincinnati and Dayton lifted their ban. Guess what occurred?More,less or the same amount of dead people and faces ripped off. It matters not as in Aurora and major populations vote 2:1 against this breed.

Lorne Houle
Lorne Houle
8 years ago

Or pinecones depending on where you live… lol

Lisa Gaffney
Lisa Gaffney
8 years ago

SMH …. the really sad thing, Harve, is people actually believe this nonsense. Sharks and coconuts …. I feel for your family and friends, disqus_vGTbrpEkdO, you must be a tremendous burden to have to watch out for daily with such a lack of common sense in such a fast moving and ever changing world.

Doglover
Doglover
8 years ago
Reply to  Lisa Gaffney

Funny how you don’t address posts you can’t refute…

In a country of 300 million, you can somehow imagine you’re doing something good working a cause that kills 20-30 per year. Let’s start with cars (30,000) or something like that. The frequency of pits that attack and kill is .00012% even by your own total numbers. Humans killing humans is a frequency 100 times more.

Since you seem to enjoy the comparisons so much, here’s a couple more:
– hundreds are killed each year by deer running in front of their car
– about 100 are killed each year by cows
– about 40 kids drown each year in 5 gallon utility buckets

You must want to legislate everything…

Michelle Olson
Michelle Olson
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

You’re wrong as well. Get your numbers correct, #1 killer of people and pets really? Like above everything else in the entire world Pit Bulls kill more people and pets. HYSTERIA is what people like you cause! Do you know that pit bulls are used for PTSD therapy dogs? Would you say this to a veteran that has one? I mean seriously?

HarveMorgan
HarveMorgan
8 years ago
Reply to  Michelle Olson

Yep, it’s the truth, number uno on killing people and pets, big number uno. Therapy dogs? Now that is a laugh. Guess you haven’t heard of the attacks by those ‘therapy’ dogs who buy a vest off the internet for $69.

Michelle Olson
Michelle Olson
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

NO MORON!!! https://www.pitsforpatriots.org/ here is an organization specializing in just that. BUYING A VEST?? Veterans do not buy a vest online for a dog you MORON!!!! WOW are you even an American Citizen? And if you want to say it correctly its NUMERO UNO, not number uno. Get a life

HarveMorgan
HarveMorgan
8 years ago
Reply to  Michelle Olson

Hit a nerve, did we? Note the name, pits for patriots. And you believe such biased sites? Hey, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that is for sale, where’s your money? If you believe that pits can be true therapy dogs, then you are a prime candidate for buying that bridge.

Michelle Olson
Michelle Olson
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

I just proved that they can be and no not a nerve, just stating the fact that you are a moron. Did that organization buy a vest on the internet for $69.00? NO so I already proved my point. They can be therapy dogs. No I’ll let people like you buy the bridge and continue to fed like idiots the media crap and what the government tells them. SHEEPLE!!

HarveMorgan
HarveMorgan
8 years ago
Reply to  Michelle Olson

I think you have it backwards, pits are attacking service and therapy dogs quite often, leaving many of those dogs unable to return to their work as service/therapy dogs.

https://blog.dogsbite.org/2010/09/fully-vetted-pit-nutters-and-their.html

DiesIrae999
DiesIrae999
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

Haha.. You got call a SHEEPLE! Love it because you are..

HarveMorgan
HarveMorgan
8 years ago
Reply to  DiesIrae999

So? I’ve been called worse. Besides, what you guys are showing the voters of Aurora is that they were correct in voting against pits because of the types, like yourselves, who own these pits. You resort to name calling because you have nothing else to fall back on. Thanks for showing the world the types who defend this breed, not the kind of people most want as neighbors.

https://workingtohelpanimalstodaytomorrow.blogspot.com/2014/09/do-you-want-these-people-as-your.html

DiesIrae999
DiesIrae999
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

I wouldn’t want you as my neighbor either…So the feeling is mutual.

Michelle Olson
Michelle Olson
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

Here is another organization that uses all types of shelter dogs including Pits for their cause. https://www.pawsandstripes.org/ just in case the pits for patriots wasn’t enough…

HarveMorgan
HarveMorgan
8 years ago
Reply to  Michelle Olson

You do realize that there have been attacks from these ‘therapy’ pits right? You aren’t winning here.

Doglover
Doglover
8 years ago
Reply to  HarveMorgan

Wrong….humans are the #1 killer of humans and pets.

More folks are killed by lightning (5 times more) than pit pulls, more kids die drowning in 5 gallon buckets than from all dogs combined.

Banning pits is the dumbest cause I’ve seen in awhile – hope you find something more meaningful to do with your life (like banning buckets or something).

Lorne Houle
Lorne Houle
8 years ago
Reply to  Jill

He’s actually right. I verified from the state and county sources… 32 human deaths from dogs. 25 from pitbulls, 3 from Rottweilers, 1 from german shepherd, and three from mixed breeds not related to the pitbull. Since 2006, 176 killed from pitbulls.

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Lorne Houle

“I verified from state and county sources…” LOL. You mean you went to wikipedia? Give me a break! You really think those are verified breeds? You really think those aren’t just incidences of “well, it looked like it might have been a pit bull?”

Well, the science actually tells us this is the case. “Facts are stubborn things. . .” LOL!!! See how I just reversed it on you? I can do that, because I picked my side based on careful consideration of the evidence. Science! You didn’t. You don’t care about facts, evidence, and especially, science!

Lorne Houle
Lorne Houle
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben

There are more important things to worry about than what type of dogs you can have. Critical thinking is not science; it’s a formed opinion. Dna testing is science so…

Ben
Ben
8 years ago
Reply to  Lorne Houle

DNA testing is science? Good, I’m glad you’ve conceded that. Haha!!!comment image?oh=bf94fef453272af870abd0b7f7d771ce&oe=54F42C39&__gda__=1425272944_67636bde19166be2c24814b2bc554202

See that? I used CRITICAL THINKING to reach a reasoned, rational conclusion based on FACTS and EVIDENCE. It’s not my opinion; it’s reality. You obviously need to look up what “critical thinking” is, since what you’ve described is NOT critical thinking. If you’d seek a proper education, you’d learn that.

Lorne Houle
Lorne Houle
8 years ago
Reply to  Ben

And you didn’t bother to read the part where I said 3 mixed? Wouldn’t that be considered a mutt to most? Looks like not much “critical thinking” was used on your behalf. Lol