AURORA | By a 2-to-1 margin, Aurora voters say they don’t want pit bulls to return to the city, based on early returns.
With more than 70,000 votes counted across Adams and Arapahoe counties so far, voters have overwhelmingly said no to Aurora ballot question 2D, which would lift the city’s 9-year-old ban on the dogs.
In Arapahoe County, 68 percent of voters said no. In Adams County, 63 percent voted against lifting the ban.
The issue has been extremely contentious for years in Aurora, but especially since the city council pitched the question to voters. The issue has drawn national attention, from both critics and proponents of the ban.
Colleen Lynn, a supporter of breed bans and founder of the group dogsbite.org, said she was happy with the outcome in Aurora, but a bit surprised by the margin of victory for the ban.
“I didn’t expect it to be this big,” she said.
Lynn said that while pit bull supporters are often very public and vocal in their support for the breed, there are many people who oppose the breed but don’t want to speak publicly about it.
“We believe that the majority of Americans do not want to live next door to a pit bull period. And that is usually a very silent majority,” she said.
Lynn said that’s why her group supports ballot measures like Aurora, because they give people a chance to privately voice their concerns about the animals.
Under the city’s current rules, three breeds of dogs commonly recognized as pit bulls — American pit bull terriers, American Staffordshire terriers and Staffordshire bull terriers — are banned within the city limits. When city council first enacted the ban in 2005, there were 10 breeds barred from the city, but council in 2011 softened the ban to just three breeds and gave owners a chance to have their dog DNA-tested to prove whether they were in fact a banned breed.
Dogs who were already in the city at the time of the ban were allowed to stay if their owners paid a registration fee and followed certain restrictions.
According to the city’s numbers, about 90 registered pit bulls remain in the city, down from about 500 when the ban took effect. The city has euthanized more than 1,100 restricted-breed dogs since the ban.
Opponents of the ban have argued that the law should focus on irresponsible dog owners as opposed to specific breeds.
But supporters of banning the dogs, which include the city’s Animal Care Division, have said pit bulls are more dangerous than other breeds and should be barred from Aurora. Plus, opponents say, because Denver and other cities have similar bans, Aurora would become a dumping ground for dogs barred from other cities.
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I think the ban is good for these cities, I’d like to see the ban expanded. Here in Larimer county would be a great place to add a ban on Pit Bulls.
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… and Ban the OWNERS too.
https://www.naturalnews.com/032749_German_shepherds_dog_registry.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/032749_German_shepherds_dog_registry.html
We do blame the humans, the uneducated uncaring humans who choose to acquire pit bulls!
We don’t blame the dogs. Dogs aren’t reading these posts anyway.
The problem is on the other end of the leash, the bully people are the problem. So we can either ban ownership of bully dogs, or in other areas enact mandatory sterilization of all pits, pit mixes, all dog aggressive dogs.
Pit bully people have used the slogan “you can judge the morality of a country by how they treat their animals.”
If we, the USA and UK, were compassionate thinking people, there would be no need for breed bans because no one would be breeding bully dogs.
Who needs fighting breeds when dog fighting is banned anyway.
and look how well that works
It would work GREAT if there were NO pit bulls. Dog fighting is illegal in all 50 states in the USA and has been since 1976. There is no longer a “need” for fighting breeds to exist. The dog men who brought this unfortunate breed about in England over 200 years ago did NOT have a “lap dog” in mind when they bred it. The bull and terrier breed, as dog men called it, was bred for fighting each other in pits for the vulgar entertainment of blood thirsty gamblers. That was their entire reason for being and there was NO OTHER. If pit bulls are allowed to die out by a stringent spay/neuter program across the country it will end dog fighting in the USA and it will save the lives and limbs of thousands of human, pet and livestock victims of pit bull attack. Now, do you understand?
Pit bulls are not the only dogs that attack people and live stock..you can make any dog into a fighting dog..small mind people will destory this world. It funny how people are so excited about this win but its a loss for all dogs. Which breed will be next on the list? To bad you cant breed ignorance out of people..
Ann, you are so stupid. They would just train Rotties how to fight, which they do now also. I have a Pit and have had over 20 dogs in my life and he is the best one by far! They are loving, giving, and very smart dogs. There just needs to be more harsher laws for dog fighting. Have you ever met a Pit Bull? Did you ever watch the Little Rascals, that dog was a Pit, and played with those kids all day and never heard of anyone getting bitten. My mail lady tells her subs to “not to worry over the Pit at address XXX, but watch the stupid Chihuahua’s at address XXX as I have been bitten 3 times from them.” So lets get ride of those little suckers as they bite, oh, but they “do not lock their jaws”, neither do Pits.
So in all your brilliance you’re telling me that by banning pitbulls it will end dog fighting across the country? That has to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard! ! Criminals don’t care what the law says genius their going to do whatever they want to do including dog fighting….that’s why their criminals. I bet you want to outlaw guns too don’t you..because if you outlaw guns then they will disappear across the country and no one will get robbed or shot because you said their banned.. Guess what here’s an eye opener for you if you outlaw guns then only the outlaws will have guns…..The same goes with the pitbulls to a criminal it becomes a status symbol to own a pitbull….why you ask well because their illegal. You’re a danger to society and should keep your mouth shut.
This ban came about after 30 years of soccer moms being told pit bulls make ideal family pets and the decades of carnage that followed.
You are quite ignorant. Dog fighting would not stop, just like dog bites and maulings wouldn’t stop either. Another breed would take its place. Pull your head out for some air please, your brain is starving.
Really?!?!?! You think that’s the only dog they throw into the ring for fighting?!??! They have used all sorts of dogs for fighting.
No, they don’t. No, they wouldn’t find another breed to start fighting and that hasn’t happened in places with pit bull bans in place. You can’t MAKE a dog fight. Normal breeds will not typically fight to the death and they will not continue to fight after their face has been torn off, a limb torn off, or their bowels spilling out and they will not fight for 2-3 hours at a time. That is a well-worn lie that dog fighters will just use another breed. Bottom line is the only reason anyone has a pit bull is because they are a dog fighter or they want to make a statement.
They already do fight other breeds. And, have you ever actually had a dog? Seen one? Your logic is sideways and heavily flawed.
The first rule of Corgi fight club must be not to fight Corgis.
Ignorant.
Ignorance must be so bliss for you…
Exactly! There are over 200 breeds of dog, with a wide range of inherent traits and characteristics, from which one can choose a pet. There is not one single positive trait in a pit bull that can’t be found in DOZENS of other breeds, without the inherent risk to society. What kind of person deliberately chooses a breed created and purpose-bred for violence and killing with all these other choices? What kind of *parent* (using the term loosely) decides that from all these choices, they will choose the one purpose-bred for killing to bring home around their children? Normal people choose normal dogs! They don’t choose a dog to “make a statement” while exposing their loved (?) ones and neighbors to a high risk of a brutal attack. Normal people choose one of the other 200 plus breeds NOT bred specifically for unprovoked and sustained savagery!
Who needs a hunting dog or a catch dog when those dogs are not used for those purposes in the majority of the time. Time to get rid of all dogs, as they are not necessary. Banning breeds is the best way to initiate that. Wait until other breeds are banned, and the people that initiated the breed bans are crying foul when their breed is next. It will happen one day.
No, banning pit bulls has no effect on other breeds because other breeds aren’t doing what pit bulls do.
They’re probably don’t:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/17/pit-bull-saves-deaf-boy-house-fire/12771773/
https://www.koco.com/news/oklahomanews/okc/Pit-bull-hailed-hero-saves-Oklahoma-family-from-fire/18540240
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/03/newser-pit-bull-saves-boy-bees/15014027/
Only two dogs have ever bitten me. A Labrador and a Dachshund. The first one bit me when I tried to pet him. It was dark and he leapt on me. I managed to pull my arm before he could hold it. The second one… well, he didn’t really like me, I guess.
I met so many pitbulls when I walked my pug outside. I still do. Some play rough with him, but not agressively. Only one dog tried to exert his dominance upon him, but didn’t even cared about biting me when I stood between them. As a matter of fact, only one schnauzer ( an “old lady”) manage to get along with my dog. All the others felt it was more appropriate to vocalize their “warm welcome” from 5 feet away.
Also: german shepherds were also considered a vicious breed once:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2724245/Faithful-German-shepherd-saved-family-BEAR-faced-euthanized-owners-gave-allergies.html
“oh my dog barked when the smoke alarm went off! He’s a hero”! “My dog licked my face when I passed out! He saved my life”! ~eyeroll~
Yeah, definitely a troll!
Karen the more you post the more you show you cannot have any sort of LOGICAL conversation.
Are you getting a contact high there Bell? It IS the bad owner’s that have brought about the culmination of these dogs being abused and forced to fight. All these pups want to do is please their owner. I can tell you from experience that these dogs are not fighters. But you will just go on with you DBO rhetoric and I won’t get anyplace with you anyhow. But, I will say this. If your lame leader hadn’t have been as dumb as she is and run between that dog and that fence, we wouldn’t be here right now, now would we? Just because Aurora chose to keep the ban in place doesn’t mean it’s going to stay for good. In the meantime other cities are repealing their bsl laws and there are more everyday. Those are the cities that are doing the right thing and are NOT going by some stats by washed up online psychic, that is a wanna be web designer with mental issues. It’s up to you Aurora, but you you all are missing out on some great dogs. You really are.
Flagged you. Not appropriate.
How is that not appropriate? You just don’t like her answer. Doesn’t mean it’s inappropriate.
Logic and facts are inappropriate when promoting BSL. Obviously.
LOL you are flagging people because they dont agree with your pea brained notions… IGNORANCE is SICKENING!!! Go crawl back under your rock please
Ok. Stop living in denial that this breed is dangerous. Its interesting that you little pittie rescuers have to attack people just because we DESPISE A TYPE OF DOG THAT GOES CRAZY AND KILLS THINGS. This ban will stay, and lead the way for others, many in the works…… Keep your dogs……under control…….WE (the majority) don’t want them in our parks killing our pets, in our neighborhoods killing our elderly, or next door coming over the fence killing our children. Risk YOUR OWN SAFETY, BUT DON’T YOU DARE PUT MINE OR MY FAMILY’S AT RISK! You’re obsession with dangerous dogs is NOT MY PROBLEM. What’s crazier than a pit owner? A grieving mom or dad or child that has lost a loved one in the jaws of one of these mutants (the ultimate contact high?). #peoplefirst #wontbackdown #nopitnation
Haha, wow. Not sure if you’re an idiot or being deliberately false.
Hmm well maybe there must be something wrong with the dozens of APBT ‘ S I’ve owned, the hundreds I’ve been around, and the MILLIONS across the US that are awesome loving pets. Maybe they don’t know they are “pit bulls”….
You owned dozens of pit bulls? Do you own a dogfighting ring? Or do you just take them to the animal shelter when they get three years old and kind of testy?
Have you heard of RESCUE Yotie? Guess not. Keep thinking inside that incredibly closed mind of yours. For your sake you better pray Warning Labels are never removed.
BECAUSE TALKING IN CAPS FREQUENTLY MAKES YOU LESS IGNORANT CLEARLY..
Lol your zero knowledge about the facts of breed aggression amuses me. All of you spouting off about these dogs being a “fighting breed”.. you know that’s not even a legitimate term, right? Of coursenot, because that would require actual research vs being the sheep that you are and listening to the media alone as a basis for opinion.
Bye little sheep. Baaaaaaa
You are great!
In major denial. Hahahahahaha
YOU LOST !! More than DBO spoke and you refuse to listen. Great dogs my foot, canines designed specifically and selectively for one purpose – to kill.
Julie Pittie (Nuttie Kookie)’s post is a great example of the obsessive brand o’ crazy you can expect from “bully” advocates. It’s the victim’s fault for going on a run on a public street. She deserved to be chomped by a big ugly mutant, right? And I guess all the elderly folks and babies who’ve been mutilated or killed deserved it, too? The people of Aurora are a good example of the cross-section of NORMAL people who don’t want to live near a dangerous animal.
Your personal experience doesn’t negate the facts.
You’d need to present facts first.
What… you’ve been sharing links with nothing but personal experiences… And what facts have you presented? Tell me Karen, I really want to know what facts.
Where are these facts??? Waiting..
Your little game is over.
that is a direct threat, “julieveggie”
WOW aren’t you a little dramatic.
Well, go on out there and get those dog owners educated. I guess that you assume that most pit bulls aren’t dangerous, which isn’t what insurance companies think? They head the list of least insurable dogs.
https://www.bankrate.com/lite/insurance/dogs-most-often-blacklisted-by-insurers-1.aspx
And? When did insurance companies become a basis for animal behavior expertise? Seriously?
They aren’t animal behavior experts, they are actuaries. Insurance companies, believe it or not, are in the business of NOT losing money and they go to great lengths to balance the risks in their favor.
It’s all about numbers of claims filed related to negative pit bull behavior and risk management. Simple insurance basics. Don’t believe me? Talk to those companies.
Insurance companies want to make money. They WANT to insure stuff because it’s profitable for them. But when they find something they’re insuring that paying a lot out for in claims than they’re bringing in through premiums, they either raise the premiums for the insured thing, or — if the risk is way too high — they just won’t insure it because it loses them money. Like pit bulls, I guess. Hard to believe if your pit bull is just a little sweetie, but their experience with a whole covered class was apparently much different. It’s as simple as that.
Great news, let’s ban them in the USA.
Ban them in the USA? These are great dogs who are poorly trained and taken care of by some owners and get a bad name. So then we kill other harmless and well trained dogs of the breed?
Is that why they’re the breed most often refused by insurance companies?
https://www.bankrate.com/lite/insurance/dogs-most-often-blacklisted-by-insurers-1.aspx
Insurers also charge more to insure red cars. Does that reflect reality or their own biases?
https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/blog/potentially-preventable-husbandry-factors-co-occur-in-most-dog-bite-related-fatalities/
Science! Try it out sometime, you sad, ignorant “retiree” (good thing, since we don’t need ignorant children in the workforce).
Guess you should try to convince those ignorant insurance companies to not refuse to insure pit bulls. Me sad? Heck no, I’m happy and thrilled that sanity prevailed here yesterday.
So nice that there are so many other breeds of dogs to choose from. Just take a baggie when you’re out walking them. OK, gotta go. Have a good life, Ben.
“Sanity”! Hahaha. Wow, you’re sad. Sanity is examining facts and evidence and coming to a logical conclusion. You’re an irrational, scared, ignorant child, afraid of the boogiedog.
Like I sad, it’s a good thing you’re out of here, done, kaput. When you’re dead, we can all move on from neurotic, psychotic losers who hate basic science because they don’t understand it.
Ben, I love you. Your posts are so nutty I think I’m going to share it on my FB account. Oh, and I don’t plan to be dead for a very long time. I hope to keep running into your rants in Disqus world. OK, now I’m really on to much more interesting things. Bye bye, Ben.
Haha, yeah, do that. I’d greatly appreciate it. It’ll make you look especially ignorant, to call real scientific and critical thinking “nutty.”
You’re so ignorant, you think you plan on dying. Wow! Sad, really.
Anyway, be true to your word and get lost already. We don’t need naive, neurotic nonsense when we can use science and reason! Be gone! Go do your “interesting things.” Hopefully, this includes getting a basic education before you die.
The problem, None, is that you can’t control what owners do. And since NOT ALL OF THEM ARE GREAT DOGS AND MANY WILL ATTACK, you have to control the owners by putting these laws in place. Sucks for some, but protects us all. I hope to see these bans pop up ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. #peoplefirst #wontbackdown
Doesn’t protect anyone. It has been shown that violent dog attacks from dogs not recognized as “pit bull” (which isn’t a real breed) get ignored. Lab owners, whose dogs maim, are not held accountable.
Legislation needs to be directed against owners; not dogs. Legislation against bad dog owners has been shown to be highly effective.
Science!
https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/blog/potentially-preventable-husbandry-factors-co-occur-in-most-dog-bite-related-fatalities/
If the vote was to nationally ban pitbulls we would probably see the same statistics. A national ban would pass.
I promise if stories about flying dogs jumping off patios to attack and kill other dogs stop for a few years you might have a chance.
YES – ban them in the USA! They are a garbage breed that serves no purpose.
https://17barks.blogspot.com/2013/08/what-happened-to-gavin.html
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.173059916187205.1073741830.172467419579788&type=1
https://www.babybeaufoundation.org/my-story/
https://www.babybeaufoundation.org/rep-waites-and-mrs-rutledge-discuss-bully-breed-legislation/
https://www.capitalbay.com/uk/297683-milly-anne.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027286/Darla-Napora-Pregnant-woman-dies-mauled-pet-dog-living-room.html “mauled to death by one of her pet pit bull terriers belonged to group campaigning to convince people that the animals aren’t dangerous,” – Just like you! Ironic, no?
https://www.azfamily.com/news/Mom-severely-injured-while-saving-toddler-from-dog-attack-226409391.html
https://17barks.blogspot.com/2014/03/my-red-nose-pit-bull.html
https://blog.dogsbite.org/2013/07/beyond-the-interview-essay-of-a-fatal-pit-bull-mauling.html
https://17barks.blogspot.com/2014/01/getting-to-know-pit-bulls-continued.html
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/betty-anne-chapman-todd-victims-stories/
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/konen-dean-asa-dagley-daxtons-friends-victims-stories/
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/zachary-wright-victims-stories/
Every dog serves a purpose for the owner. Who are you to speak for everyone in the country. With your kind of uneducated answers I can see why you actually have the opinion you do. “i dunno”…HILARIOUS!!!!
Well, yes, you got me there. They do serve a purpose for their owner – they “make a statement”, the make up for shortcomings, they make them feel “powerful” and relevant, they help them get “respect”… yeah, we all know about the purposes pit bulls serve for their owners. But any positive purpose could be filled by dozens of other normal breeds without the inherent risk to society.
https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/blog/potentially-preventable-husbandry-factors-co-occur-in-most-dog-bite-related-fatalities/
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1378707_918081344883065_1333049035130798742_n.jpg?oh=bf94fef453272af870abd0b7f7d771ce&oe=54F42C39&__gda__=1425272944_67636bde19166be2c24814b2bc554202
SCIENCE!!! Try it out, sometime, sad, ignorant, naive little Karen.
ROTFL! Good one!
Wow. That sure was a vicious dog in that video…..what point were you trying to make here?
Clearly you didn’t watch it until the end. Apparently, according to DNA test results, that is not a pit bull.
Apparently, according to your skewed use of illegitimate purely anecdotal information in a contradictory manner, you are not a smart person.
That’s not a pit bull apparently! I see why the nutters push for DNA testing!
Good one, indeed. You’ve just proven that even cheap DNA tests aren’t reliable. You’ve just proven that you cannot reliably identify breeds without investing a lot of money in ludicrously expensive DNA tests, because you need this sort of evidence in a court of law; you can’t just say “well that nice, sweet dog kinda looks like it might be a specific breed, so I’m gonna just shoot it in the face.” Or don’t you understand that, you disturbed, little child?
Congratulations on providing evidence AGAINST BSL. You’re really bad at this. Critical thinking will get you far in life. Try it out.
There is no “inherent risk to society” presented by pit bulls. All dogs pose such a risk. Even pugs.
https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/blog/potentially-preventable-husbandry-factors-co-occur-in-most-dog-bite-related-fatalities/
Science, Karen! When you grow up, you’ll learn all about it!
LOL @ you quoting the NCRC. Educate yourself Ben!
Maybe you need to take your own advice. Part of education is knowing how to assess sources. You apparently missed the part where the scientific article was published in The Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association.
LOL. Sad, when people with little to no education tell others to “educate” themselves. Sorry, but whatever brainwashing you underwent to destroy your basic critical thinking skills is NOT education.
Reality says otherwise.
https://occupymaulstreet.blogspot.com/2012/12/world-wide-piticides.html
https://occupymaulstreet.blogspot.com/2013/01/pit-bulls-should-they-be-called-life.html
She found another source! I see you’ve yet to look up that “credible” definition though..
You post something with an INTERNATIONAL death toll of 501 and think that means anything? Here, a lesson in critical thinking:
1. 501 deadly dogs out of TENS OF MILLIONS of dogs, possibly over 100,000,000. Wow! That’s some insane stereotyping. Imagine if we judged ethnic groups this way. You think I can find 501 cases of black people killing white people worldwide? You think we should eliminate black people? Apparently, you do.
2. Unconfirmed pit bulls. There are three breeds that are commonly called “pit bulls.” Any dog mixed with these breeds or even resembling these breeds with NO PIT BULL DNA WHATSOEVER, is called a “pit bull” when these attacks are recorded. I already posted the information showing that perhaps 25% are real. So, in reality, 125 could likely have been pit bulls. The others were, most likely, misidentifications.
See how we can use basic critical thinking to assess the information we get, rather just taking it at face value. This is why we cite sources, and in science, we explain our methods, include ALL data, and provide an assessment, including considerations of error. This way, others can read it and replicate our results. Science!!!
Karen. For some, Yes. It makes them feel empowered. This is why you think the way you do. You’re are trying to make “factual” statements about ALL pit bull owners. None of your comments in this entire news feed shows me that you’ve done your homework. Meaning…you’re view is biased because you haven’t even TRIED, put ANY effort in seeing pit bull owner’s side.
Please educate yourself. Sometime. Anytime. And look up the term “credible source”. Freaking lazy.
I consider straight from “the horse’s mouth” so to speak, credible.
Statistics, Karen. Data, Karen. Must everything be explained to you? What you heard from one site once doesn’t constitute credible despite what accommodates your personal opinion… how are people this dumb even still alive..
Agreed, the same people who would want to own pitbulls in Aurora usually live in low-income neighborhoods. They usually say that they want to keep the dog as protection and not a friendly family pet but rather a guard dog. Guard dogs are taught to be aggressive.
I bet there would be the same margin in votes throughout the US if it came to a national electon, too!
I have been saying the exact same thing, Maryjane. Interesting that the Aurora vote results are pretty much an exact replication of the results of the Miami-Dade Election…2 to 1.
Some claimed the phrasing of the question, “Should we allow pit bulls back into Aurora to maul the heck out of every living thing they see?” was unfair. 🙂
Of course there would be! That’s why the pit bull advocacy movement and lobbyist work hard to make sure the vote is done quietly by politicians and doesn’t go to public vote!
No, not everyone’s as ignorant as you Karen. Some of us actually LIKE science and reason.
https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/blog/potentially-preventable-husbandry-factors-co-occur-in-most-dog-bite-related-fatalities/
NCRC= A think tank bought and paid for by the Animal Farm Foundation, a pro-pit bull organization whose goal is to push pit bulls onto the general population. The NCRC also has a political action fund that gives money to anti-BSL groups to fight bans against pit bulls. The NCRC is the most biased source that anyone could possibly cite in this debate. If you don’t realize that then maybe you need to “educate yourself.”
Susan susan susan. You know that canine research organizations know more about this than you, right? Couldn’t be why they fund causes that are scientifically logical could it? That doesn’t make it a biased source. Sucks trying to sound smart and sounding even more dumb in the process, doesn’t it.
another *killer* that goes from horror story to horror story spreading her filth….man you people are WORSE then Army recruiters
There are so many science-based unbiased sources referenced in that article that one can only call your rebuttal “denial.”
You should attack the credibility of the The American Veterinary Medical Association and the four or five other academic, science-based, unbiased sources provided there, in order to discredit this information. If you cannot, then the information is valid. Attacking the publisher makes you look really ignorant, and it proves that you didn’t read the article, didn’t examine the evidence, and didn’t utilize basic critical thinking skills.
But what can I say? Most children think with their feelings; not their brains. They don’t understand how to think critically. You’re no different.
DogsBite.org. Read the full site before you accuse them of fact tampering… You won’t but at least I feel better that I told you so.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe we should ban stupidity not the dog. They are better breeds than most humans. This is pure human ignorance.
Agreed! It’s about bad owners, not bad dogs! Get some facts!
Lets just ban stupid people too that don’t know how to be responsible dog owners. No one needs people like you voting for theme especially those that don’t know what they are talking about. Have you ever had a “Pit Bull”? Met one? Known someone that has had one? I doubt it, because then you would have a different opinion. All you people know is media crap that is totally biased and most of the time is completely false. Hopefully one day we don’t have people like you speaking for those that actually have a brain and think for themselves.
Michelle, the Huffington Post is running a story titled “These 18 Photos Of Pit Bulls Not Actively Mauling Somene Will Make You Want To Marry One.”
I suggest you head over there. This page is for enlightened people.
LMAO!! How “enlightened” of you…which your view does not follow the definition (having or showing a rational, modern, and well-informed outlook) because as it seems you know nothing of what you are talking about. So you can use all the nice pretty words that makes you think that you are superior but as Danny said your ignorance is showing. But hey thanks for the heads up on the article. 🙂
I have met more than one. I dunno, these people have “met” one and they have a different opinion.
https://17barks.blogspot.com/2013/08/what-happened-to-gavin.html
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.173059916187205.1073741830.172467419579788&type=1
https://www.babybeaufoundation.org/my-story/
https://www.babybeaufoundation.org/rep-waites-and-mrs-rutledge-discuss-bully-breed-legislation/
https://www.capitalbay.com/uk/297683-milly-anne.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027286/Darla-Napora-Pregnant-woman-dies-mauled-pet-dog-living-room.html “mauled to death by one of her pet pit bull terriers belonged to group campaigning to convince people that the animals aren’t dangerous,” – Just like you! Ironic, no?
https://www.azfamily.com/news/Mom-severely-injured-while-saving-toddler-from-dog-attack-226409391.html
https://17barks.blogspot.com/2014/03/my-red-nose-pit-bull.html
https://blog.dogsbite.org/2013/07/beyond-the-interview-essay-of-a-fatal-pit-bull-mauling.html
https://17barks.blogspot.com/2014/01/getting-to-know-pit-bulls-continued.html
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/betty-anne-chapman-todd-victims-stories/
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/konen-dean-asa-dagley-daxtons-friends-victims-stories/
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/zachary-wright-victims-stories/
you “dunno”? LOL I already know what I am dealing with on this page…. You said it all for me Karen, thank you. LMAO!!!
All we need to say to you is – YOU LOST !!
Hey, you didn’t hear? We win in intelligence by a landslide. Enough for me. Okay you can go back to derping now.
Science tells us that breed is not a significant factor in dog bites.
Reality tells us it is. Oh wait, I missed it at first; you think we’re talking about “bites”. Please read those stories and tell me you consider those dog “bite” stories.
I do not think you even know what you’re talking about.
Science is reality. You’re not using reality. You’re using neurotic nonsense.
Get some help, loser. In the meantime, I’m gonna buy a labrador and train it to kill. There’s nothing illegal about having your lab rip someone’s throat out. It’s just a “freak accident,” if it’s not a “pit bull” (not a real breed). Thanks, BSL!
Yes, those are all “bite” stories, whatever that’s supposed to mean.
Maybe you need to read stuff before you post it.
Derp. What’s science? What’s fact? What’s life?
Karen. I could give you hundreds of examples of pit bulls that aren’t aggressive and great pets. You’re completely one-sided.
To know, is to know that you know nothing. That is the meaning to true knowledge. -Socrates
*golf-clap
“Lets just ban stupid people too that don’t know how to be responsible dog owners” – Pretty much the same thing as the Pit Bull ban. Responsible dog owners don’t choose a breed purpose-bred specifically and only for violence.
LOL you are are so funny!! A breed bred for violence, wow! You are the end all be all on this topic arent you? I am so proud of you that you can copy paste links from biases sights with no real facts…Good for you.
that’s what she’s good at… Cut and paste and thinks that she’s proven her point. But she’s wrong again…
LOL you are are so funny!! A breed bred for violence, wow! You are the end all be all on this topic, arent you? I am so proud of you that you can copy paste links from biased sights with no real facts…Good for you.
Let me guess, “they were originally bread [sic] to be nanny dogs – to watch the children, do the laundry, and pull little Timmy from the well”! Or is it my recent favorite: “They were originally bred to pull the carts in the mine. Because they are so strong, the carried the ore, coal, etc. up from the mines”! Or are you going with: “They were working farm dogs, herding and guarding the livestock”!
Did I say that? No. I did not live in the era where they may have been bred to be “nanny dogs”. I don’t discuss things I know nothing about and that I only read about on the internet. I am enlightened because I am a responsible owner of 3 bullies and my dogs are well behaved and great members of society. My neighbor’s kids play with my dogs, etc. I speak from experience and from knowing how much I love my dogs. That’s why I fight tooth and nail against the ignorance out there. You are entitled to your opinion Karen as is everyone else. But at least I know that when I speak out about something I make sure I know what I am talking about. Have a great day
There is also no one breed of Pit Bull they are all mixes, Michelle you are wasting your breath here on this thread These people HAVE NO IDEA how stupid they are being!
Agreed Jill. 🙂
Jill there IS only ONE breed that should be called “Pit Bull” and that is the American Pit Bull Terrier. The problem is, the news classifys anything with a “big head” as a “Pit Bull”. Putting mixed breeds, as well as about TWELVE other breeds into the Pit Bull catagory is what is creating a false problem.
If breeds were correctly labled, the “Pit Bull” would quickly fall from the list.
They were bred to fight in the pits. Hence the name “pit bull” BUT in the AKC description of the breed, human aggression is not allowed and dogs with human aggression are to be castrated, or culled. The breeders are doing a good job of breeding pet friendly dogs. I’d like to say this, DOG first, BREED second. The most idiotic question I get asked is “Does it bite?” Referring to my tortoises, mice, snakes, cats or dogs. Well, if it has a mouth, it has the potential to bite. I myself have been bitten by three dogs total. None have been by pits, and I have owned, baby sat, walked and trained pits and other breeds all of my life. I also feed strays, and have never been bitten by a stray! The first was a little ankle biter who was coddled by it’s family, they told me petting the dog was safe. The blood running down my arm told 6 yr old me otherwise. Then, when I was older I had a man who had a very aggressive looking, scruffy mutt on a rope walking by me. The dog was showing very dominate, aggravated body language. I walked by with my own dog and this one broke free to attack her. I got bit by him while getting him off my dog. The last time was by a greyhound who unknown to me, had a long and stressful day with strange people (her new owners) If I had known, I would not have pet the dog.
I understand you think this one breed is super duper bad and all that jazz, but I want you to remember, if it has a mouth, it can bite, also DOG first, BREED second. Please look at the owner behind the dog, to see how they have shaped and trained the dog. Genetics also play a part in the temperament. Poorly bred, backyard dogs tend to be sweet as sugar one year and a hellion the next, due to any inbred illness, or mental instability. Backyard breeders breed for color, not temperament. If we shunned them, promoted spay and neuter (Which most pit advocates do) and only bought from responsible breeders once the animals in the shelter had homes, the breed would no longer be targeted. BUT the media must have something to kill, and these guys tend to be the target. They moved on from rotts, GSDs and dobies. But I feel a powerful breed of some sort will always be targeted. These breeds need responsible owners most of all, and tend to land in the hands of people uncapable of working with them to have a stable dog.
Also, if you haven’t seen yet, pits are used to hunt hogs. Hunters take a pack of dogs, go to a farm or area where hogs are a danger to the people living there, and they thin down the herd by taking out the big male boar. The pack of dogs are trained to work together to find, distract, and hold down the hog until the hunter can arrive and end it’s life.
https://www.bryantsreddevils.com/HogHunting.html
https://www.huntwildpig.com/the-1-best-hog-dogs-to-hunt-wild-boar/
Let me guess, you hate science? https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/blog/potentially-preventable-husbandry-factors-co-occur-in-most-dog-bite-related-fatalities/
What I hate is lobbyists. https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/2014/09/the-pit-bull-lobby/
Karen no know what science is. Poor Karen.
See above comment to Ben, Sarah
I love how Ben links a national research group and Karen links a hate blog.
See above comment to Ben
What I hate is idiots who can’t use basic critical thinking skills.
Maybe you need to check with the American Veterinary Medical Association, which isn’t “lobbyists,” because the information was published in, you guessed it, The Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, the experts on this whole subject. (Maybe read the articles presented before replying with irrelevant nonsense)
Every political issue has lobbyists, btw. That’s how it works. If you automatically hate something just because someone lobbies for it, then you support nothing and everything all at once. Kinda dumb, huh? That’s how you sound.
Ben, the National Canine Research Council is an LLC – a privately owned company – by none other than the pit bull industry who makes $$$$$ off of unsuspecting people who buy their BS. Check it out for yourself if you don’t believe me. It’s no coincidence they try to sound official like a government agency, they are HOPING to mislead the public and after observing troves of people that are clueless, I guess it works. You are making them a buttload of money at the cost of public safety. And you think that WE drink the Kool Aid? Here’s another little experiment for you to try – the true 501(c) non-profit agency, Dogsbite.org, is mimicked and purposely misdirected by the NCRC, who purchased the domains to the web site addresses using .net and .com suffixes so they could redirect the public to the WRONG info. Who does that? It’s like asking the tobacco industry to comment on the safeness of cigarettes.
Lisa, Dogsbite.org was founded by a woman with no scientific, veterinary, or medical training. She just hates pit bulls and wants them all to die. She doesn’t use any facts or evidence, supported by science.
Now, if you’d stop with your blatant denial, you’d find that the NCRC article you’re denouncing cites several scientific and medical sources, which are unbiased, including The American Veterinary Medical Association (cited immediately in the first sentence, proving that you didn’t read the article AT ALL!).
Science, fool! Try it!
This is all it takes to enact BSL with any logical, reasonable and rational population.
Will Pit Bull killings and mauling increase,decrease or stay the same? Do the breed a favor and go back to formula as they were once properly breed. Now its a filthy joke.
https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_pit_bull_terrier/dog.html?id=1375732-colbys-pincher
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2716890/Grandmother-59-mauled-death-family-pit-bull-Polo-two-year-old-grandson.html
Sounds like an opinion. ..
They were nanny dogs, and also lets not forget stubby, sergeant stubby the most decorated dog in military history to this day.
When exactly was the “nanny dog” scene supposed to have happened? (JK – I know you know you’re telling a lie).
Im not lying, a nanny dog was a dog that wouldbe gentle with kids as well as protect them, ive seen them sleep all night on the floor besides the crib. I had a boxer pit whom let a baby pull herself up by his ears and that was her first steps.
Oh yeah and what about STUBBY , Sargent stubby that is he is still to this day the most decorated dog who served military prove that im lying about that.
Well, most.dogs were bred for a purpose rather than a pet. Look at the adorable dachshund and corgi they were bres to get moles and.other vermin out of holes and kill them. Theres the class of hunting dogs, coonhnds,
That’s true – and the purpose for which pit bulls were bred was violence and killing.
How do you live being so stupid and ignorant?
I see you don’t have an intelligent counter to what I said so like most pit worshipers, you have to resort to personal attacks. I understand though, it has to be difficult being on the losing side of an issue and by such a large margin! I might be a little testy too if I were in you’re shoes (hypothetically speaking of course – I would never own a breed whose sole purpose is killing).
LMAO. Karen you have yet to answer any of my valid questions in an intelligent manner with measurable evidence. Just stop while you’re not too far behind.
Haha..Karen you are in for it….. Everybody is against your ignorance and your stupidity! You still going around in circles and nobody’s listening to you!
Apparently they aren’t. Did you bother reading the article you’re commenting on?
Yes I have…..I don’t have to answer to you because your stupidity makes me sick…
So – if pit bulls were “bred for violence and killing” and therefore should be banned or killed altogether, is it safe to assume that the children of parents who raise their children to hate and despise anyone different than they are should be banned too because they may one day kill someone? And I can hear your argument now – pit bulls are “just” dogs, people are superior to animals. Don’t bother – that argument is invalid.
Is that the title of an auto-biography you plan on writing? I think it will sit on the store shelves, just like pieces of junk like Galunker.
Well lets look at what you think are safer dogs, labs the most common family dog is bred to be a water hunting dog, that cute little dachshund was bred to kill small game go into holes and kill vermin as well as bite at deer, you have.coon hounds,you also have hearding dogs that were breed obviously for herding when a flock of sheep, goats whatever gets out line the bite their feet. I can.go on with many more breeds.
Pits were designed for one thing and only one thing, nothing of service to mankind either, they were bred to kill. There is absolutely nothing you can say that changes that. We can’t change retrievers from wanting to fetch, we can’t change border collies from wanting to herd, and we can’t change pit bulls into lap dogs.
Pitbulls are some of the.most affectionate, kind, snugglers and lap dogs.
And the number one canine killer of people and other beloved pets, don’t forget that part.
Again wrong again. Not even close.
Wrong my foot. Pits are the #1 canine killers of pets and people. You prove it otherwise.
Why would we have the burden of proof here? You just make a pretty serious assertion about “pits” – back it up! I mean, if that’s the case..
People that call themselves HarveMorgan online are the #1 cause for the war in the Middle East. Oh you’re saying I’m wrong? Well prove it otherwise. HA!
Oh yeah. Very logic, dude. If you’re just being ironic then well done, I have to hand it to you.
You don’t have a leg to stand on now, give it up. We all know that pits are killing. The only one that doesn’t know that would be someone with their head stuck under a rock for the past few decades. Where have you been?
I wish I could hide my head under a rock…to be put in the same race as YOU and your killer kind…..makes me sick!
https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/blog/potentially-preventable-husbandry-factors-co-occur-in-most-dog-bite-related-fatalities/
The NCRC, are you kidding me? Not affiliated with the government, a corporation strictly to lobby for pit bulls, a gun for hire. Founded by a failed self published author whose credentials as an expert are nothing more than a vet tech. Can you spell B-I-A-S-E-D?
I’m looking, but I can’t figure out if the author is a vet tech. Where did you find that?
The author is stating evidence from sources other than the Journal of Applied Animal Welfare Science OR American Veterinary Medical Association. He also cites from the American Journal of Sociological Research, (CDC) Centers for Disease Control and Prevention & a Canadian research institute, Injury Prevention.
Most research is funded by government agencies, institutions and foundations. Now if you found that these studies were funded by the NCRC, I’d take your comment into consideration. But as far as you know, some of the principle investigators and research teams on these studies could have been against pit bulls.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
-John Adams
Yes, but PEOPLE are still the #1 killers of pets and people. If only we could ban them.
AGREED Juanita!
actually, people are more likely to be killed by both falling coconuts and sharks, than any breed of dog…do your research
I did. https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/2014/07/do-coconuts-kill-more-people-than-pit-bulls/
And I am sure you mean that pit attacks are most often described the same as a shark attack. The 1988 study by University of Texas Medical Branch, Galveston doctors, Pit Bull Attack: Case Report and Literature Review, references this: “Most breeds do not repeatedly bite their victims; however, a pit bull attack has been compared to a shark attack and often results in multiple bites and extensive soft-tissue loss,” as did Dr. Tom Veverka who treated Duane VanLanHam, “It was like a shark attack. His legs were like hamburger.”
Pit bull bites are very much like shark attacks. They happen very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very rarely. Let me repeat: very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY RARELY!!!
But when they do, psychotic, neurotic, ignorant, naive, simple-minded people go off the deep-end. They lose all rationality, forgetting basic critical thinking and rationality. They become vicious, BLOOD-THIRSTY, killing machines, slaughtering countless animals in their blind rage, hoping to cull as many as possible before cooler heads can prevail.
Science?! Puleez! One pit bull killed somebody, so we need to shoot tens of millions of sweet, innocent dogs right between their eyes. Hell, why bother with putting them down easy? We can just put them all in a room and open up on them with an SMG! Let the ones who don’t get shot clean just bleed to death! How does that sound?
Seriously, get some help, sicko. The rest of us have reason and science. Maybe that’ll help you, too; one day.
Here, go see how ‘rare’ these attacks are for yourself. When you look up the definition of ‘sicko’, your comment will be there, it is very telling about your state of mind. https://www.fatalpitbullattacks.com/
Thanks again for proving my point even further. You have a list of only 448 deaths going back 181 years. That’s only 2.4 deaths a year. Here, since you don’t understand what “rare” means (you seem to think it means “common,” since you refute that statement by providing a link showing that pit bull fatalities are, indeed, incredibly rare):
https://www.google.com/search?q=rare&oq=rare&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i65l2j0l3.485j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=rare+definition&spell=1
Since you’re clearly too thick to try critical thinking for yourself, let me do it for you: That’s very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY RARE!!! If you have evidence to the contrary, showing that only 2.4 deaths a year isn’t incredibly rare, please provide it. Otherwise, sad, naive, ignorant little child, you just prove your neuroticism. Get some help.
For comparison, we can look at attacks by other animals, since you’re too thick to examine the evidence yourself: 130 Americans are killed EACH YEAR running into deer on the road! Allergic reactions to bees: 53 PER YEAR!!! Mosquito-born illness kills 3 MILLION PER YEAR!!!!! DAYUM!!!
Now, shark attacks? Well, there were 11 deaths between 2000 and 2010. Eleven! Wow! Talk about incredibly rare!
And what do you have to justify shooting TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOGS IN THE FACE?! 2.4 deaths per year. And with no evidence whatsoever that dog breed is a significant factor in dog fatalities! People like you are a wonderful demonstration of how ignorance leads to evil.
Wrong Ben! Every 10 days a HUMAN dies to pit bull mauling. Every 5 days a HUMAN loses a body part to pit bull mauling. Every SINGLE DAY, multiple domestic pets lose their lives to pit bull maulings. Every SINGLE WEEK numerous pit bulls themselves die in shelters because of people like you who think it’s mean to spay/neuter and stop overbreeding via BSL. Do you really think you can cause enough blind people to love the breed enough to save thousands of pit bulls per DAY by adopting them, all the while not encouraging even MORE breeding, and making the pit bull industry MORE rich, dog fighters MORE wealthy, and breeders MORE wealthy. Wake up, it’s time to come out of this fairy tale illusion you’ve been living in.
Great, every 3 days a HUMAN dies driving into a deer. Should we slaughter the deer, wholesale, then, just to be safe? There’s 15 million pit bulls, but only 35 of them kill someone a year? That’s a ludicrously small proportion! It’s 0.0000023%. 0.0000023% of pit bulls actually kill someone, but you want to shoot 100% of pit bulls in the face?! You’re sick. You’d have to have very racist tendencies to cling so desperately to a stereotype. Get your KKK filth out of here!
You can’t use the horror of pit bulls dying in shelters to justify BSL. BSL puts them in shelters. BSL says they are supposed to die. BSL says to put a bullet in their face. Do you not know what BSL is? Are you really this ignorant?
Save pit bulls by adopting them? BSL makes it ILLEGAL to adopt pit bulls. My god, you really don’t have any idea what BSL is, do you?! Holy crap!
BTW, since you’re so ignorant about dog breeding: There is no “pit bull industry.” Dog breeding is not highly profitable. To suggest that there’s a “pit bull industry” like there’s a cattle industry, or a hog industry, is truly a testament to your incredible ignorance! If you want to argue about the “dog industry” we can talk about animals cruelty in Iowa all day, but that has nothing to do with pit bulls, specifically.
Cincinnati and Dayton lifted their ban. Guess what occurred?More,less or the same amount of dead people and faces ripped off. It matters not as in Aurora and major populations vote 2:1 against this breed.
Or pinecones depending on where you live… lol
SMH …. the really sad thing, Harve, is people actually believe this nonsense. Sharks and coconuts …. I feel for your family and friends, disqus_vGTbrpEkdO, you must be a tremendous burden to have to watch out for daily with such a lack of common sense in such a fast moving and ever changing world.
Funny how you don’t address posts you can’t refute…
In a country of 300 million, you can somehow imagine you’re doing something good working a cause that kills 20-30 per year. Let’s start with cars (30,000) or something like that. The frequency of pits that attack and kill is .00012% even by your own total numbers. Humans killing humans is a frequency 100 times more.
Since you seem to enjoy the comparisons so much, here’s a couple more:
– hundreds are killed each year by deer running in front of their car
– about 100 are killed each year by cows
– about 40 kids drown each year in 5 gallon utility buckets
You must want to legislate everything…
You’re wrong as well. Get your numbers correct, #1 killer of people and pets really? Like above everything else in the entire world Pit Bulls kill more people and pets. HYSTERIA is what people like you cause! Do you know that pit bulls are used for PTSD therapy dogs? Would you say this to a veteran that has one? I mean seriously?
Yep, it’s the truth, number uno on killing people and pets, big number uno. Therapy dogs? Now that is a laugh. Guess you haven’t heard of the attacks by those ‘therapy’ dogs who buy a vest off the internet for $69.
NO MORON!!! https://www.pitsforpatriots.org/ here is an organization specializing in just that. BUYING A VEST?? Veterans do not buy a vest online for a dog you MORON!!!! WOW are you even an American Citizen? And if you want to say it correctly its NUMERO UNO, not number uno. Get a life
Hit a nerve, did we? Note the name, pits for patriots. And you believe such biased sites? Hey, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that is for sale, where’s your money? If you believe that pits can be true therapy dogs, then you are a prime candidate for buying that bridge.
I just proved that they can be and no not a nerve, just stating the fact that you are a moron. Did that organization buy a vest on the internet for $69.00? NO so I already proved my point. They can be therapy dogs. No I’ll let people like you buy the bridge and continue to fed like idiots the media crap and what the government tells them. SHEEPLE!!
I think you have it backwards, pits are attacking service and therapy dogs quite often, leaving many of those dogs unable to return to their work as service/therapy dogs.
https://blog.dogsbite.org/2010/09/fully-vetted-pit-nutters-and-their.html
Haha.. You got call a SHEEPLE! Love it because you are..
So? I’ve been called worse. Besides, what you guys are showing the voters of Aurora is that they were correct in voting against pits because of the types, like yourselves, who own these pits. You resort to name calling because you have nothing else to fall back on. Thanks for showing the world the types who defend this breed, not the kind of people most want as neighbors.
https://workingtohelpanimalstodaytomorrow.blogspot.com/2014/09/do-you-want-these-people-as-your.html
I wouldn’t want you as my neighbor either…So the feeling is mutual.
Here is another organization that uses all types of shelter dogs including Pits for their cause. https://www.pawsandstripes.org/ just in case the pits for patriots wasn’t enough…
You do realize that there have been attacks from these ‘therapy’ pits right? You aren’t winning here.
Wrong….humans are the #1 killer of humans and pets.
More folks are killed by lightning (5 times more) than pit pulls, more kids die drowning in 5 gallon buckets than from all dogs combined.
Banning pits is the dumbest cause I’ve seen in awhile – hope you find something more meaningful to do with your life (like banning buckets or something).
He’s actually right. I verified from the state and county sources… 32 human deaths from dogs. 25 from pitbulls, 3 from Rottweilers, 1 from german shepherd, and three from mixed breeds not related to the pitbull. Since 2006, 176 killed from pitbulls.
“I verified from state and county sources…” LOL. You mean you went to wikipedia? Give me a break! You really think those are verified breeds? You really think those aren’t just incidences of “well, it looked like it might have been a pit bull?”
Well, the science actually tells us this is the case. “Facts are stubborn things. . .” LOL!!! See how I just reversed it on you? I can do that, because I picked my side based on careful consideration of the evidence. Science! You didn’t. You don’t care about facts, evidence, and especially, science!
There are more important things to worry about than what type of dogs you can have. Critical thinking is not science; it’s a formed opinion. Dna testing is science so…
DNA testing is science? Good, I’m glad you’ve conceded that. Haha!!!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1378707_918081344883065_1333049035130798742_n.jpg?oh=bf94fef453272af870abd0b7f7d771ce&oe=54F42C39&__gda__=1425272944_67636bde19166be2c24814b2bc554202
See that? I used CRITICAL THINKING to reach a reasoned, rational conclusion based on FACTS and EVIDENCE. It’s not my opinion; it’s reality. You obviously need to look up what “critical thinking” is, since what you’ve described is NOT critical thinking. If you’d seek a proper education, you’d learn that.
And you didn’t bother to read the part where I said 3 mixed? Wouldn’t that be considered a mutt to most? Looks like not much “critical thinking” was used on your behalf. Lol
“3 mixed breeds not related to pitbull” Looks like you lack a lot more than critical thinking skills. You need to work on your reading comprehension. According to what YOU posted, not one of those pit bulls was a mutt. Did you just copy-paste it from somewhere without even reading it? Wow!
It’s okay, though. It’s obvious you’re just really, really desperate to justify your sick, irrational, violent ideations. There’s plenty of resources out there to help get those under control. If you’d like, I can help you find a therapist.
No more so than countless other breeds, without the inherent risk to society. No one gets a pit bull for these traits; if that was what it was about, they would choose one of the other 200 plus breeds.
Wrong.
Actually pitbulls in temperament testing test 90% , which out ranks your labs and toy dogs, out of 140 breeds in an American recognized study out ranked 121.
Animal planet puts Staffordshire terriers in a recommend classification as a family dog as well.
The ASPCA who encounters thousands of animals is against BSL.
If you arent going to listen o those with real life experience then go research. Factual statistical data, studies, vets and experienced trainers.
Fact doesn’t interest Karen. She doesn’t have any response when faced with it. I think this is probably what’s happening on the other side of her computer when she reads facts:
*plugs ears*I CAN’T HEAR YOU I CAN’T HEAR YOU..
I’m so glad you asked for real facts.. Here’s a real fact: In 2013, there were 32 human deaths resulting from dog attacks. 25 of them were pitbulls. 78% pitbulls! That’s a lot for a breed with only 6% population of the total dog population. That same year California had five of those dog attacks resulting in death; all of which were CONFIRMED AND DOCUMENTED AS PITBULLS. So the real statement is “I don’t think you know about pitbulls”! Btw, I have owned three pitbulls who were not agressive when I owned them and I still know the dangers of ownership and my opinion remains the same!
“All of which were CONFIRMED AND DOCUMENTED AS PITBULLS.”
If you’re going to make stuff up, you might want to lay off the caps-lock. You have no source showing this to be a fact. You have no source showing that the 78% pit bulls you claim were, in fact, pit bulls, and not just dogs that were called “pit bulls” by triage technicians in the emergency room, or morgue technicians, jotting down whatever they’re told, and ignoring the “mix” when they hear things like “it looked like a pit bull mix.”
Since there are, in fact, a hell of a lot of pit bull mutts, and your statistics show ZERO MUTTS, they must be flawed. You should really learn how to think critically, so you can make these assessments, too.
I mean, seriously, you’re talking about one of the most popular dogs in the whole country, with up to 15 million in the US alone. Even if you were right, that 100% of those 25 dogs were pit bulls, you’re justifying the slaughter of 14,999,985 innocent dogs because of the behavior of 25 of them. If you’d assess human beings with this same irrational standard, you’d have to admit our species, as a whole, should be wiped from the face of the earth. Seriously, just slaughtering all those dogs is testament to our bloodthirsty, murderous nature.
See how asinine that is? When it’s just a small handful of people, like you, who cause all the violence, it’s hard to justify slaughtering everyone else. Same thing for dogs.
This is really sad, when unacademic, unintelligent people like you try to hold your own in conversation with educated people who understand critical thinking.
“See how asinine that is? When it’s just a small handful of people, like you, who cause all the violence, it’s hard to justify slaughtering everyone else. Same thing for dogs.” Excuse me, WHO is responsible for slaughtering of everyone else? People against pit bulls in residential and commercial areas are not in the minority, it’s that they aren’t usually as vocal because they see firsthand ALL THE TIME the harassment and verbal attacks, threats of physical attacks that the pit bull community launches on those who disagree openly. Even victims themselves are subject to this.
What are you even saying? This whole post is nonsense. Get your emotions under control before you type, and maybe it won’t be. Your question, “WHO is responsible. . . ” doesn’t make any sense at all in response to my statement.
Anyway, go back and reread my comment, and maybe you’ll start to understand it, since you were clearly losing basic self-control as you read it the first time. Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to THINK as you read.
YOUR comment is the one that doesn’t make sense. Pit bulls should be banned nationwide!
can you seriously be more full of it?? You state that pitbulls advocates threaten, harass people like you? you must live in a world where you see things and hear things and read things that suit your need. IF an advocate does such a thing, then they are not truly advocates. We try to EDUCATE the uneducated about the breed. Yes, we get heated and angry because of people like you and your ignorance that you are right and everyone else is wrong and you will always have a closed mind, but when we realize that you would rather just be ignorant and racist, we move on trying to educate another. We will not give up, which is why we are vocal. You and your type of people are killing family members who are innocent, who have done nothing wrong except be born.
Rachael Honabarger
ere’s the proof you need for just the year 2013. If you don’t believe me, Google the name and dates to pull article after article on their deaths. I put it in simple format for you: Name, Age, and date of death…
Betty Todd, 65, January 8th, 2013.
Christian Gormanous, 4, January 19th, 2013
Elsie Grace, 91, February 8th, 2013
Isaiah Aguilar, 2, February 16th, 2013
Ryan Maxwell, 7, March 2nd, 2013
Daxton Borchardt, 14 months, March 6th, 2013
Monica Laminack, 21 months, March 27th, 2013
Tyler Jett, 7, April 7th, 2013
Claudia Gallardo, 38, April 11th, 2013
Jordyn Arndt, 4, April 23rd, 2013
Beau Rutledge, 2, April 24th, 2013
Rachael Honabarger, 35, May 2nd, 2013
Pamela Devitt, 63, May 9th, 2013
The list keeps going. Shall I continue?
Yes, you most definitely NEED to continue. That’s only 13. Considering there are at least 5 million (up to 15 million) pit bulls in the US, you’ve just proven that pit bull-related fatalities are a statistical ANOMALY!!! That’s 0.0000026%.
Here you go again, making it horribly obvious that you’re uneducated, don’t understand science, and are incapable of CRITICAL THINKING!!!
Anyway, in order to even get within 3 standard deviations, you need to list at least over 500,000 deaths (that’s only if there are a bare minimum of pit bulls in the US; if there is closer to 15,000,000, then you need to list at least 1.5 MILLION deaths). Get to work! Hahahaha!!!
Statistics! Science! Critical thinking! Learn it! Do it! Or be dumb. You’re choice.
You, as a pitbull advocate, have no intention to fix the problem in any manner. Seem like you enjoy watching innocent and unexpecting people killed for the sake of “saving the pitbulls”. Society is through with you.
You can make up stuff all you want; doesn’t make it true.
As a BSL advocate, you have no intention of fixing the problem in any manner. This can be PROVEN because evidence shows BSL doesn’t work.
I, as an individual opposed to BSL (I’m no “pit bull advocate;” just a rational human being using SCIENCE!!!), I DO want to fix the problem. It turns out, laws against bad owners work. BSL doesn’t. Evidence tells us this.
The way it stands, if I want to train a labrador to rip your face off, I can do that. It can kill you. The media and the law will call it a freak accident. I will not be accountable. The owner is not accountable; only the breed.
Now, if you’re done spewing nonsense, you might want to keep your thoughts to yourself. Your only embarrassing yourself with every additional comment. You prove you don’t understand science and reason.
Yes I am… by, literally, getting rid of the problem.
LOL. Um, not according to science, silly.
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
And, seriously, get read with the whole “dogsbite.org isn’t baised” nonsense. The lady even admits that she formed her opinion from a personal experience; not using science and reason. She has, literally, ZERO SCIENTIFIC SOURCES.
Please, if you know of any scientific study that supports you side, share it. If not, you should start to consider that you’re horribly uninformed, uneducated, and irrational.
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Your comment, “Considering there are at least 5 million (up to 15 million) pit bulls in the US, you’ve just proven that pit bull-related fatalities are a statistical ANOMALY!!! That’s 0.0000026%.”
Pit bull advocates tells me, “nobody can identify a pit bull”. How do you come up with those numbers of a breed that none can identify?
Pretty much makes your “statistical ANOMALY” invalid. HUE HUE HUE
No, it is an anomaly. Unreliable identification accounts for the range of 5-15 million. It doesn’t mean we don’t know there aren’t millions of pit bulls. You need to get a basic education.
Please, give us some more statistical analysis! It’s hilarious, watching ignorant laymen grasp at straws!
The people of Aurora have spoken. They do not want pit bull dogs within their city limits. Sounds reasonable to me.
Regardless what what numbers you pull out of your pit bulls rear, “5-15 million” <—- LOL! They are fighting breed dogs with fighting breed genetics and most people don't want to live next door to them.
Here is some pit bull advocacy for you https://www.facebook.com/ProtectChildrenFromPitBulls/photos/pcb.530959410340834/530958993674209/?type=1&theater
"5-15 million" pit bull in the US, get real dude!
Enjoy your life of ignorance.
LOL, so sad when you can only resort to anecdotal nonsense!
You make up whatever the hell you want. All dogs were bred from wolves, silly. They’re all predatory, vicious animals. All of them! Even my geriatric pug, blind, with old dog vestibular disease, and most teeth missing! Vicious. Killing. Machines.
The fact is, we’ve bred them into DOMESTICATED animals. Go, look it up. You’ve obviously never heard of domestication. The powerful, deadly aurochs becomes the docile cow. Even a creature built as a “fighting animal” has to be obedient, and therefor, has to have docility bred into them.
Your comment, “Electronics are allowed a failure rate of 3% (60% if we’re talking Xbox360! Wow!). That’s 150,000 dogs. You haven’t even listed a failure rate for this “GM ignition switch” strawman. If you’re going to grasp at straws, you might want to not fail so miserably at even grasping a single straw!”
Your comment, “Yes, you most definitely NEED to continue. That’s only 13. Considering there are at least 5 million (up to 15 million) pit bulls in the US, you’ve just proven that pit bull-related fatalities are a statistical ANOMALY!!! That’s 0.0000026%.”
Good lord! Please don’t handle anything electronic and any living animal. You have skills for neither of the two.
Except for pit bulls, you can have one and we can pray that you will be traded for Darla Napora.
Haha!!! Wow! You’re so furious that there’s people out there far smarter, and far better qualified to make these sorts of decisions, than you are.
Here’s a helpful life hint: Get an education. Then, you won’t be so far out of your league whenever basic statistics are presented to you.
Anyway, keep up the ad hominem attacks. Your knee-jerking is hilarious!
You’re welcome. Don’t let the door hit your pit bull in the ass.
Hahahaha!!! You mean my pug?! LOL!!! You’re too much. Obviously, reading is too complicated for you! Are the big words scary? Hahahaha!!! A basic education will help immensely with that. Get one! LMFAO!!!
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726%20
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Your comment, “Anyway, in order to even get within 3 standard deviations, you need to list at least over 500,000 deaths”
Not according to the GM ignition switch lawsuits which resulted in a huge recall of all GM cars afflicted with the ignition switch problem.
We could say pit bulls are a defective product due to all the maulings and killings of humans, pets, and livestock; however looking at the history of the pit bull dog and the original intent for the pit bull’s existence, we can honestly say the pit dog is working as intended.
Electronics are allowed a failure rate of 3% (60% if we’re talking Xbox360! Wow!). That’s 150,000 dogs. You haven’t even listed a failure rate for this “GM ignition switch” strawman. If you’re going to grasp at straws, you might want to not fail so miserably at even grasping a single straw!
You’re really sad! Keep up the ignorance. It’s hilarious!
again..WHERE did you get this info from?? if you want to quote facts, then start backing it up by a legitimate site.
A bias site called DogsBite.org. They have EVERY case from a dog killing with stories on individual people, doctors, experts and have dates, websites to verify the news articles from fox news cnn nbc and local news. Also with website citations to state animal control statistics and centers for desease control. I tried to prove them wrong or inaccurate information but all their bases are covered pretty well! That’s what happens when someone pays too much attention. Lol.
Sarah, your “i can’t hear you, I can’t hear you” spiel is WHY you are in the boat you are in – choice to remain ignorant when it suits you. By the way, way to remain adult in the conversation 😉
You should know. You were an addict for 10 years and now you’re not… lol.
Very interesting! Labs are the number one breed in America and I believe they’ve had that position for quite some time. Labs and Goldens are consider the “go to” breeds for first time owners and family. You can’t swing a cat without hitting one breed or the other. Yet when is the last time you heard of either of those breeds mauling someone to death? When is the last time you’ve heard someone crying that one of those breeds broke into their yard, or even homes, and killed their pets? When is the last time you read a story of a Lab or Golden killing their owner or the children they were raised with? When is the last time a pit bull seriously mauled or killed someone? Oh yeah, YESTERDAY! And the day before that. And the day before that. Two fatalities in a 24 hour period back in the summer and two fatalities (two MORE) in a 72 hour period not long after that. Animal Planet. Hmmm, now aren’t they a commercial entity paid for by advertisers? I am sure they couldn’t possibly influence at all because “Animal Planet” is like a university of canine experts! One only has to look at the actual numbers to realize the ATTS is seriously flawed when it comes to predicting aggression (which is NOT it’s purpose).
https://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2010/08/there-are-three-kinds-of-lies-lies.html
Karen DO SOME RESEARCH. There have been recent attacks. A wonderful Retriever had to be shot by the police because it was mauling it’s owner. Theses attacks by other breeds happen daily, you just don’t see them in front page media unless it’s a supposed “pit bull”.
BUT…..NOT……COMPLETE MAULINGS….AND DEATHS…..
GET A EFFING GRIP.
See this is what is wrong with bsl. It causes people to think that other breeds are safe and that is how people get injured or killed. Look at alldogsbite.org on facebook and you will find many MAULINGS AND DEATHS from other breeds.It does happen and it is not going away as long as bsl is in place
“Swing a cat”? “Swing a cat”???
Charming. So in addition to being a committed hater of “pit bulls,” you feel animosity for cats too.
FYI “room to swing a cat” is a reference to old-timey naval punishment: flogging with the “cat o’ nine tails” whip.
You’re grasping for straws, hon. It shows.
I’m going to say this again. I was bit by a yellow lab.
Sorry to hear that but what does that have to do with this story? I’ve been stung by bees before, but I got over it. A mauling is not so easy for people to get over.
I was bit by a labrador retriever as in…any dog can bite or maul you. Any dog can kill you for that matter.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby-ripped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711
Funny you should use that example! That dog had been recently adopted and other sites show better photos of it (although the one on your link is good enough) and videos. Look at that dog’s eyes and ear to ear “Joker” grin – yeah, sure that’s a “Lab Golden” mix. This is likely just another case of a shelter deliberately lying about the breed to cover up a pit bull. It appears to be a pit bull-golden mix. No matter what you mix them with, you can never disguise those demonic eyes! Regardless, if it it was a “lab-golden” mix, it was from two years ago and it was extremely out of the ordinary for either breed; and the child was, at such a young age, extremely delicate. Yes, you can most certainly dig around and find the odd fatality by other breeds – every couple years or so it happens. It happens with these ghetto hounds every couple of WEEKS.
I really do feel that more awareness needs to be raised for Labs as well though. They aren’t normally as aggressive as pits and nor do they do the amount of harm and permanent damage as pits but they are a leader in bites which is not something to ignore. Pits are just a breed that carry a risk that in no way is acceptable to me. I fully support a Pit Bull ban or at minimum having these dogs muzzled anytime they are outside, this includes being in their own yards or even out on a balcony or having open windows since they have no problem jumping to escape.
Well, since humans trained tens of thousands of pit bulls to fight to the death, and hundreds of thousands of owners obtain pits for the wrong reasons, I’d say these stats support the advocates (about 20 deaths per year with 5,000,000 pit bulls). I can’t imagine another medium to large breed would do less damage in these circumstances. This is a human problem…
That’s why Denver (with a breed ban) has the highest instance of bites in all of Colorado per capita despite their breed ban (because we didn’t ban the bad owners…). Bad owners simply get German Shephards, or other breeds that satisfy what they want.
Karen ALL children are
extremely delicate. And you are DEFENDING the dog for ripping the childs legs
off??!! There is more wrong with you than I thought.
If a “Pit Bull” had
done this, even on a “delicate child” over 2 years ago you would have that
SLATHERED everywhere in here. Funny how
that works. If other breeds maim &
kill there are excuses, but if a wretched “pit bull” does this the world is
coming to an end.
So which are you
Karen, the Kettle or the Pot?
marell kim, pit bull advocates love to talk about the ATTS but fail to understand the test. The ATTS was designed for Schutzhund enthusiasts and for police work. The test does not test for suitability as a pet. The test does not certify any dog safe or even pleasant. The test is breed specific, not all breeds have the same standards. The test has a strong self selection bias, you don’t take a dog that you think will fail. Having said all that, pit bulls score very middle of the road. Please google the ATTS website to verify. The website also has a disclaimer that the test should not be used to guarantee the safety of any breed. Have done this test with my dog and understand it very well. Please read up on it if you want to use it for propaganda. The owner of a dog that passes gets a certificate in the mail. The certificate does not impact insurance, exempt a dog from breed or housing restrictions, does not get the owner 50% off on a cup of coffee at McDonalds.
The temperament testing method is flawed and the test is only 12 minutes long. Would you be able to detect a serial killer amongst others in twelve minute? I think not! The 12-minute test stimulates a casual walk through a park with a range of encounters. The test focuses on stability, shyness, aggressiveness and a few other factors. According to the group, the overall pass rate (the combination of all breeds) is 81.6%.22 Unlike the AKC’s Canine Good Citizen test, no part of the ATTS test is performed without the dog owner present. It also fails to evaluate the most basic scenario that leads to aggression: How a dog reacts when it sees another dog.
Thats funny you should mention that because the vice president of rspca said that pitbulls are an atrocitie and danger to people and other dogs…
False testing protocols. Can’t be used on dogs that DON’T FOLLOW DOG RULES. When another dog presents a submissive posture, the dominant dog is NOT SUPPOSED TO KILL IT. FREAKS!
The 12-minute test stimulates a casual walk through a park with a range of encounters. The test focuses on stability, shyness, aggressiveness and a few other factors. According to the group, the overall pass rate (the combination of all breeds) is 81.6%.22 Unlike the AKC’s Canine Good Citizen test, no part of the ATTS test is performed without the dog owner present. It also fails to evaluate the most basic scenario that leads to aggression: How a dog reacts when it sees another dog.
I get my Pitbulls because they are the most compassionate and intelligent dogs I’ve ever met.
We’ve had all sorts ourselves and I’ve also worked in shelters and veterinary offices.
I will never switch breeds.
My girl sleeps under the blankets between my legs every night, she’ll take food right out of my mouth as gentle as can be, and has even prevented my younger sister from being kidnapped at a fair…
Seriously, these animals are incredible companions.
Many breeds of dogs were originally (hundreds of years ago) bred for fighting. And many breeds have changed.
Takes 40-50 years for bred inheritance of traits to change. So you’re saying within hundreds of years, these dogs haven’t changed?
That’s actually the point. Do you imagine if pit bulls are gone the bad owners go away? They simply select another breed, which will then become your ‘demon’ dog. My guess is German Shephards, but who knows. Breed ban is the solution of a moron, with no site beyond the day.
totally agree with you 100% on that one too…
So are dozens of other breeds, and they won’t kill the kid or your neighbor’s grandmother.
what breeds are that? golden retrievers? two years ago one killed a 2-month old baby.
Breed doesn’t mean anything.
Can you please post a reference or site where you found the information on a golden retriever killing a 2month old baby. I would like to read that information for myself.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby-ripped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711
Thank you! I always like to read about them for myself. I will say that this was not just a golden retreiver, this was a mixed breed who was also part lab. Labs are one of the leading breeds that do bite but usually are not this aggressive so this was suprising to me. I wonder if they tested the dog to see if there were other bloodlines in this particular dog. I couldnt find anywhere that stated they checked into it. Either way, any information as to breeds that become this aggressive especially to children need to be known so that people can be aware of the risks and take that into account. Since this is so rare and we hardly hear of cases of mixed breeds like this mauling a child I feel its very important to make that information public. People dont see how dangerous dogs are because we dont cover them in the media and don’t inform ourselves. If people were forced to read about every single mauling or see the severe damage that some of these dogs have, then maybe it wouldn’t be something that people can keep sweeping under the rug, pretending like it doesnt happen.
Look more closely at those eyes! I doubt that is a lab/golden cross! You can’t cross-breed those eyes!
The death toll for just humans alone by pit bulls is up to 448. Show me any other breed that has 448 deaths (and don’t deflect the question with stupid “pit bulls aren’t a breed” crap. Then, when you’re done with that, find me a couple of thousand permanently maimed and disfigured people due to one breed. When you’re done with that, then find me tens of thousands of domestic pets and livestock dead by one breed, as they are by pitbulls. I’ll save you some time – you won’t be able to because pitbulls kill more than ALL OTHER DOG BREEDS COMBINED. It’s not rocket science, people.
Can you guarantee that those “Pitbulls” were 100% of the breeds listed?
You cannot.
Your point is irrelevant.
and where are you getting your information from Lisa?? dogsbite? you know that and the other websites that are there specifically to have all pitbulls killed? I would love to know where you got your facts from…because I can tell you..they are nothing but BS
There are only about 30 to 33 total dog related fatalities a year. The likelihood of being struck by lightning is four times greater. More people are maimed and disfigured each year by falling trees which kill about 128 people a year.
You’re a cold person. You should work for GM and tell everyone who’s family members died from the ignition switch problem the same garbage you spew here.
Cars aren’t being banned.
The cars are being recalled and the problem fixed which is more than what I can say for pit bull dogs.
At least GM is fixing the problem, pit bull advocates are not.
Science shows us BSL does NOT fix the problem, as dog breed is not significantly correlated with incidences of dog bite fatalities.
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
But you’d have to be scientifically literate to get that. You haven’t received any sort of scientific education.
The vast majority of pits are not dangerous. Parents are statistically 800 times as likely to kill a child, and they think and act on their own.
It can be estimated that for every Pit Bull who kills, there are 10.5 MILLION that DON’T!
Two years ago ONE killed a 2 month old baby? Are you referring to the so-called “Lab-Golden mix” that tore the baby’s leg off and he later died? I believe that baby was 2 WEEKS by the way. There are countless pics of that dog and I would suspect from looking at it, it is not a “lab-golden” mix, but a “pit-golden” mix. You can see it in the eyes and the freakishly large mouth. I don’t care what you cross a pit with, it will always have those darn beady, demonic eyes of the pit. So anyway, that’s impressive that you found A golden attack a couple of years ago! If you keep looking, you’ll even dig up a story of a Pomeranian killing a newborn and a couple of serious Lab attacks (but you’ll need to go back a few years). Meanwhile, it Pitdom:
https://www.fatalpitbullattacks.com/
https://occupymaulstreet.blogspot.com/2013/01/pit-bulls-should-they-be-called-life.html
and how do you know that?? do they tell you that? do you have direct communication with all the dogs you meet?? just asking.
Sure are, until their genetic traits kick in! Then you best hope someone is near with a gun or a break stick! Risk takers!
So was the one that attacked my son. No warning and wasn’t provoked. Just jumped on him right in front of me. The way they attack when they attack makes them an unnecessary risk.
post a picture of the devastating effect. if you cant I call bull****
Here’s one. ..
So, if a welsh corgi did something similar to my face, should we start culling them, too?
Time to go a’corgi killin’!
source please.
Source ? From a Pit Bull… You would believe it anyway.
I would, Stephen I’m not saying at all that these incidents don’t happen. but I like due diligence and would like to know where these photos originated whether or not from a site or organization for these BSL laws using these photos to scare people into thinking ALL bully breed dogs are vicious killers.
So after you get the info you do what blame the child,blame the owner? Blame the adoption agency? Please realize that they are breed for the pit and supporters are ruining the breed.
These happened in Ohio after the state ban was lifted. There are more.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2716890/Grandmother-59-mauled-death-family-pit-bull-Polo-two-year-old-grandson.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/06/mom-beat-pit-bulls-bat-daughter-attack/10055885/
thank you for the information finally a reputable source, and these are very tragic stories. and as I have said before its my choice to own a bully breed and have owned 3 different types a bull mastiff, a mixed mastiff-pitbull and now an american pitbull and as if it were my choice to own a gun. thats of my choosing I don’t march in protest against BSL I just don’t agree with limiting it to one breed you don’t hear about a chihuahua mauling someone because its impossible, but if you target one aggressive breed why not all, my friend had an aggressive poodle I was bitten several times but I dont run out and say all poodles must die, I think a vicious dog law is more sensible. again just my opinion.
If can equate a poodle bite with a pit bull mauling then you are a nut. All the same to you. Equal bite is a bite. Heard it before.
Unfortunately it’s not letting me post one from my phone so if you need to see you can read my son’s story and see his pics on my fb page Family Pit bulls Maul Too. Even if I was able to post a pic you would probably tell me that it wasn’t a pit bull because I don’t know how to identify one. Or my kid must have provoked it, I must have left him unsupervised or the pit was raised wrong.
Michaela I’m truly sorry for what occurred to your son and I would never downplay such a terrible incident and make excuses for the owner or the dog or put the blame on the child, in this case the animal should be labeled as a vicious dog and dealt with accordingly, my argument here is not all pitbulls attack and that to portray them all as vicious animals is in my opinion not correct. but again thats my opinion. it’s truly tragic what happen to your son and I agree that the owner and dog should be held responsible.
I’m sorry what happened to your son….that doesn’t give you the right to spread your fear and hate….any dog could have done that to him
Here’s one of his scar that’s visible. He’s got more covered by his hair.
He’s got more on his scalp covered by his hair.
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They certainly are and I agree 100%. I love all dogs, regardless of breed, but as an intelligent human being, you have to admit there’s an issue with pits. You simply can’t ignore it. I’m a GSD owner, vet tech, dog trainer, and ASPCA volunteer…you have to own up to the fact that there is a small percentage of pit bulls who are aggressive and violent. It’s those dogs who ruin it for all the rest. The people who oppose pit bulls don’t argue that there are well-behaved pit bulls, but the ones that aren’t can cause horrific damage. That’s their issue and we’re never going to change their minds. We all know it’s the owner and not the dog, but unfortunately you can’t ever fix stupid. You can’t train every human on being responsible dog owner, therefore it’s like tossing a loaded gun into the middle of a playground. I don’t know if this issue will ever be put to rest unfortunately.
Oh yeah, until they suddenly and for no apparent reason tear somebody’s throat out. If pit bulls ONLY killed their owners, I’d say let them have it.. but pit bulls kill innocent kids, neighbors and harmless pets so they have to GO! A nationwide BAN is what is needed in this country!
No reason is void in the animal kingdom, unles rabid or mental issues like brain humors.all animals have instinct . Kill kids just cause? How about teach kids how to handle animals and respect them. Stop having “so cute” pictures where the dogs tail is being pulled or being sat on or used as a stepstool . And of.course mind your children not just from dogs but all tings that may harm them.
You couldn’t be more wrong about pit bulls. You just drank the kool aide. and no I do not own one, but would not hesitate to live near one or own one in the future.
You call trying to save children, pets, mothers, grandfathers, from being ripped to pieces, drinking the koolaid? You are the drunk one, put it down, people are dying and you want to defend the murderers?
So because there are .00009% of the supposed 5-10 MILLION pit bull TYPE dogs that are unfavorable and have irresponsible owners that means they should all be banned? That makes total sense. We better ban cars for killing people, cigarettes, guns, etc. THIS IS A PEOPLE PROBLEM!!!! Banning supposed “Pit Bulls” will NOT solve dog attacks and deaths. Fact: labs kill, huskies kill, mutts kill etc. It is IRRESPONSIBLE people that allow dog bites/attacks to happen. That and irresponsible backyard breeders, who *gasp* are humans!
Yeah not to mention canines (all of them) are responsible for 20-30 deaths a year (https://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dogbites/dog-bite-related-fatalities/) versus one of your examples, cigarettes, which cause 5 million deaths a year (https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/). There is like, zero relativity in these people’s arguments.
Sarah, go to the National Canine Research Association and check out their credentials. They are an LLC – a privately owned company owned by none other than the pit bull industry. They are not a government agency but it’s no coincidence they try to sound like one. Their goal is to mislead people like you and apparently they have succeeded in your case. You make them rich. Keep believing everything they say – and see for yourself if what I’m telling you is or is not true.
Do you argue with the stats then, or just deflect the issue? More folks are killed by cows than all dogs combined. This issue is nuts when over 30,000 are killed each year by cars (should we post gruesome pics and suggest we ban cars?), and humans kill each other at a rate of 1,000 per each pit killing.
Find a real problem to address and join a real cause.
Each and everyone of those ‘harmless’ pits have the same coursing through their veins, the breeding of generations, and that is to kill. Having a pit is no different that playing Russian roulette with yourself. Pits kill more owners than any other breed. Pits have killed three rescuers of pits, killed by their own ‘pet’ pit. Roll those dice, pits are highly unpredictable, that is the problem, and it doesn’t depend on those ‘irresponsible’ owners you speak of either.
Harve, you did not make a statement that was even remotely logical. IF THE ENTIRE BREED HAS “KILL COURSING THROUGH THEIR VEINS” PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME SIR WHY THE MILLION ARENT ATTACKING PEOPLE????????
As soon as you explain why you think they aren’t?
Yeah I would like you explain that to me too sir…
Well. For one, my pit loves cats, children and other dogs.
Seriously? There are an estimated 5-10 MILLION in the US alone. If your idiotic comment were true there would be hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of attacks yearly.
Please TRY and use that grey matter between your ears prior to posting.
people like HarveMorgan
The slogan ” it’s the owners, not the dogs” was designed to protect pit bull breeders and owners, the slogan ignores the genetic history of the breed and blames these horrific maulings — inflicted by the pit bull’s genetic “hold and shake” bite style — on environmental factors. While environment plays a role in a pit bull’s behavior, it is genetics that leaves pit bull victims with permanent and disfiguring injuries.
Really – you think dogs are “murderers”?
It’s common for a pitbull sympathizer to blame the victims rather than accept the consequences of a dog breeds genetic structure and actions. Lol.
Actually, we blame the owners….To blame the breed is another great example of cowards not willing to take accountability for what humans cause (just point a finger at the breed or whatever).
Has your dog ever pooped on the floor? Did you train them to do that? Did you ever backtalk your parents? Did your parents train you to do that? Dogs have a mind of their own and will do what they choose at any given moment of time. When you have a dog that is selectively bred for centuries to fight to the death, withstand pain, and conceal warning signals, this is what you get. Ask yourself why pit bulls are chosen to be fighting dogs and not poodles, not labs, not chihuahuas… think real hard about this, there’s a reason behind it.
Many dogs were bred for fighting. Pits had a nice hiatus in the late 1800s and most of the 1900s. In the 1980s fighting pits picked up largely in gang circles. They are great dogs for fighting because they are loyal to humans, and aren’t quite big enough to take down their owner if they revolt. If you fought German Shephards, they could kill their owner.
Its ashame how we’ve treated this breed, then blamed them like cowards.
Yeah, I’d call thinking that shooting tens of millions of dogs in the face to “save children, pets, mothers, grandfathers from being ripped to pieces” is most definitely “drinking the koolaid.” Ever heard of a non-sequitur? Cuz you’ve got a BIG one on your hands there! LOL!
You need to get off of the recreational drugs you’re abusing and on some real medication.
Again, you show the mind of those who care nothing for the carnage being done by their beloved breed. Tens of millions, c’mon get real.
Harve, sweetie, are you gonna try taking your own advice? When you say “get real,” it implies that I need to check with the facts of reality. But I have done that. You haven’t.
So, silly child, let’s “get real:” It’s estimated that at 5 million pit bulls in the US alone, possibly as many as 15 million. That’s already over 10 million. Already, “tens of millions” worldwide is looking pretty accurate. Have you bothered looking up these numbers AT ALL?! OMG, you’re sad!
That’s just one country. From there, we can very safely assume there are tens of millions worldwide. There has to be, because there’s probably at least 10 million in this one country alone.
You are arguing for the elimination of three breeds, in their entirety. You are advocating shooting tens of millions of dogs in the face. If this is really too much for you to understand, you may want to go back to school and maybe seek special education. It’s not complicated, but you seem to be having a lot of cognitive difficulties here.
Hey “Hon”, have you awaken yet? Two days ago, the majority of folks in Aurora voted, they believed us, not you. LOL that’s the end of it, on to make the State of Colorado a BSL state.
Haha!!! Now you’re justifying being wrong by saying, “Well, the ignorant majority agrees.” Nvm that most voters are uninformed. Nvm that most are OLD and SENILE! Nvm critical thinking; just as long as you’re with “the majority.” Hahaha!!!
You’ve reached a new low! You have to be the saddest individual I have ever had the displeasure of coming across. You justify hateful ignorance with “the majority.”
The Nazis were supported by “the majority” (by “the majority” I mean those who were most politically active; turns out, Nazis were always in the minority, much like your BSL supporters). You think the Nazis were right, then? You use the same sort of logic as them. Thanks for clearing that up, you racist pig!
BTW, silly ignorant child, Colorado has anti-BSL legislation. Aurora and Denver made their legislation in defiance of this. It is against the law for the state to become a BSL state. You might want to do any research at all before spewing nonsense all over your keyboard. Your ignorance is just so pathetic! Hahaha!!!
Harve, you’re losing your touch! Aurora is one of the tiny percent of areas with this breed ban, so if you want to go with the majority…game over for you! Bans are going away around the country! Yes!
How do you explain the thousands of pits that are euthanized due to pit bull advocates doing NOTHING to help them. You are not going to be able to get thousands of people to adopt and save every one of them. If, in a million years, that ever did happen – guess what, the breeders would be so spurred on, they’d just breed even MORE! It’s a never ending cycle. Do you not see that? No one shoots these dogs unless they are actively being attacked – if pit bulls weren’t running the streets loose, the owners would be present to avoid these shootings, now wouldn’t they? Or do you think a person should just surrender their life so as not to offend pit bull owners? It’s bad enough you all choose to endanger your OWN children and families. Don’t expect the public to sit still and take it while you endanger OURS. YOU signed up for danger – we did not.
I told you to calm down! Now calm down, dammit! You’re being irrational, spewing total nonsense all over your keyboard. It’s obvious you’re losing self-control.
How do I explain thousands of pit bulls being euthanized? The same way I explain thousands of dogs being euthanized. There’s a lot of unwanted dogs, of all breeds. People should spay or neuter their pets. That does not specifically apply to pit bulls, at all. BSL is not “please spay or neuter your pets.” BSL is “we have to kill your nice, loving, sweet family pet because it looks a certain way.”
Pit bull advocates DO help them (despite your nonsense claim that they are “doing NOTHING to help them” that has no basis in reality). They are pit bull advocates, which means they like the breed and are likely to adopt them. Every adopted dog helps. That’s how this works.
What I’m really confused about is how you plan to find a home for these thousands of dogs by making it illegal to adopt these dogs into homes? How are you helping them by putting bullets in their faces? Sure, they aren’t actually being shot in the face, but they are being given a shot, that kills them. It’s the same thing. If you have a problem with lethal shots being administered willy-nilly, you have a problem with BSL.
Seriously, go look up what BSL is, since you clearly don’t know.
Feed them to the mountain lions! Nature’s happy to help them. Lol
448 dead Americans, all by the breed you people worship. https://www.fatalpitbullattacks.com
propoganda!
and guns kill people all by themselves.
Dead people is propaganda huh? Grow a brain or shut up!
nice comment Cindy, talk about us pit bull owners turning to negative comments when things don’t go our way. real mature. you don’t even realize that the anti pitbull lobbyist put out that stuff to make you believe that all bully breed dogs are these horrible monsters when in fact, 3/4 of the people on this page here have never been in contact or have any real knowledge of these dogs except what you have read on the internet or been lead to believe by this sort of propaganda. except for 1 and I’ve already expressed my sympathy to that young lady for the tragedy that her and her son had to endure.
Less per year than folks who are hit by falling coconuts (yes, actually), or killed by cows. Humans murder a few thousand other humans per year, yet we freak out that pits poorly trained by humans kill 20. Amazing level of ignorance here.
You’re incredibly stupid! Coconuts? Cows? The only statement you made I can agree on is the last!
Au contraire, sweetheart – you are not only drinking the Kool Aid, you’re manufacturing it, preparing it, advertising it AND drinking it.
how do you breed a dog to kill?….
Read the old books of those who designed the pit bull, they have many suggestions. You can find them on Amazon.
you are just as sick as your buddies…..man it will be a fine day when *haters* are put to rest
Amen to that..
The same way you breed dogs to point, to retrieve, to guard flocks, to go down burrows and kill ground hogs, to gather livestock into groups by nipping heels, to walk across the backs of livestock in a herd…
and all pointers point?…..all labs retrieve, all hunting dogs hunt……keep writing….we need a good laugh
Another stupid person….Why don’t you go educate yourself first before you start making stupid comments on here….and nobody wants to hear your crap..
HarveMorgan…good point. But that’s like saying all people who have a predisposition to a mental illness is going to turn out to have depression, mania, hallucinations, violent behaviors etc. But for those who are raised in a family that teaches resiliency, affect regulation, kindness and other positive ways to overcome obstacles will probably be a very stable and balanced person.
Just like people all dogs are individuals. It would be like saying all people from Aurora are stupid.
Really? Because last time I checked, pit bulls originated in Britain and protected children- hence the nickname they used to have as being “nanny dogs”. Please do some research and learn actual facts instead of repeating some false nonsense.
Tracy, it’s stupid Huffington Post nonsense like what you are posting that gets people killed when their dog suddenly attacks and decapitates their child, like pit bull owners the Rutledge family encountered with their baby, Beau. They had owned the pit bull, Kissy Face, for EIGHT YEARS with no prior aggression problems. E-I-G-H-T years.
300 million people in this country, 5 million pits, and we’re really going to site one example at a time?
Let’s tackle a real issue. More folks killed by cows than pits
100% agree!
What a dumb comment. Until the 1980’s, this breed was not considered dangerous. I wonder if this is more of human problem perhaps? If we train any breed of dog to fight (labs even), that dog will be a problem.
Are you serious? Pits have always been considered dangerous.
Not until the 1980s….sorry. I don’t buy into the nanny dog talk, but they were a very popular family dog and were common on cultural items of the day in the 1900s (little rascals dog, RCA dog, 2 presidents had them in the white house).
I feel more bad for you now because you apparently just don’t know any better. Look up dog attacks, and see how pit attacks started out of nowhere in the 1980s (when gangs started to acquire them) and went up from there.
By the way, over the last 20 years, pits are not in the top 3 for per capita attacks – that belongs to Chow-chows, Rottweiller, and German Shephards. Of course pit total attacks are higher, because there are so many more of them.
Your an idiot! This breed was bred for the purpose of watching children!!!!! Educate yourself!!!! These dogs are more commonly known as nanny dogs because of the love and protection they give to CHILDREN!
Sorry Jen, I think you you think I am against Pitties. I am not. I was actually responding in sarcasm. I am Pro-Pit bull. Thanks
This is completely false. Please educate yourself. These dogs were killing people as soon as the breed was developed. Even Bad Rap, who initially created this false story, has retracted it. Check their website.
Not only that she is the most ignorant person I’ve ever met on here…. She will go round and round in circles with you is just a waste of time..
#1 animal choice for dog fighters….
I’m so glad you asked for real facts.. Here’s a real fact: In 2013, there were 32 human deaths resulting from dog attacks. 25 of them were pitbulls. 78% pitbulls! That’s a lot for a breed with only 6% population of the total dog population. That same year California had five of those dog attacks resulting in death; all of which were CONFIRMED AND DOCUMENTED AS PITBULLS. So the real statement is “I don’t think you know about pitbulls”! Btw, I have owned three pitbulls who were not agressive when I owned them and I still know the dangers of ownership and my opinion remains the same!
Good for you, you can also search things on the internet and still claim them to be fact. Like I told so many others on this thread, I know my dogs and so many others that are just wonderful. They are DOGS, PERIOD!! A dog is a dog and as soon as we start treating it in that manner this archaic way of thinking will stop. My dogs and my friend’s dogs (all bullies) are nothing like what all these people describe so why ban a breed when its quite evident that its how they are raised that is the issue. I also don’t believe you have ever owned one. I furthermore don’t believe that people that have no clue in what they are talking about have the right to tell people like me and anyone I know what kind of dog we can own or not. That’s it, that’s all I got.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
-John Adams
I’m so glad you asked for real facts.. Here’s a real fact: In 2013, there were 32 human deaths resulting from dog attacks. 25 of them were pitbulls. 78% pitbulls! That’s a lot for a breed with only 6% population of the total dog population. That same year California had five of those dog attacks resulting in death; all of which were CONFIRMED AND DOCUMENTED AS PITBULLS. So the real statement is “I don’t think you know about pitbulls”! Btw, I have owned three pitbulls who were not agressive when I owned them and I still know the dangers of ownership and my opinion remains the same!
No, breed of dog has nothing to do with dog bites: https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/blog/potentially-preventable-husbandry-factors-co-occur-in-most-dog-bite-related-fatalities/
After this, maybe you can show us how smoking has nothing to do with lung cancer and link us to the Phillip Morris page! https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/2014/09/the-pit-bull-lobby/
Hey can you post that one link you have that backs your personal opinion again? Totes didn’t get it the first seventy times you posted it..
Or that smoking weed is so good for everyone too. I mean this is in Colorado, right? I mean how can you be so open minded to legalize one thing and not another that has nothing to do with the breed of dog in itself. All dogs are a product of how they are raised and handled just like children. People these days don’t take accountability for their actions and so many animals pay the price. Everyone is quick to pass the buck and blame onto society, government or and lets not forget their environment. Why is it that we cant just say that the person at the other end of the leash should be responsible for their dog and to blame.
Karen you just have diarrhea spewing from the mouth…. .why don’t you just shut up and go to bed..
And responsible non-dog owners know how to interact with any dog. Most of the time when people get bit, it’s because they don’t know this. I have a pit bull and people & their kids bombard her with reaching out their hands to pet her, “Oooo doggy!!!” Come on now. I would never do this to any dog because ANY dog could get frightened. I always say, “You need to ask the dog owner if it’s okay. And you need to make sure this dog has been socialized.” Which my pup has been with people AND other dogs (dog parks 3x/wk). THAT, my friend is what it means to be a RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNER AND NON-DOG OWNER.
You’re an idiot. Let’s ban you.
I am so glad that I will never meet a lot of you ignorant people because I just know where I would end up. You want to start calling names, etc Karen because we all know that is just the type of person you are. I am a very responsible dog owner, who owns pits and other types of dogs. I educated myself on breeds. I learned from others and still do. YOU really better pray that one day you will grow your own brain and start using it because as it stands now…you are in a world of trouble if you try to talk to someone face to face. oh yeah..you probably have a whole different tune when you do meet someone don’t you?? nothing like that good old screen courage.
I’m with you Michelle!! There are so many ignorant people! Banning stupid people makes a lot more sense. If dogs are mean it is because idiot people made them that way. Dogs are not born mean. It’s just like kids – they are all born innocent but horrible parents can mess them up.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
-John Adams
Your ignorance showing
Great idea! Better yet, lets ban dachshunds since they’re been studied and classified as the most aggressive breed. And chihuahuas or jack Russells who come in second and third. (Check your facts buddy…) oh wait, they don’t like facts in your realm, do they? Well just in case that isn’t enough for you, lets look at bite statistics in aurora for the past ten years:
Year — Total Bites / Bites by targeted breeds / Bites by other breeds
2003 — 213 / 28 / 185
2004 — 211 / 33 / 178
2005 — 137 / 27 / 110
Ordinance Passed October 24, 2005
2006 — 137 / 8 / 129
2007 — 172 / 15 / 157
2008 — 224 / 8 / 216
2009 — 229 / 9 / 220
2010 — 194 / 6 / 188
2011 — 252 / 9 / 243
2012 — 241 / 6 / 235
2013 — 243 / 10 / 233
Hm, thats weird, looks like since this legislation bites have actually drastically increased. Interesting. By the way, that total bite data is public information available to anybody that cares to, I dunno, LEARN about what they’re talking about? I know, crazy concept. But you probably didn’t know because none of the media outlets decided to cover it in your area. Couldn’t be because they’re a profiting sensationalizing nonacademic source, could it? But lets listen to them alone anyways despite every academic expert organization on animal behavior agreeing that bls is ineffective and not legitimate.
The ignorance on this page is glaringly obvious based on fact alone, but thanks at least for giving me something productive to do for ten minutes. If you still don’t understand, I do know of a language your kind find very familiar…
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
If you cannot tell the difference between a minor dog bite versus losing an arm or one’s face – you have a real problem. If you think it is just fine that others suffer and die to allow you to have the dog you prefer – you have a real problem. Try reading https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_12?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=the+psychopath+test&sprefix=the+psychopa%2Caps%2C240&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Athe+psychopath+test
https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/blog/potentially-preventable-husbandry-factors-co-occur-in-most-dog-bite-related-fatalities/
You are obviously uneducated! Let’s ban stupid people like you
why don’t YOU go live somewhere else….we are sick of hater fools like you and your following.
You make *hate* stay alive in this world….we want you gone…..can we ban you…Karen…Gab…Yotie…Tom…..this is a certain group…and the group resembles the KKK clan…a bunch of haters that need to be run out of here
The day THAT happens is the day myself, my child and my entire family cross seas to join a Muslim terrorism group.
That would mark the point where America is no longer worth saving.
Thank God it’ll never happen.
Land of the free?
Try land if the obese, lazy, ignorant and cruel.
I totally agree! Nationwide BAN on pit bulls NOW!
Leave it to the media to lead uninformed voters to ignore statistical facts, science, and expert opinion. Sad when our government is behind its citizens and the media to perpetuate animal abuse. But to follow the advice of Mark Twain, “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference”.
The statistical facts are that PITBULLS kill more people than any other breed. Good riddance!!
Ignorance all around. So we ban bully breeds. Congrats, now the idiots that MADE these dogs into killers will just buy Rottweilers, German shepherds, Akitas, Dobermans, etc, and make them into killers as well. No point in breed specific bans. Wish Aurora would ban idiots, like half of the people who commented here, who likely have never owned or interacted with a Pit-bull in their lives.
Typical bully owner reasoning. Oh, there are idiots here alright. Yes, there are. Do you own a mirror?
Mary Ann, do you won a mirror? I think you would feel great if there were no dogs at all, wouldn’t ya? Also, have you noticed that a Staffordshire Terrier won an award at AKC Championship last year?
Not according to the CDC. Comically, I suspect you received you “facts” from The Sentinal or from Cole en Lynn! Furthermore, add up all the dog bit incidences in the US in any given year, then look at the estimated number of pits in the US. Go ahead and blame 100% of all dog bits on pits, then go back and take a look at your statistics book from your freshman year of college and tell us what statistically significant biggie man you are so terrified of. Either that or use reason and logic rather than emotion to guide your thinking. However you respond will show us who you really are.
CDC? Since when did you start trusting them? Oh,Only when you agree with them .
Uhhhh… you wouldn’t know who or what I trust. Either way, CDC, American Bar Association, ASPCA, American Temperament Testing Society, American Veteranary Medical Association……. I know, I know, they have thousands of hours of direct one on one interaction with these animals, but you have read the newspaper and virtually no direct personal experiece… so clearly your emotional judgement are more accurate. Love how those who lack a sense of empaty, of compassion, of decency, etc., have the greatest sense of self righteousness, sense of self importance…
So then you must trust what they said about the Nurse in Maine. Okay then.
so this must mean you trust what the CDC says about the nurse in Maine.
So then you are okay with nurse in Maine?
Seriously, are you wanting to debate me on ebola now??? Come on sweet heart, get back on your meds so you can stay focused.
way to go man! avoid the question
No, I just wanted to see if you support the woman in Maine cause the CDC says she is safe, i mean you know since you do trust the cdc so much or do you only support what YOU want to believe.
Pit Bulls are a danger to the public too
Normal people don’t want fighting breed dogs within their city limits. What’s hard to understand about that?
As far as the sources you claim as supporters of pit bull dogs, they are all influenced by the dog industry. Victims of pit bull attacks are just that, victims. A 2 to 1 vote in favor of BSL shows the silent voices of citizens who’s only wish is to live peacefully in the city of Aurora and not be burdened by the violence and unpredictability of the pit bull fighting dog.
I believe there will be more elections regarding BSL in this format and the silent majority will prevail and not the loud, obnoxious, and morally bankrupt pit bull owners.
Enjoy your life of ignorance.
Our statistics BLEED AND DIE. To you, they are just numbers on a page.
To me, it is reality versus irrational fear and emotion. There are a lot more things in the world that are much more dangerous than any breed of dog. Humans are at the top of that list.
The statistical fact is that the majority of rapes are committed by men…..does that make you a rapist, MrColorado??? Your reasoning is ignorant.
Mark Twain also said, “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.” Listen up, sfisk1. He’s talking to YOU.
Hahaha, you can’t even quote people properly. Educate yourself sometime, it’s no surprising your comments about pitbulls are so ignorant, https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/17/remain-silent/
Oh great, the psychopathic ravings of Debbie Bell. Sad when humans lack empathy.
Sure is sad when humans lack empathy. Pit bull fans make every single excuse in the book when a pit bull maims or kills someone and even blame the VICTIM. These victims are horribly scarred, many armless or legless, many having to have prosthetic noses, ears and eyeballs, many unable to speak because their tongues were yanked out and, of course, 30 or more per year are being laid to rest in a cemetery ALL because of PIT BULL TERRIERS. Where is your so called empathy for these humans, pets and livestock animals? Hmmmm?
Mary Ann, you as so against Pits, have you ever met one? A lot are used as therapy dogs, because of their calm attitudes. Also their is no total listing of ALL dog attacks, they only track the bully breeds. It is so funny that German Shepard’s are a “bully breed” per all you so called dog haters, but they are not banned, except form insurance companies, but they make good police dogs, sheeze such closed minded people out there.
German Shepherds are NOT a “bully breed” and they aren’t purpose-bred for violence and killing. German Shepherds first dominated the top 10 most popular dog breeds list for decades beginning in the 20s. At no point have they fallen off the list and they currently hold the number 2 position. For decades they were the family dog of choice. You don’t hear of GSD brutally killing and maiming people and pets on a daily basis. There is no comparison between the two breeds. Stunt pits don’t change the facts of what a pit bull is and what they were created and purpose-bred for centuries to do.
Yep, “therapy dogs” that end up killing other dogs on Portland Street cars.
Since you asked, I’ve met one. It wriggled free from its 6″2 220 lb 22 year owner who was walking on it proper leash and attacked my dog. The owner came running over, punched his own dog twice in the head, bodyslammed it and sat on it, then choking it unconscious.
I was one of the very few lucky ones. The owner was trying to be responsible. That dog was more than he could handle. I shudder to think what would have happened if it is been a 55-year-old housewife walking that pitbull instead of a large, capable and strong man.
LOL, therapy dogs? They buy a vest off the internet and make those claims.
Most of the maiming you are talking about is sensationalism by the media and has been proven that it was NOT A PIT BULL!!! The word pit bull is used to blow up stories.
I like how scientific evidence means nothing to these back water hooligans. Of course colleen lynn is happy, people will keep paying her bills. She’d have to get a real job if BSL was completely removed. It’s okay though, BSL is being repealed state by state and this ignorant county law will no longer apply.
The election results in areas that have put it to a vote have been unanimous by a two to one margin. You better hope there is never a national vote regarding pit bulls. Pit owners are a tiny minority, pit bull ownership in the USA being 6% of pet ownership. Instead of complaining about laws put into place to protect humans, pets and livestock animals, maybe you should do something PRODUCTIVE to help the bull and terrier breeds….like encourage all pit bull owners to spay and neuter their dogs so that this ill conceived breed dies out and one million surplus pit bulls do not have to be euthanized each year in the USA at taxpayer expense.
Hunny do you know how to do your own research and actually look at evidence or do you just lack the skill to read. Because you sound like a broken record with zero fact behind your rantings. Which is what the person above you just said but I know, reading is hard…
Pit owners are not the minority, that is why it IS being repealed state by state. Pad your numbers all you like hater. I already do encourage spaying and neutering, of all breeds. The 20+ breeds that fall under the slang term pit bull will never die out because they are the same as every other breed of dog. Every national animal organization agrees they are just dogs. BSL is dying and will eventually be banned in all 50 states.
Heck Yeah, way to go Aurora!!!!!
Why anyone would want to own the worse breed to ever walk this earth I’ll never understand.
Fighting! And… Fighting.
There are over 200 breeds of dog, with a wide range of inherent traits and characteristics, from which one can choose a pet. There is not one single positive trait in a pit bull that can’t be found in DOZENS of other breeds, without the inherent risk to society. What kind of person deliberately chooses a breed created and purpose-bred for violence and killing with all these other choices? What kind of *parent* (using the term loosely) decides that from all these choices, they will choose the one purpose-bred for killing to bring home around their children? Normal people choose normal dogs! They don’t choose a dog to “make a statement” while exposing their loved (?) ones and neighbors to a high risk of a brutal attack. Normal people choose one of the other 200 plus breeds NOT bred specifically for unprovoked and sustained savagery!
Wow. It’s these sorts of generic and logically flawed arguments that have driven racial segregation and genocidal actions throughout history. It’s pretty disappointing how ignorant so many are.
What a stupid argument – dog breeds have zero to do with human race.
Of course it’s a stupid argument when you miss the point completely.
Karen no understand logic.
You failed to make one.
You’ve got to break it down better for this one. Karen – killing thousands of innocent dogs is being compared to racial segregation and genocide because it is done based on preconceived notions of breeding tendencies (genetics) when a tendency for aggression based on breed has been proved false by every animal research group. It is discrimination BY DEFINITION resulting in death, and therefore, animal genocide. You do know what genocide is, right? Do I need to add idiot footnotes here as well? Please do keep up.
Like I said, you failed to make a point.
If you still don’t understand then you are inept at the most basic level and should really just be coloring with crayons somewhere.
Sarah, poor Karen has been dealing with Brain Cell Genocide for many, many years now go easy on her. She has very few left. She has trouble with rational thought. She is like Martini in One Flew Over The Cuckoo Nest. just keeps repeating the same line. Hit Me, Hit Me, Hit Me.
Exactly. When has stereotyping ever been logical? Pretty disappointing is an understatement..
Well said Karen!!
You mean the most abused breed? It is a human issue; not a breed issue. Especially considering that pit bull is a catch all term for the look of a dog when applied for BSL, rather than a specific breed. Are you saying mutts that have a particular look are the worst breed ever? It is sad that all this ignorance causes the issues, as most people with pit bulls that are loving owners have less problems than a loving owner of labs. It was left to vote, because the city council understands the ignorance of average citizens, and nothing could fall on the council. Of course this was going to happen. Just be aware, that all other areas in CO cannot ban breeds, as these bans were old laws grandfathered in. BSL is outlawed in CO.
~Yawn~
What is your reference for BSL being banned in CO because it just happened — thank god.
Your ideology is meaningless after a 50 lb child gets her face ripped off or worse. Bad owners, or bad dogs, the result is the same and we all (including snowbird) know that PITBULLS main and kill more than any other breed by far.
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You’re always blaming the dog. But what about the people who get bit? Do they know proper interaction with dogs? i.e. supposed to let the dog sniff your hand before petting i.e. ask the owner if their dog is friendly before they pet them
My guess is no.
First off, we’re not talking about getting bit. We’re talking about PITBULLs killing people. Secondly, PITBULL owners have had their chance to control their dogs and failed.
What makes you think the Labrador Retriever who attacked me wouldn’t have killed me? It took three grown men to get the dog off me. The last kid in Colorado who was mauled by a pit, ran up to try and pet it. The dog was chained outside a store waiting for it’s owner. Obviously this situation could have been AVOIDED and BOTH parties are to blame.
Aurora city officials recently stated that the ban reduced the killing of pit bulls in the shelter by 93%. This information was no secret and in fact, was widely reported.
Clearly, the people who voted “yes” to removing the ban have no problem with an exponential increase in the number of dead pit bulls. How can they rightly be called champions and defenders of pit bulls?
The people voting to remove the ban are not animal advocates nor are they friends of pit bulls. They were voting in favor of making money with pit bulls, intimidating other people with pit bulls, or having a convenient prop for their persecution complex, but make no mistake, a “yes” vote wasn’t about protecting pit bulls from harm. When these self-styled “pit bull advocates” voted against a law credited with a dramatic reduction in deaths of pit bulls, they chose property rights over saving animal lives. Thank goodness they lost.
Making money? Really? My money goes out to feed and take care of my dogs, but I have yet to see any money comeback to me for doing it. As far as your shelter killing all of the it bulls there, you must call yourselves PETA then , right?
Surely you are aware that nearly one million pit bulls are being euthanized each year in the USA? Whose fault is THAT? I’ll answer that. It is the fault of pit bull so called lovers who refuse to spay and neuter their dogs, and, in fact, many of them deliberately “breed” their dogs for $$$$$$$$$$$. If you are going to finger point, point your finger at yourself and all the pit owners who are breeding more pit bulls than there are adopters for them….WAY more. One million pit bulls each year in the USA because YOU CANNOT ADOPT YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS NUMBER OF PITS. Not your fault. YOUR (pit owners) fault.
Hahaha, this has to be one of the stupidest arguments I’ve ever read. So many logical fallacies I don’t even know where to begin.
She’s not really bright as you can see, so makes no difference what she thinks.
If pit nutters really cared about the breed, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion because you would have banded together and cleaned up your mess and policed yourselves before it got out of hand. But you don’t and you didn’t so now government has to do it for you. You had a few decades to get it under control but you failed. So quit whining.
Not everyone makes money with pit bulls, but if you voted to remove the ban, even though it reduced pit bull euthanasia by 93 percent (as well as reducing the number of people and animals harmed by dogs), you voiced a preference for property rights over animal lives. It’s just as simple as that.
Pit bulls have been killed in animal shelters at an unstoppable rate since “pit bull advocacy” took off. Pit bull advocates quietly admit that these dogs are “typically” aggressive to other animals, and it’s no secret that they’re also implicated in the vast majority of severe and deadly attacks on people.
Um dunno exactly what you’re smoking but you DID read the part about the thousands of innocent dogs that have been euthanized BECAUSE of the ban right? Your point is a little contradicting…or a lot really..
what is so funny is we want to ban pit bulls but people don’t realize that there are other breeds that are also banned. The focus is solely on Pit bulls . I “HAD” an American bull dog which is also banned . I did everything the city required me to do to avoid the city to take my dog . My American Bulldog was again not a pitbull but was apart of list of dogs that was banned . I did everything that was required by the city . I had to pay a $200 registration fee , had to have my dog evaluated to make sure he wasn’t a vicious dog , had to place a sign in my window that the city gave me stating I had a dangerous dog and also had to either have a good secure fence or an approved kennel to secure my dog in . I had to work a second job to purchase the secure dog kennel for my yard . The very last thing was to get my dog neutered and chipped . He wasnt a puppy but he was an older dog . I Scheduled the appointment to have the surgery done . 2 hours later after the surgery my American bulldog passed away because of the anesthesia .And what did the city tell me , it’s wasn’t there fault that my dog died . It was mine either . This ban killed my dog!!!! If this ban was never put in place I would still have my dog . again he was a American bulldog . It’s about the owners not the breed .
So this ban jus wasn’t about pit bulls it was about all the other dogs that was also banned in Aurora !!!!
Your pit was OLD and you had not bothered to NEUTER it? Why not? Your waiting to neuter your dog till you HAD to speaks volumes about you and none of it good.
Mary Ann, Good dogs owners keep their dogs form reproducing with or without spay’s or neuter’s. Bet his dog never was a dad!! Again I use the term RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERS!!
Not true, good responsible owners get their pets altered immediately. The only reason to keep them intact is for breeding.
“pit bull” is short-hand for the group of fighting dogs that are bred from bulldogs and terriers. Your American Bulldog fell into that category. Sorry you waitedso ong to have him neutered;.
American Bulldog? Iceberg/Rosenberg! It wasn’t the city’s fault your dog died. Next time, get a normal breed.
The American bulldog was formerly known as the American PIT BULLdog.
Good for Aurorans. Voting for the RIGHT OF HUMANS to live peacefully in their communities. You can walk down your streets without being mauled by pit bulls.
And this from a person with as the same name as POT???? My Pi would lick you, now my black lab would bite you.
Do you not have thugs and thieves in your community. Geez I didn’t know PIT BULLS were running around communities and ruining people’s lives. IGNORANT!!
Well then, you haven’t been keeping up!
Pit bull apologists take heed: Aurora is but a microcosm of this country. While you may be loud, obnoxious and obsessed, there are many communities all over this country like Aurora, who refuse to have their safety and welfare jeopardized because of you obsession with a dog breed type.
Quit trying to push pit bulls onto communities and start advocating better for your breed. Push spay and neutering programs, stop trying to save vicious dogs that have attacked and mauled people, work to end back yard breeding, and start admitting that pit bulls can be dangerous. Advocate for less ownership, not more. Until you do this, communities like Aurora have no other option than to ban the breed entirely.
Tell me, HOW does banning so called pit bulls save the lives of the thousands of others killed or maimed by other breeds????????
FACT: This is an irresponsible HUMAN problem, NOT a dog problem.
It’s irrelevant – other breeds aren’t killed and maimed by other breeds. FACT: This is a pit bull problem that needs a pit bull solution. Aurora has one!
I was but and hospitalized by a lab. Just sayin.
Bit*
OUTLAW THEM!! BETTER YET, BURN ALL OF THEM, SAVE OUR COMMUNITIES!!!!!
FACT:
Better yet, lets ban dachshunds since they’re been studied and classified as the most aggressive breed. And chihuahuas or jack Russells who come in second and third. (Check your facts buddy…) oh wait, they don’t like facts in your realm, do they? Well just in case that isn’t enough for you, lets look at bite statistics in aurora for the past ten years:
Year — Total Bites / Bites by targeted breeds / Bites by other breeds
2003 — 213 / 28 / 185
2004 — 211 / 33 / 178
2005 — 137 / 27 / 110
Ordinance Passed October 24, 2005
2006 — 137 / 8 / 129
2007 — 172 / 15 / 157
2008 — 224 / 8 / 216
2009 — 229 / 9 / 220
2010 — 194 / 6 / 188
2011 — 252 / 9 / 243
2012 — 241 / 6 / 235
2013 — 243 / 10 / 233
Hm, thats weird, looks like since this legislation bites have actually drastically increased. Interesting. By the way, that total bite data is public information available to anybody that cares to, I dunno, LEARN about what they’re talking about? I know, crazy concept. But you probably didn’t know because none of the media outlets decided to cover it in your area. Couldn’t be because they’re a profiting sensationalizing nonacademic source, could it? But lets listen to them alone anyways despite every academic expert organization on animal behavior agreeing that bls is ineffective and not legitimate.
Hunny, if you’re gonna used purely anecdotal “evidence” of your opinion and ignore the actual data (refer to above).. you don’t deserve to even use the word “FACT”. Not sure if you’re unaware of it’s definition but you’re actually using it incorrectly based on the overwhelming FACTS available researched every day by expert animal behaviorists. Let’s not pretend that a dum-dum like you who sits in front of her TV for “facts” has even a fraction of credibility compared to those who STUDY THIS FOR A LIVING.
But by all means, keep drumming on with your tired ignorant views, its actually pretty counter-productive to your skewed purpose though. Just a bit of advice.
The most aggressive breed, and yet…
Still can’t finish a valid argument? I’m disappointed Karen. And still waiting.
First, we aren’t discussing “bites” when we are speaking of pit bulls. Yes, all dogs bite, can bite, are capable of biting, do bite, might bite, and even bite more than pit bulls. Many people have had a dog “bite”. With pit bulls, we are talking about faces being torn off, scalpings, crushed skulls, broken bones, torn severed limbs, torn off body parts, torn off mandible and tongues, exposed trachea, broken spines, eviscerations, and decapitations. Those are to bites what an IED is to a BB gun.
You want facts from those who study these things for a living? Fine.
https://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2012/10/no-one-can-be-great-thinker-who-does.html Clicking on the entry will link to the original off-site source article. You will note these are animal experts and behaviorists from our country’s leading vet schools including Tufts, Cornell, U.C. Davis, and Texas A&M.
https://www.animals24-7.org/2013/07/11/the-science-of-how-behavior-is-inherited-in-aggressive-dogs/ An internationally known and respected animal behaviorists and published author.
https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/pit-bulls-gary-wilkes-spring-2010-off-lead.pdf And internationally known and respected dog trainer and canine behaviorist.
https://www.tarynblyth.co.za/articles/pit-bulls-just-like-any-other-dog/
https://terriermandotcom.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/the-denial-and-broken-excuses-of-pit.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FlSKHa+%28Terrierman%27s+Daily+Dose%29&m=1
https://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2010/08/there-are-three-kinds-of-lies-lies.html
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-ELQRmW7uo0WUhnLURZaVRCSzlNVDFTZ25WcWdNOXl2akgw/view?pli=1
Your an idiot small breeds don’t send people to the icu or cemetery only shitbulls do
And larger breeds don’t inherently have the aggressive instinct to INITIATE that contact, per the facts above. Forgot that I need to add idiot-proof footnotes to otherwise self-explanatory information.
You are really THAT ignorant Karen? Wow, just wow. You must ONLY read “pit bull pisses in wrong direction” headlines. You must be part of the reason there are warning labels on everything…..
your blatant ignorance is truly astounding.
https://www.fatalpitbullattacks.com
Shut up fool. Check dog bite statistics. Maybe your pathetic shithole should start prosecuting the dumb crack headed gangsters who are irresponsible and fighting and torturing the animals.
Truth hurts Danny. Pit bulls are pit bull apologists own worst enemy. They aren’t going to stop mauling and killing people. And the more they maul and kill, the more average citizens will push back and do something to make them stop mauling and killing That means bans, bans and more bans
The ignorance is strong with this one.
Now that is not a very civil reply or remark. Be careful of future remarks, with the change in direction in country you may be banned in future. You certainly would not use those words directly to someone in conversation, would you?
I mean, despite the language, he’s right.
No matter how right he might be in any conversation (which these are supposed to be) he loses all validity by choice of such words. As a father, grandfather, and a senior citizen I take exception to that kind of language. I served 26 years in military, and supervised many complex, expensive, and new projects, and did not allow that kind of language in my work areas, classrooms, or shops. And in my civilian life before 1950, and after 1976 (retired from military) I did not associate with those who spoke so. That language destroyed the CD radio system, and can do same to internet. I am not being sanctimonious about this. Anyone can tell someone off, but do it politely. Recipient may rethink their position, but such words are “fighting words” in any such use. Rappers, and gutter talk has never convinced me of rightness of any subject.
That’s fine, and I tend to agree, but I don’t think the very crucial point he is making is diminished, nor it should be, by a slang word. It’s 2014, and right now we’re killing thousands of innocent dogs simply because of what they look like. Let’s keep perspective here.
Amen!
Wow, so ignorant! Science! Try it out, sometime!
https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/blog/potentially-preventable-husbandry-factors-co-occur-in-most-dog-bite-related-fatalities/
Wow, you cite the NCRC, a think tank funded by the pit bull lobby that is completely devoid of scientist but instead has an action fund that gives money to anti-BSL groups. Very unbiased source! NOT.
Guess what’s not devoid of scientists? The NCRC!
The Heartland Institute has a whole bunch of “scientists.” So does big tobacco. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking#Industry-funded_studies_and_critiques
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/2014/09/the-pit-bull-lobby/
In Aurora:
Year — Total Bites / Bites by targeted breeds / Bites by other breeds
2003 — 213 / 28 / 185
2004 — 211 / 33 / 178
2005 — 137 / 27 / 110
Ordinance Passed October 24, 2005
2006 — 137 / 8 / 129
2007 — 172 / 15 / 157
2008 — 224 / 8 / 216
2009 — 229 / 9 / 220
2010 — 194 / 6 / 188
2011 — 252 / 9 / 243
2012 — 241 / 6 / 235
2013 — 243 / 10 / 233
Hm, thats weird, looks like since this legislation bites have actually drastically increased. Interesting. By the way, that total bite data is public information available to anybody that cares to, I dunno, LEARN about what they’re talking about? I know, crazy concept. But you probably didn’t know because none of the media outlets decided to cover it in your area. Couldn’t be because they’re a profiting sensationalizing nonacademic source, could it? But lets listen to them alone anyways despite every academic expert organization on animal behavior agreeing that bls is ineffective and not legitimate.
The ignorance on this page is glaringly obvious based on fact alone, but thanks at least for giving me something productive to do for ten minutes. If you still don’t understand, I do know of a language your kind find very familiar…
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Maybe instead of following or listening to someone that runs their own page and pays google for ad, and yes check it out it comes up as an ad you should check out hard credible sources.
How about googling while your at it pits and other bully breed (mind you not all bully breeds are pits and get mistaken all the time and.put down)
That are service dogs from children with autism and others like me that have ptsd.
Lets check sources of information
This woman Colleen has a page/group that she runs, which is also a revenue ad page just as it comes up on.Google
Check it out, then look at credible sites that give statistics. Look up how many dogs are umbrella’d under one specific breed and get put down, no ACC will DNA test all the dogs that come in. Look up service and therapy pitbulls that aid humans from autistic children to those with PTSD, as he is my therapy dog and thanks to him a lot of the.trauma ive endured has been alleviated
It appears that everyone is smoking lots of legal weed. Study after study demonstrate that these dogs are not more aggressive than any other breed and they beat goldens in tolerance testing. Studies also show that breed bans are a huge waste of money not to mention the death of many good dogs. But people advocating for breed bans don’t like to deal with facts. It’s all media and emotion driven.
You need to do some research, nothing that you say is truthful. If you speak of the ATTS, you have no idea what the ATTS tests, do you? The ATTS does not compare breed against other breeds. https://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2010/08/there-are-three-kinds-of-lies-lies.html
So tell us Einstein, if “study after study demonstrate” that pit bulls are not more aggressive than other breeds, why are they solely responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatal and disabling attacks on not only human, but pets and livestock? For many people, common sense alone would dictate that a dog purpose-bred for unprovoked and sustained violence would indeed be “more aggressive” than breeds created say, to jump in frigid water and bring back a duck, or maybe scan the horizon, sniff the air, and then suddenly freeze and lift a knee. But alas, common sense is not so “common”. Since pit bulls beat Goldens (one of the most popular breeds and the “go to” first and family dog) in tolerance testing, why aren’t we seeing Goldens killing someone every 14 days? Why isn’t someone losing a body part every 5.4 days to a Golden Retriever? Why aren’t two people being severely injured by Goldens each day? Why isn’t you don’t run into people all the time with a “Golden story”? Please, enlighten us!
Karen just called someone “Einstein” ironically which is ironic in itself considering she has more fingers on her hand than brain cells.
I mean why bother with silly things like fact right? Do not understand why people just flock in one direction without questioning anything…its sad
https://www.fatalpitbullattacks.com – *that* is sad.
Love it. Smart people! !
This is sad to hear, that peoples ignorance won. People need to stop listening to the media and educate themselves. We blame the dogs instead of going out dog fighters and irresponsible owners. BSL is a slippery slope, what breed is next. And you still didnt addresz the issues..bad owners. Reality is that humans have killed, abused, and tortured more pit bills then pit bulls have hurt people. But we don’t address that. And for all the ignorant people that says they should be banned all together. That just shows your ignorance and cowardly attitude. And unfortunately there is no cure for ignorant people.
What breed is next? The one that starts killing a human every 14 days on average. The breed that kills 15+ kids a year. The breed that kills approximately 45,000 animals a year. A breed that becomes known for their sudden, unprovoked, and extremely violent attacks on their own family members. Until that happens, the other breeds are safe. The difference is, other breeds have responsible owners that police themselves and their breed and don’t lie and deny their traits. Now don’t be a sore loser – the reality is, nobody wants these ghetto hounds in their backyards and neighborhoods.
45k animals a year is sourced by Merrit Clifton based on extrapolation from what, a few hundred newspaper clippings? He refuses to release his numbers or his methods so who knows? 45k animals is a completely made up number.
So disappointed in Aurora and the many closed-minded, ignorant citizens that live there.
The ignorant ones in Aurora were the 21,000 who voted to repeal the ban.
WTG Aurora! You not only spoke for your own town, but you spoke for the majority in towns across the nation! How wonderful that your leaders let you decide for yourselves if you want these mutants in your town or not. If every town across the nation did this, instead of leaving it to the spineless politicians who are either paid off or kowtowed by the pit bull lobby, we could finally put an end to this pit bull infestation in our country. But you got lucky and your voices were heard and you can still walk your dogs and children safely down the sidewalk, grandma and grandpa can still safely sit or work in their yard, and your kids and pets can play safely not only in their own yards on your private property, but parks, hiking trails, etc. Now let’s hope you have set a precedent that will spread to countless other towns!
Baloney… more and more states are prohibiting BSL… and I live in one.
*Voters* were not allowed to vote on the issue. It is being decided by politicians, NOT the citizens. Politician votes (and a variety of important issues) are bought and paid for by well-funded lobbyist. The pit bull lobbyist are also known to be quite effective bullies! Give the citizens the vote and the outcome is different. I live in one of those states too and it’s an overwhelming consensus that the politicians did NOT represent the citizens on this issue.
That will change. The votes in Miami and Aurora will go a long way to make changes.
Be interesting if the question were Are you in favor of keeping the ban.. Instead of are you in favor of over turning the ban… I think most voters will always vote NO, unless they are invovled with the issue.
Regardless be glad we live in the US where at least we have a choice..
Yeah – try and confuse people to them to vote your way! Why is that not surprising. Face it, however you want to phrase it, citizens are happy not having their children and pets mauled to death on a regular basis by purpose-bred fighting dogs, a breed whose sole purpose is a criminal activity.
Not all pit bulls were breed to fight Karen. My dogs are adopted so I am not sure what the breeder had in mind but they live together with no problem other than the occasional marking..
They are all bred to fight by the very nature of their breed.
what Karen doesn’t get…we don’t have to try and confuse people, people like Karen and her *ban buddies* have done a wonderful job of spreading *confusion* among all. Nothing better to get confusion going is *tragedy* and that is why they go to every horror story out there to spread their lies and hate.
My pit bull is a loving dog….was she breed that way ????? I don’t know….how do you *breed* a bad dog, how do you breed a good dog….I’m trying to use my common sense on that fight all the time, there’s NO common sense explanation….besides, it is how they are raised, loved.
as for Aurora…I guess that will be a place that is *banned* by me
This is heartbreaking and very disappointing. I’ve met countless pit bulls throughout my time volunteering and studying to become a trainer and veterinary technician and not one of them showed any aggression towards people. My rescue pit bull is currently snoring on my bed next to his little fur-brother. He has never shown any hint of wanting to cause harm or inflict pain to ANYONE. I have never been bit or been put in an uncomfortable position by a large dog (pit bulls included) but I have received several unprovoked bites by yorkies and miniature poodles (once when I was getting my mail in my apartment and a mini poodle ran out of the elevator and bit my leg while I was standing still and facing the other way). So you tell me who should really be banned- the dog or the people who raise the dogs to be a certain way. My vote goes toward banning the fools who choose to train and raise a dog to have aggressive tendencies.
The dogs. Most pits that attacked never showed any “hint” of wanting to cause harm. That’s why the owners always express such shock. If they were like *normal* dog breeds and did give those “hints”, we wouldn’t be seeing the carnage we see from pit bulls.
https://17barks.blogspot.com/2013/08/what-happened-to-gavin.html
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.173059916187205.1073741830.172467419579788&type=1
https://www.babybeaufoundation.org/my-story/
https://www.babybeaufoundation.org/rep-waites-and-mrs-rutledge-discuss-bully-breed-legislation/
https://www.capitalbay.com/uk/297683-milly-anne.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027286/Darla-Napora-Pregnant-woman-dies-mauled-pet-dog-living-room.html “mauled to death by one of her pet pit bull terriers belonged to group campaigning to convince people that the animals aren’t dangerous,” – Just like you! Ironic, no?
https://www.azfamily.com/news/Mom-severely-injured-while-saving-toddler-from-dog-attack-226409391.html
https://17barks.blogspot.com/2014/03/my-red-nose-pit-bull.html
https://blog.dogsbite.org/2013/07/beyond-the-interview-essay-of-a-fatal-pit-bull-mauling.html
https://17barks.blogspot.com/2014/01/getting-to-know-pit-bulls-continued.html
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/betty-anne-chapman-todd-victims-stories/
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/konen-dean-asa-dagley-daxtons-friends-victims-stories/
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/zachary-wright-victims-stories/
Is BSL Effective?
Extensive studies of the effectiveness of BSL in reducing the number
of persons harmed by dog attacks were done in Spain and Great Britain. Both
studies concluded that their “dangerous animals acts,” which included pit bull
bans, had no effect at all on stopping dog attacks. The Spanish study further
found that the breeds most responsible for bites—both before and after the breed
bans—were those breeds not covered by it, primarily German Shepherds and mixed
breeds.
https://www.americanbar.org/newsletter/publications/gp_solo_magazine_home/gp_solo_magazine_index/pitbull.html
Pit bull bans work!
https://www.wausaudailyherald.com/story/news/local/2014/07/20/pit-bull-bans-controversial-work/12892813/
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/10/03/pit_bulls_were_torontos_biggest_biters_before_the_ban.html
https://siouxcityjournal.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/years-later-impact-of-sioux-city-pit-bull-ban-unclear/article_85834f40-a0d3-55c6-b5cc-7b2f4be56e65.html?comment_form=true
https://www.news-leader.com/story/opinion/readers/2014/03/25/sb-pull-pit-bull-protection-bill/6887605/ –
“According to statistics taken from the Springfield-Greene County Health Department, as reported in the News-Leader March 12, for the three-year period beginning in 2004, there were 42 “vicious” animal attacks recorded in the jurisdiction covered. After passing the local ordinance banning or strictly controlling the ownership of pit bull or pit bull types, the number of attacks has dropped dramatically. For the five-year period from 2007-2011, there was a total of 14.”
https://blog.dogsbite.org/2010/03/indy-radio-talk-show-interviews.html
You lost, Bully Bob, give it up, the people have spoken.
In Aurora yes.. but the whole state of North Dakota now has no BSL allowed. Be glad we live where there is a chance to vote.
Don’t bet on it. CA is an anti-BSL state and is number one in deaths by pit bulls. TX is an anti-BSL state and is #2. Nope, the days of states being anti-BSL are finished with this vote.
Eventually the citizens will get fed up and demand an in to anti-BSL laws that cover the state.
Interesting I live in NJ which is an anti-bsl state. Very few maulings that I have read about. I will say this though about animal control in my area, you better not have a loose dog. Also licensing of any dog in the state is expensive (17 per dog if your dog is “fixed”) which gives the local governments enough money to hire professional ACO’s. I know a number of places where animal control is a joke especially in my home state. Last time I visited there were packs of roaming dogs..hard to beleive after living in NJ.
See, you don’t even know about the maulings and deaths in your own state. Here are the search results for those maulings and deaths in NJ. https://www.dogsbite.org/dogsbite-search-results.php?cx=003395341087663039786%3Aze_5rreyew4&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&q=new+jersey&sa.x=0&sa.y=0
There haven’t been “extensive studies” on BSL. There have been a grand total of TWO long-term studies, both of which supported BSL. Rarely do I see a flat-out lie make it into a respected organization’s policy statement, but this is truly such a case.
This is Spanish study you’re referring to. The study found a SIGNIFICANT DECLINE in dog bite injury hospitalizations.
“OBJECTIVE: To analyse population-based data on hospitalisation caused by dog bite injuries after changes in legal regulations on dog ownership, including
breed-specific regulations…RESULTS: There has been a significant decline in hospitalisation caused by injuries from dog bites.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20805621/?i=3
LOL, a bunch of attorneys who see all that money to be made from pit bull attacks, you have got to be joking us !!!
You’re all ignorant. BSL doesn’t work. Check places like Italy who had it and after adding pages and pages of different breeds they got rid of BSL. People like you are the problem. Closed minded uneducated people who will never have my respect.
Don’t worry, you don’t deserve respect anyway. BSL most certainly works, check on DBO, they have all the successes listed there.
I think the issue comes down to this:
Pit bulls are smart and loyal, and if trained and handled properly, they can make superior pets. Owners love them for this.
However, like many breeds of dog, they can be trained to be aggressive; in fact, they are naturally receptive to this.
They are also often deadly when they attack. Chihuahua’s can be aggressive also, but they don’t have the deadly power of a pit bull.
All dogs, even they best trained, have their own mind and can do unpredictable things. Good training combined with good handling can virtually eliminate risk. Some breeds are less unpredictable than others. I have to think that if pit bulls were reliably predictable, they would be used by police, military, etc.; but they are not.
There are, and always will be, certain people who own pets irresponsibly, and others who want an aggressive, powerful guard dog (perhaps to guard some criminal enterprise). Such people seek out pit bulls, and their dogs become a menace to their community. Especially dangerous are irresponsible owners who think their pit bull wouldn’t hurt a flea.
A ban contributes to public safety by getting rid of these dogs. A possible compromise would be an aggressive dog license (which might also cover other aggressive/powerful breeds also) with training and insurance requirements and annual behavior certifications. This might cost hundreds of dollars per year, but it would provide a way for people who love the breed to own them while eliminating excessive risk to the community.
Dozens of breeds are smart, loyal, even when NOT trained and handled properly. Pit bulls don’t need to be “trained” to be aggressive. There simply is no legitimate reason to have one, unless you are a dog fighter.
Fine adopt a power breed dog and dont train it or have any experience with a powerful dog and I guarantee you are going to have a problem..
And yet, we aren’t seeing this problem. Strange.
With any power breed dogs training is important and so is experience.
Right. That’s why I think licensing and annual certification could be a solution — you have to prove that you have trained the dog properly and have the experience and skill to handle it.
In any case, I agree with the voters of Aurora that pit bulls (and I would extend that to all “power breed” dogs) should be regulated.
Just getting people to license their dogs is a big step..
Thanks for protecting beloved pets in the community from pit-bull type dogs. Pit-bull Rescue Central, the leading authority of pit bull types admits MOST pit-bull types are not safe around other dogs. For that reason alone is why I do not consider them safe family pets for our neighborhoods. These are powerful animals that break away from their guardians all the time and maul & kill another beloved pet or person in front of a child or person. This is a typical pit attack on another beloved pet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZTiGWgQubA Too many children & adults have watched their beloved pets be mauled to death by pit bulls. Many develop Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder after watching a horrific pit attack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBFb-hGWZqg Breaking-up pit attacks is dangerous 1/3 end up attacking the person that’s breaking up the fight.https://dogbitelaw.com/dangerous-vicious-dogs/a-propensity-to-attack-other-dogs-means-a-dog-is-dangerous-to-people.html
According to Pit Bull Rescue Central, “It is a FACT that our pit bulls, AmStaffs and pit mixes come with a built-in fighting heritage.It doesn’t matter where we get them from, whether it be the pound, a stray we pick up, or a puppy we buy from a breeder. The majority of pit bulls will, at some point in their lives, exhibit some degree of dog-on-dog aggression. This type of animal aggression is completely separate from human-aggression; a well-socialized pit bull is very good-natured with people.Yet, chances are that a “normal” pit bull will not share his affection with other animals.We cannot predict when or where it will happen and we can’t love, train or socialize it out ofthe dog. Pit bulls may not start fights, but they will finish them.” https://www.pbrc.net/misc/PBRC_dogpark.pdf”
The Pit Bull Rescue Central recommends ALL pit guardians to have a break stick. FOR ME THIS IS ANOTHER RED FLAG! Does not sound like a safe family pet if you need a breakstick on hand. “Since pit bulls have a strong fighting background, we recommend that pet owners also have a breaking stick as a precaution, even if they don’t plan to use it in an illegal context. However, please be discreet. Breaking sticks are not something to brag about and the general pubic might have the wrong impression if you walk around with a stick in your hand. Breaking sticks are not illegal, but they are considered dog fighting paraphernalia in certain states and/or with certain law enforcement agents.” https://www.pbrc.net/breaksticks.html This person demonstrates how to use a break stick on a pit-bulls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfMVH4wY5Pg
I appreciate that Pit bull Rescue Central, is telling pit-bull guardians not to take their dog to off-leash parks but many pit guardians are still very ignorant to this recommendation. What is bewildering to me is that Pit Bull Rescue Central admits that other beloved dogs in the community are not safe around pit-bulls because of their genetic makeup but promotes them as a great family pet. For me this is a red flag that you are compromising public safety and the safety of our beloved pets in our communities. Of all the dog breeds, they are the all time number one killer of humans and other people’s beloved pets. If all these guardians would have picked a safer pet like a beagle instead of a pit, we would not even be having this conversation. What other type of dog has the ability to kill humans that would be mistaken for a pit bull type? These families know exactly what breed killed their loved one: https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2014.php Then these pit-bull advocates are oblivious and offended why people do not want these dogs in the neighborhood. REALLY? Are you really that blind? Do I really have to spell it out for you? Many people in the neighborhood have beloved pets that they consider family members. They are concerned for their pet’s safety and they do not want their dog to get mauled to death. Now people in the neighborhood who have pets have to live in fear if this powerful pitbull will get away from the guardian and hurt or kill their beloved pet. Almost all dog guardians have experienced a mishap where their dog gets away from them by mistake.
Many pit-bull breeders who are breeding for human aggression to create guard dogs. Most pit-bulls types come primarily from unethical backyard breeders who are trying to breed aggression, not good temperaments. Often, their dogs are the product of reject pits purchased from dog fighters as cheap stock. So with the pool of pit bulls we have, you cannot tell the difference between a cold one and one that might snap. (unprovoked aggression). So basically people who have pits are playing Russian Roulette against our communities. Here is a clip of unethical pit-bull breeders. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiZOj9o6jpE
Not all cigarettes killed people, but they’re ban in almost all public places now. Not all sliding railing baby cribs killed babies, govt ban them anyway. Not all ford pintos exploded, govt ban them. Not all lawn darts hit people in the head but govt ban them. Just because not every pit bull kills someone does not mean pit bulls are safe. Dozens of people have been killed by pit bulls in the US already in 2014. I know many people love pit bulls, but that’s too many deaths, and sometimes bans save us from ourselves. But don’t worry, there are hundreds of other dog breeds to chose from that do not kill dozens of people a year, so everyone will still be able to have a dog to love.
The horrific damage that pit bulls have done to so many people should be enough to convince anyone with a modicum of responsibility that these dogs should not exist anywhere. An old man should be able to take a walk in his neighborhood without having to carry a gun. A child should be able to play outside in his yard without facing a risk of disfigurement or death from one of these monsters.
Proponents say that these dogs aren’t a danger, their owners are to blame. Accepting that argument just for the sake of discussion, if Aurora did allow pit bulls, it would follow that going forward we could expect some level of mayhem and violence from these ‘poor-owner’ dogs. Perhaps even some lethal violence, either to other animals or people. But with a ban in place, there will be no mayhem or violence from this breed (except, perhaps, for people violating the ban). Works for me.
Shoot…I wonder if they’ll just get different breeds? I wonder if that’s why Aurora has more dog bites now than when they started the ban…
This vote has far reaching implications. This vote meant that all the money from Best Fiends, the HSUS, couldn’t buy the vote. People voted despite all the money that was thrown around. Miami rejected all that money too. This is a message that is loud and clear. HSUS and Best Fiends need to listen to what the people are saying. They are losing donations because of their stance. They will see this in these votes, if they don’t change, then it’s their funeral.
The ignorance of some people is disgusting. How thick can you be? Every dog has the potential to be dangerous, stop discriminating. If you can’t control your dog and train them properly don’t own one.
I would just like to take a moment to thank all you ignorant morons….. Thank You for your ignorance for makes it very hard for me to find a place to live.. for me and my Pitty .. my pitty that love to snuggle all the little kittens that I foster, my pitty that loves not only children but other dogs as well. I loathe you people…. because of your ignorance I spend an extra 1500 a month just so I have a place for my dog.. While we have children starving in other countries we have you morons focusing all your anger and attention on banning a “breed” that is not even a breed but a mixture of dogs.. Every night when my Louie snuggles into to bed with me I thank god that I got him.. that I am willing to do whatever it takes to keep him safe no matter how much money I need to spend. I feel so horrible for when gets so excited to see people and they get scared or nervous just because of the way he looks….. Louie did nothing wrong but come into this world having characteristics that label him as a man eating dog…. Its funny how people can ban a breed that’s not even a true breed.. its comical actually in this day an age hoe ignorant people are.. lets not forget people the pitbull is the AMERICAN MADE DOG a dog that was once used to boost pro-war a dog that was used to guard children and a dog that is now public enemy number 1 for what other reason then ignorance… Its sad I feel so bad for all you people that will never know the love a Pit Bull can give one the joy of having one of these beautiful and strong dogs. I think the saddest part is GANGs are to blame and owners that don’t know how to properly handle these dogs.. But lets keep blaming the “breed” lets keep trying to exterminate them because I got news for you people WE WILL NEVER STOP DEFENDING THESE DOGS it will never end WE will rise up and conquer the IGNORANCE YOU PEOPLE love soo much to give off. One day we wont have to fight for this breed and I cant wait until that day because it will be in my lifetime =) I would love for just one of you to walk into a shelter and look into the eyes of a scared beaten down pitbull that is hours away from death only because of what he/she resembles and then say you still support the banning of these dogs.. and if you still feel that way well your just a heartless individual
~sniff sniff~ Too f-ing bad! Next time get a normal dog breed instead of a dog to “make a statement”. You wanted to make a statement and you’re making one so stop whining. I hope we see the day when you can’t find *anywhere* to live with a pit bull, no matter how much extra you pay.
You my friend are a very sad individual
Actually it sounds like you’re the one who is sad. I have a normal dog and I have no trouble finding a place to live and I don’t have to pay extra. And my insurance is not one bit concerned about my dog. My neighbors aren’t worried about my dog, even when he’s off-leash. No one pulls their kids closer or picks up their dogs or turns on heel when I’m approaching. Plus I can fly with my dog on any major airline and he’s been in 6 different countries, at least a couple that your dog would not be allowed in. I am of course very sad for the hundreds of people that have been killed by ghetto hounds and thousands more maimed and I’m sad for all the poor animals killed by these mutants each year.
Thousand ?? hundreds?? want to make up some more numbers you bafoon!!! =D
Both numbers are accurate. Maybe it’s time to pull your head out of your pit bull’s a–!
Your obviously and idiot
Your [sic] obviously in need of a dictionary.
All I know is this I grew up working with all breeds of dogs ever since I was a little girl. I believe it is the owners responsibility to know your dog in and out and if that said dog does have behavioral issues you must make sure you take every precaution to make sure no accidents happen. I raised my pitbulll right with high socialization and love he is the most amazing dog I have ever owned and it is wrong for you to wish bad on me just because of the dog I own(referring to :I hope you one day never find a place that allows your dog comment)… that right there is very wrong… If all the efforts put into banning this breed was instead positive reinforcement on cracking down on gangs and dog fighting and working with people that own pit bulls and insurance companies at least giving people the opportunity to own these dogs we would have a much happier positive outcome. But right now your either for the breed or want to exterminate there needs to be a happy medium.
“All I know is this…” Exactly! That’s the problem.
You know nothing Karen you just hate pitbulls in general that is very clear to see… and what I know is based on a life time of working with dogs and some of the best trainer’s on Long Island
I doubt any of them are better than this guy –
https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/pit-bulls-gary-wilkes-spring-2010-off-lead.pdf
And yes, I hate pit bulls – they are a worthless breed (unless you’re a dog fighter)
https://www.fatalpitbullattacks.com
Karen you seem like a very angry individual.. I feel very sorry for you it must be hard to deal with all that anger.. you should maybe talk to someone.. it isn’t normal for someone to want to exterminate a breed.. its barbaric and disgusting.. do humanity a favor and get yourself some help =)
It isn’t normal for someone to choose a dog created and purpose-bred for centuries for violence and killing when their are over 200 other breeds to choose from. It isn’t normal to choose a breed responsible for more disabling and fatal attacks than all other breeds combined. It isn’t normal to choose the dog breed rated number 1 as the breed most likely to turn on its owner. It isn’t normal to choose the dog breed rated “most dangerous”. It isn’t normal to choose the breed of dog that kills a human on average of every 14 days and rips off a body part of someone every 5.4 days. It isn’t normal to choose a breed of dog that kills around 45,000 animals each year. It isn’t normal to choose a dog breed known primarily for it’s unprovoked, sustained, and brutal violence. Normal people choose normal dogs. Maybe you should get yourself some help and find out what subconscious demons compel you to choose this breed of dog from the over 200 choices of normal breeds.
A pittbull is a combination a multiple dogs including the other breeds you want everyone else to own so badly.. your a disgusting human being that needs a life and some help I don’t even need to read your babbling we cant base statistics on a breed that is not a breed but a combination of various breeds no two pittbulls are the same… its not logical to label these dogs because they are not a true breed so do your self a favor and STFU we are tired of your babbling! 😉
What is disgusting is all those mothers sitting beside a closed casket and another mother saying tough s**t, we love our pitties.
Accidents do happen and it’s very sad however you can not exterminate an entire “breed” based on the actions of a few individuals. These dogs are powerful and very easy to obtain not to mention Gangs have adopted this breed we need to get thougheron the laws of dog fighting not exile a breed… If it were the Akita that gangs adopted we would been having the same conversation…. We have children all over the world dying of hunger and yet here in America we focus our attention a few ” pit-bull” attacks and then want to exterminate a breed…. Once again your attention needs to be focused where there are real problems it very easy for people to gang up on this “breed” and be so quick to judge them mean while we have kids dying from starvation in this day an age but let’s focus on a “breed”
Of dog that we created. Priorities are all in the wrong places
How dare you call a child ripped to shreds by a canine specifically designed to kill, an accident. There are no accidents when it comes to a pit bull killing someone, the pit is being a good dog, doing what it was designed to do. No longer are the deaths by pits contributed to strays or unknown to victim. The deaths these days are from pits who are sleeping in the same bed as their masters, raised right, neutered. Gangs have little to do with these deaths and these deaths are becoming the norm. Priorities? You need to get some and realize that innocent children are being killed. That’s where any priority needs to be, stopping this carnage.
Everything you just stated is an OPINION! Nothing you stated was factual. =) and ill continue to sleep with my pitty every night snuggled up with my Persian’s and foster kittens as well. And take joy in the fact that not all people in the world are as nasty and onesided as you. Ill continue to go through my life changing peoples oppinions about Pit-bulls just like a did last week for a Halloween my Pitty was the star of the show ! with 40 plus people there all I kept hearing was ” wow I never knew how sweet the breed could be “
Sorry to bust your bubble, but it is not opinion. The cases are well documented with links so you can check on the info yourself. Roll those dice, my life means more to me than to gamble it on a breed of dog designed specifically and selectively to kill.
http://www.DogsBite.ORG
You have more risk of dying on your next drive up the block….what a dumb blog this is, the sensationalism is incredible.
A pit bull doing exactly what it’s been “custom made” to do is NO accident!
And, YOU’RE WELCOME! Our pleasure!
This saddens me. I volunteered at a shelter just outside Denver. Being just outside Denver, a lot of pits were dumped there just to save their lives. Some of the sweetest dogs I have ever met were pits. If you changed the word “pit” to “blacks” in this discussion it would probably sound like a KKK meeting between a bunch of southern rednecks in the 60’s. It’s too bad we can’t judge each dog individually, based on the content of its character.
What an incredibly stupid comment. Dog breeds have nothing in common with human race. Dog breeds are types of dogs created, through centuries of careful and selective breeding, to have very specific inherent traits and characteristics to perform certain jobs and tasks. The traits that were beneficial to the job were accentuated and improved on while the traits not suitable to the tasks were bred out. This is why hunters use hunting dogs – and even in that grouping, there are subsets of task specific breeds. A duck hunter in Novia Scotia isn’t going to use an Irish Setter and a bird hunter in North Carolina isn’t going to use an Afghan Hound. Neither hunter is going to use a Bovier des Flanders. A stock rancher isn’t going to use a German Shorthair to round up the cattle; he will use a dog breed created for the purpose – perhaps a Border Collie or Australian Cattle Dog. If a rancher needs a dog(s) for guarding his stock at night, he isn’t going to use either of those breeds, but instead a breed created for that job, such as a Great Pyrenees or Anatolian Shepherd. Have you ever considered why police military forces aren’t using Sheepdogs or Borzois as their K9 units? Do you understand why they use the breeds specifically suited to their purpose?
To compare dog breeds to human race is either the ultimate in stupidity, or just a desperate attempt to evoke emotions from those who lack critical thinking skills and the most basic of dog knowledge.
Pit bulls are more and more being used as service animals, especially for the blind and wheelchair bound. This is because of their great aptitude toward people (when they’re not trained by humans to fight), and their intelligence. They are also very tolerant of pain (like having their foot run over by a wheelchair, or walked into by their handler).
Really ignorant comments on the breeding of pit bulls (many dogs, including great danes, have been used for fighting over the years; pits are just the latest – this is a human problem, not a dog problem). I’d encourage you to visit a dog park (outside of Aurora I guess), or a doggy day care, and notice pits playing in peace with other dogs. This is a great example of humans passing the buck…
This is because for $39.99, you can buy a fake service dog kit.
I dislike those as much as you I suppose, but there are organizations (largely for the blind as seen on the Today show) that are targeting pit bulls for the reasons above.
Yes, obviously you can buy a kit or print a fake cert online, but you can’t put a dog through actual service dog training as a leader dog for the blind/deaf on the internet. I think that’s what doglover was speaking of.
Exactly lisa. The ADA needs to Crack down on the fake service dog thing. They unfortunately need to change the rules since pit bull advocates are taking advantage of them.
Pits and Pit mixes are the one breed, out of all breeds in our country, that are responsible for 71% of human deaths. Yes, there will be some that have not snapped and may be great until death, but how many people and pets have to die because of the bad ones. Before arguing, get educated about the stats at dogsbite.org, then you might have some true knowledge of what is really happening, and how many lives are tragically changed forever because of one breed.
I’m very aware of the stats. They are not compelling – sorry, let’s focus on safer cars, or gun safety, or keeping deer of roads (all of those things kill so many more than pits, the pit issue is just silly frankly, led by folks who want to control other folks).
Get another source by the way – I’ll promise not to site biased sources, if you do.
Pits and pit mixes are one breed? By definition that’s entirely wrong.
No. If a pit is mixed with a Lab (gah) then the dog is pit driven. The horrible mutant pits are destroying our good breeds!
Hahaha! “The horrible scary mutant monsters!” You sound so paranoid. Seek a therapist.
And maybe a scientist, to help you understand the reality:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Pit bulls are amazing dogs. You are highly uneducated about dogs. They score better on the temperament test then your “good breed” of labs and retrievers. This might scare you. I have 3 pit bulls around 2 children under the age of 6. Omg. Freak out now lady
Your comment, “Pit bulls are amazing dogs.”
Pit bulls kills more than all other breeds COMBINED. There is no more murderous dog than the pit bull fighting dog.
These people can no longer voice their opinion on the pit bull problem.
December 2014
Portage, IN Edward L. Cahill, 40, Fatal pit bull attack (Christmas Day)
Corpus Christi, TX Rita Woodard, 64 Fatal pit bull attack
November 2014
Robeson County, NC Alemeaner Dial, 83 Fatal pit bull attack
October 2014
Stanislaus County, CA Juan Fernandez, 54 Fatal pit bull attack
September 2014
Sharp County, AR Alice Payne, 75 Fatal pit bull attack
Benton County, MS David Glass Sr., 51 Fatal pit bull attack
August 2014
Miami-Dade County, FL Javon Dade Jr., 4 Fatal pit bull attack
St. Charles County, MO Deriah Solem, < 2 Fatal pit bull attack
Levy County, FL Joel Chirieleison, 6 Fatal pit bull attack
Butler County, OH Cindy Whisman, 59 Fatal pit bull attack
July 2014
Montgomery County, OH Johnathan Quarles, Jr., < 1 Fatal pit bull attack
Hillsborough County, FL Logan Sheppard, 4 Fatal pit bull attack
May 2014
New Haven County, CT Rita Pepe, 93 Fatal pit bull attack
Kent County, DE Kasii Haith, 4 Fatal pit bull attack
Lee County, AL Katie Morrison, 20 Fatal pit bull attack
April 2014
Highlands County, FL Jessica Norman, 33 Fatal pit bull attack
Bexar County, TX Petra Aguirre, 83 Fatal pit bull attack
St. Clair County, AL John Harvard, 5 Fatal pit bull attack
March 2014
Kaufman County, TX Dorothy Hamilton, 85 Fatal pit bull attack
Holmes County, MS Christopher Malone, 3 Fatal pit bull attack
Terrebonne Parish, LA Mia DeRouen, 4 Fatal pit bull attack
Maricopa County, AZ Nancy Newberry, 77 Fatal pit bull attack
February 2014
Guilford County, NC Braelynn Coulter, 3 Fatal pit bull attack
Bell County, TX Je'vaeh Mayes, 2 Fatal pit bull attack
January 2014
McLean County, IL Kara Hartrich, 4 Fatal pit bull attack
Comal County, TX Betty Clark, 75 Fatal pit bull attack
Harris County, TX Christina Bell, 43 Fatal pit bull attack
Maybe you should get educated on THE TRUE FACTS. Anything you read on the Internet must be true correct?? NO, Especially if it comes from dogsbite.org it is not. That woman is a loon, All I ask is please do your research from a reputable place anywhere except that website.
The American Pit Bull Terrier (HISTORY OF FIGHTING DOGS Series) Paperback
by Joseph L. Colby
ISBN-13: 978-1846642562
Originally published in 1936, this book is extremely rare in its early editions. Hugely informative and in-depth, it is a complete treatise on the breed covering the entire field, with particular emphasis on dog-fighting.
Yeah it was written in 1936. I’m sure it has tons to say about anything relevant today. Lmao. You haters never quit hating do you?? Have you ever even met a pitbull? Or pit bull mix?? If not please come visit my 8 children and our three pit bulla. We have a lot to teach you.
That is the history of the pit bull fighting dog. The breed you claim saved your child’s life, basically doing YOUR JOB moron!
Your comment, “I personally owe my daughter still being alive to our APBT Kino. That to me is all the proof I need.”
Again, your personal anecdotes means nothing. The people of Aurora have spoken.
He is a service dog. He was actually doing his job. I was with him but I’m sorry I’m not quite in tune enough to sense seizures yet. I’m working on it though. Thanks for your concerns and your fond sentiments on my parenting skills but, we are doing just fine now. Thanks for worrying about my daughters safety. Which trust me I AM. BACK OFF you know nothing but hate I refuse to let it into my heart. We have no room for that in our home.thanks
Sure, LOL! Again, your personal anecdotes means nothing. If what you say is true, there are far more stable and more suitable breeds to do the same job.
Pushing pits as “service dogs” is part of the pit bull problem.
Wow. Stalk much. I wouldn’t know anything about any law suits because I simply am an administrator of The Passion For Pit Bulls page not the owner. Yes Kino is a certified service dog. That would be something quite stupid to lie about. I’m so happy that you have nothing better to do but stalk other people’s comments on facebook. I am quite flattered by all the interest but really, please get a life and stay out of mine. I also rescue pit bulls, wherever and whenever I can. I have 3 not all 3 are service dogs but Kino our oldest is. Thanks for all your concern but the opinions of morons don’t keep me up nights. I have a life and need some aleep. Have a marvelous evening and by all means feel free to stalk my page some more there psycho.
Sure sure, kino the furniture destroying, crazy pit bull…your words, not mine.
You’re simply a pit freak with no morals. No more, no less.
My boss Sharice would love to chat with you about our “lawsuit” she said to inbox her a message on the passion for pit bulls page. As for my comment if you’d read it properly that was when we first rescued Bully, he ate the furniture not Kino. Lol
Your comment, “My boss Sharice would love to chat with you about our “lawsuit” she said to inbox her a message on the passion for pit bulls page.”
Your lawyer is on call 24/7? HUE HUE HUE!!!!!!!!!!
I read your comments and posted them back to you. Now take your medicine!
She isn’t my lawyer, she is A lawyer
Desperate troll is getting desperate. How ridiculous!
Notice, I don’t need to get desperate and make ad-hominem attacks. I have science!
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
I just talked to my lawyer and he says you’re crazy! HUE HUE HUE
Are you a slow man? I mean like a mentally handicapped person?? I never said anything about a lawyer although she is and also happens to be an animal control officer. I just thought if you wanted to argue pit bulls she would love it. And the slow part I am referring to is the Hue hue hue thing that is not normal!!!! Lmao
A lawyer/animal control officer. sure sure.
She’s also a canadian? What’s your point? She also works in rescue. That is what my fellow pit bull lovers do we work in all fields to better serve our breed. I see that you still haven’t liked or commented on the page huh?? Guess it really isn’t for you Brazilian Portuguese guys to love anything though huh??
A lawyer and a dog catcher? LMAO
i would like to know his address to send him slander papers .. …. can you copy and past this…… you play poker ? we are about to bluff …..Please note that as of this time you are committing slander as nothing you have said regarding Passion for pit bulls is true. I do not take this lightly. In the event you do not discontinue the comments that you are making regarding Passion For Pit Bulls, we will be left with no choice but to proceed with legal action. We do not tolerate slanderous comments. AS you comments are made in writing and can be traced back to you, i would caution you that it would be very unwise to continue this slanderous and unprovoke attack against Passion For Pit Bulls or any of it’s Administration.
I’ve only repeated back what you’ve said to me. HUE HUE HUE!
Like I say, YOUR WORDS not mine.
Your comments, ” In the event you do not discontinue the comments that you are making regarding Passion For Pit Bulls, we will be left with no choice but to proceed with legal action.”
amy, I haven’t even STARTED on your lame facebook page. Only YOU! HUE HUE HUE
when he finishes, tell him to go back to the office 🙂
Oh wait, is your lawyer sitting next to you offering legal advice while you claim your pit bull is a “service dog”?
My apologies. HUE HUE HUE
Hahaha! You’re so desperate. It’s just so childish! LMAO!
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Haha! Every time you’re made to look ignorant, you launch into this rage-filled tirade! Grow up!
And when you do, learn science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726%20
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
You are just a plain freak hunnie
YOU are part of the pitbull problem Gabriel! There is no sense talking to you, you are beyond reasoning and I can only hope that one day karma comes and bites you in the ass as you so deserve with all your hatred towards living beings that are family members to people with hearts and souls, unlike you apparently. I hope one day someone comes and takes your animals from you because someone just didn’t like the look of them and read a story in the newspaper about what they are like, if in fact you have any animals that are unfortunate enough to be around you and your abusive hatred.
Blame it on me people don’t want your fighting breed game-bred trash in their city limits? Laughable.
Where do they get this garbage? What makes any moron think that intelligent human beings want to take their animals away because of how they look? Then again, silly me, I am talking about an idiot that is accusing you of hating their natural born thrill killers that maul and kill innocent people and pets in unprecedented numbers like no other breed while they wah wah about their pets having hearts and souls and being family members. Just what is it that they don’t understand that all the pets their savage killers maul and kill do have hearts and souls and are loved family members for real, unlike their mythical nice pitty?
Yeah, most pit bull owners love the conflict and violence pit bulls so happily provide.
Then there’s the fur mommies that want to save everything pit bull. They think they can love the aggression out of them.
Actually, the statistics show that only 0.000003% of pit bulls provide such violence. That’s a lot of disappointed dog owners, according to you.
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
The reality of dog fighting:
https://www.facebook.com/MamaJadeNashville/posts/662650723760024
There’s those 0.0000’s again that you write in every post. .. lol. Mister scientific. .. What a joke!
Hahaha! In your desperation, you show your lack of statistical knowledge.
If you’ve done different math, please share it. LMAO!
Where do people get facts and evidence? From science!
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
The reality of dog fighting:
https://www.facebook.com/MamaJadeNashville/posts/662650723760024
Nothing in the science supports the notion that pit bulls are natural born thrill killers. What cute wording. You must really like nonsense propaganda.
It’s funny to read comments like this. All the people living in the ghetto in Denver and Aurora associate pit bulls with, well, ghetto living.
I love when I go down to Lakewood or up to Boulder and I see all the rich, white, well-educated yuppies with their pit bulls. It really says a lot about how stereotyped the dog is.
I don’t stereotype. I use science. Science tells me to judge dogs by their individual characters; not some silly breed stereotype.
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Canine Behavioral Genetics: Pointing Out the Phenotypes and Herding up the Genes
An astonishing amount of behavioral variation is captured within the more than 350 breeds of dog recognized worldwide.
Inherent in observations of dog behavior is the notion that much of what is observed is BREED SPECIFIC AND WILL PERSIST, EVEN IN THE ABSENCE OF TRAINING OR MOTIVATION. Thus, herding, pointing, tracking, hunting, and so forth are likely to be controlled, at least in part, at the genetic level. Recent studies in canine genetics suggest that small numbers of genes control major morphologic phenotypes. By extension, we hypothesize that at least some canine behaviors will also be controlled by small numbers of genes that can be readily mapped.
OK, thanks for showing, once again, that pit bulls are safe.
Pointing is seen in the vast majority of pointers. Herding is seen in the vast majority of herders. Vast majority, BTW, means far more than 50%.
Pit bulls kill with a rate less than 0.000003%. The norm, therefor, for pit bulls, is non-violent behavior. The mean, median, and mode for pit bulls is to be non-violent. The mean, median, and mode for herders is to herd, and for pointers is to point. See how I tore your analogy apart? That’s something you never once managed to do in all your attempts to suggest that not stereotyping pit bulls is racist (yeah, total non-sequitur, but that’s what you said).
You’ve actually referenced a training manual meant to break pit bulls of their non-violent behavior, turning them into fighters.
“Recent studies” that you can’t cite. “We hypothesize,” no you don’t hypothesize anything. You’re not a scientist. You don’t understand the studies you’re attempting to reference. You don’t even know what a hypothesis is. Ignorant people can’t form hypotheses; they can only guess and hope they’re right.
You’re not a scientist, just a moron living in mommie’s basement with an axe to grind with the local popo. HUE HUE HUE!
Did you manage to finish your $80 meal of lamb in 2012? Was it easy to swallow? Did your mommie at least serve you pumpkin pie for desert? HUE HUE HUE!
With the local popo?! Wow, you’re ghetto. That explains why you can’t afford a decent education. . . or a decent meal. LMAO!
Yeah, it was amazing, like a said. It was much better than anything you could afford. I made a sweet potato pie for dessert (just like I made the rack of lamb, the rice pilaf, and the green bean casserole, all from scratch). It was also amazing. The entire meal was incredible. You’re too funny! So desperate to attack me with something, that you’ve resorted to making fun of an excellent meal that you’re clearly jealous of. Don’t be so jelly.
You’re right, though, I’m not a scientist, in the sense that I don’t work as one. I never claimed to be one. I never went around saying that I’ve formed hypotheses from research I’ve never done. I just have an extensive education in science, which is far more than you.
That’s why I can read articles like this, understand them, and critique them. Your ignorance of science is why you can’t. You don’t understand these articles. Since you can’t critique them, you just ignore and deny them.
“Ignore,” in case you don’t realize, has the same root as “ignorance.” When you ignore facts and science, you become ignorant. Here’s what you keep ignoring:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
LOL! I knew some pit bull owners and a few pit dog breeders. I know the lingo. HUE HUE HUE!
I’ve never known a pit nutter like yourself. One who advocates for pit bull dogs yet owns a pug. That is one type of pit nutter I have not met in person.
What you don’t know is that I’ve owned, trained, and been around dogs for about 8 years. I am not a dog trainer, I am just a dog enthusiast. I don’t take money for people who ask me to help train their dogs. I don’t take money for people who ask me to help them select a dog. I do it because I love dogs.
What is absurd is advocating for a breed of dog bred to kill other dogs aka the pit bull dog, the undog. I’ve met enough pit bull owners/advocates to know there is something wrong with both the dog and the owners.
What? You know white, middle-class yuppie lingo? I’ve never heard white, middle-class yuppies say “popo.” Many white, middle-class yuppies breed pit bulls, so what are you talking about?! LMAO!!! Such desperation!
You’re so determined to stereotype that you’ve gone and stereotyped dog breeders.
8 years?! That’s it? Lots of bad dog owners are around dogs for 8 years. I’ve been around dogs for the bulk of my life. There’s been, maybe, 5 years of my life that I haven’t had a dog. That pug, as I already said, is geriatric; he’s 13. That’s 5 years I have on you with just one dog! WOW!
You’ve never met someone who likes science? Imagine that! It’s not uncommon for people to find others like themselves, like how I like people who understand science, and you like people who don’t.
In the meantime, I asked for your immediate critique of these articles? Can you not critique simple scientific articles? You should easily be able to point out their sources of error (the authors actually list them in the discussion).
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Your comment, “What? You know white, middle-class yuppie lingo? I’ve never heard white, middle-class yuppies say “popo.””
Actually I never mention or imply anything about race or income level. It’s YOU who is racist. I’ve read enough of your comments.
Your comment, “8 years?! That’s it? Lots of bad dog owners are around dogs for 8 years.”
Yep, like Carla Ann Thomas. 😉
Your comment, “In the meantime, I asked for your immediate critique of these articles?”
I have read enough dog industry influenced “studies”. Don’t need to bother with the ones you’ve linked.
What you fail to realize is that the study “Canine Behavioral Genetics: Pointing Out the Phenotypes and Herding up the Genes” is part of the human genome project. It is not influenced by the dog industry and is impartial in regards to all things dog related. They know the significance of breed specific behaviors. Even dog fighters knew it’s significance.
Haha, nice excuses! If you understood the science, you wouldn’t need to deny it. You could actually critique it.
All science, even if it is conducted by a biased source, is conducted in a way in which everyone, biased or not, can critique it. That’s why an extensive methods and discussion section are included. Any scientist, anywhere, with any biases, should be able to repeat the experiment and obtain similar results. If there’s error in these articles that makes their conclusions a stretch, you should easily be able to point it out.
The fact that you continue to suggest that biases somehow nullified those results shows how truly ignorant about science you really are. Nobody with a basic understanding of science would suggest something so absurd.
So, where’s the error? Point it out, please! LMAO!!!
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
You promote a breed of dog that floods the shelters at such an alarming rate. Nobody want’s pit bulls, stop breeding the game-bred trash nobody wants!
You are the problem, not me.
This is awesome!!! LMAO
Science?
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Again, your anecdotes mean nothing. Please share science, if you have any:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
LOL!
Sure amy, you own a pit bull “service dog”.
Your comment:
Amy Kenneth Hopkins on March 30, 2014 at 3:58 am said:
I actually have one of the gotti bully pits and he is amazing. He rescued me almost 9 months ago and I wouldn’t trade my baby boy now named Bully for anything in this world. He is truly amazing.
So amy, your pit bull has been busy saving you and your daughter. He’s been a busy pooch. HUE HUE HUE!
Then you describe them as crazies:
Amy Kenneth Hopkins on March 30, 2014 at 4:07 am said:
How adorable are they?? Love their daddy to I see. Lol reminds me of my two crazies Kino and Bully. Big block heads with even bigger hearts. How could you not love a pit bull??
Now amy, that’s no way to describe a SERVICE DOG!
Your comment:
Amy Kenneth Hopkins Yes definitely post some pics I want one. My boys are inside only and have their own room but right now all.they have in.it is dog food and water and the couch and love seat (or what is left of them) that Bully ate about a konth ago. Lol
Now amy, you have furniture eating “service” pit bulls?
Your comment:
Amy Kenneth Hopkins And KINO. Bully and Kino are both my personal rescues and foster failures. Athena I just bought from a backyard breeder because I couldn’t stand her being outside and the fleas sucking the life out of her anymore. Plus she was the runt and adorable. When I saw her we fell in love as soon as we laid eyes on her.
Pit bull FOSTER FAILURES? Why amy, why? You still claiming you own a “service” pit bull? HUE HUE HUE
Your comment:
Amy Kenneth Hopkins > Passion for Pitbulls
May 7 ·
You do realize by stealing the name of another website, you could be punished by the law, I don’t know if you know thatlr not but their already is a passion for pit bulls. Just removing the space does not make you a different name,nicety though,we are conferring with our lawyers now about this, thank you for taking thetimeto hear,e out, I really appreciate that!! AMY
How’d that lawsuit go amy? It go in your favor?
Now amy, please get real and quit lying to yourself and everyone else. YOU DON’T OWN SERVICE PIT BULLS!
You just said pit bulls are domesticated. Which is it? Vicious fighting monsters, or domesticated animals specifically selected for, what did you say. . . “tameness”?
LOL
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726%20
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
The American Pit Bull Terrier (HISTORY OF FIGHTING DOGS Series) Paperback
by Joseph L. Colby
ISBN-13: 978-1846642562
Originally published in 1936, this book is extremely rare in its early editions. Hugely informative and in-depth, it is a complete treatise on the breed covering the entire field, with particular emphasis on dog-fighting.
Haha, k. Cool. Some old book about dog fighting isn’t science.
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Sorry, but it’s YOUR anecdotes that mean nothing. Science!
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
When were you planning on posting something that isn’t 100% anecdotal nonsense?
Another thing, you couldn’t teach me anything. You’re a just a disenfranchised pit bull owner who can’t figure out why people don’t want blood sport dogs in their city.
You are right..no one can teach you anything..you are too far gone in your racism and need to kill innocent animals who you know nothing about. Love all the commenters who love sprouting off stats and BS from the internet and the media. Only visiting sites that are biased instead of all the different ones out there. and yes, pit bull lover and defenders DO go look at all the graphic sites of pits being beaten and killed by you haters, just to see what other lies you all are telling.
Put your head in the sand dude. When people vote 2 to 1 in favor of BSL, there is a pit bull problem. The failure of pit bull advocates like yourself to acknowledge and fix the problem is the reason we have BSL.
Nobody to blame but yourselves.
When people vote?! Like the populace has to be scientifically literate to vote! Wow!
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726%20
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Doesn’t matter what the 2 people think, if the 1 is CORRECT! SCIENCE!
I post facts. Like it or not, they are true.
Where? You haven’t posted any so far.
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726%20
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726%20
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Here’s something for you to learn: Science!
There you go again, throwing around that word you don’t know. You really need to look up what “disenfranchised” means, because you’re using it completely wrong.
yep..so the dogs just go out there and train themselves how to fight other dogs…makes perfect sense to me…omg some of you are so uneducated about this, that it is getting scary!!
Pit bull’s come with the genetics and temperament to kill other dogs. This is not trained into the pit dog, it is inherited behavior. The behavior is internally motivated and internally rewarded.
Canine Behavioral Genetics: Pointing Out the Phenotypes and Herding up the Genes
An astonishing amount of behavioral variation is captured within the more than 350 breeds of dog recognized worldwide.
Inherent in observations of dog behavior is the notion that much of what is observed is BREED SPECIFIC AND WILL PERSIST, EVEN IN THE ABSENCE OF TRAINING OR MOTIVATION. Thus, herding, pointing, tracking, hunting, and so forth are likely to be controlled, at least in part, at the genetic level. Recent studies in canine genetics suggest that small numbers of genes control major morphologic phenotypes. By extension, we hypothesize that at least some canine behaviors will also be controlled by small numbers of genes that can be readily mapped.
Good post, I hope the fence sitters are out there taking note of your documented facts.
Yeah, sadly pit bulls were bred to lose…as family pets that is.
pit bull advocacy doesn’t help by regurgitating myths on news stories where people and pets have been mauled and killed by pit bull dogs. if they’d own up to the facts and treat their pit bulls like pit bulls they would be more accepted.
The Aurora vote only shows there is a silent majority seeking a resolution to the pit bull problem.
No, they’re just fine. Ignorant people like you just painted a nasty picture:
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
The reality of dog fighting:
https://www.facebook.com/MamaJadeNashville/posts/662650723760024
Here, for your edification:
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
The reality of dog fighting:
https://www.facebook.com/MamaJadeNashville/posts/662650723760024
Facts like these?
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Stuff some ignorant dude made up are NOT “documented facts,” silly troll. LMAO!
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
The reality of dog fighting:
https://www.facebook.com/MamaJadeNashville/posts/662650723760024
“Pit bulls come with. . . temperament to kill other dogs. This is not trained into the pit dog (sic), (sic) it is inherited behavior.”
You have studies to show this? Where are they? Cite them immediately, or you prove your ignorance. What science do you have showing this is true?
I, on the other hand, DO have science showing it is false:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
So, where’s your facts? Where’s your evidence? Or are you just making stuff up?
(OMG, this is too funny; watching you squirm!)
Lots of books published in 1936 cite reasons in the bible not to mix races or even socialize with other races. Really credible. By the way-better get rid of all the Boston Terriers too because guess who were also bred to fight (in 1936). So get your “trousers” on and dance the Charleston! And please don’t tell my beagles they’re not really tracking rabbits or fox when we play “track the scent” in the field with the organic treats they love so much. They’d be crushed to know that they have far more capabilities than what they were “bred” for (in 1936). While you’re at it, check this out: https://www.pickthepit.com/
Nice try you moron! Warn all sane people to stay off of DogsBite.org because it points out what idiots are who choose a fighter dog as a family pet! LOL Dogsbite.org is a highly reliable site on this issue. All relevant information and statistics for factual corroborated truths by animal and canine experts on this important public safety issue .
https://bslnews.org/2012/01/24/the-real-dog-bite-statistics-plus-media-myths-colleen-lynn-exposed/
Hahaha!!! You obviously didn’t read this at all before posting. It’s all garbled up! CindyB might want to get a basic education before posting. LMAO
It’ll help you with your typing, and your ignorance of science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
I think you need a basic education. Especially since you are “thankful that you didn’t buy a turkey in 2012 thanksgiving”. Who the f u c k buys a rack of lamb for thanksgiving?!? An unamerican, that’s who… And you hate Veterans? I dare you to walk up to one and say that! I think the only college you’ve been going to is the one that is attached to the elementary school. I knew you were a “game of throne” full time job seeker. Lmfao b i t c h.
Hahahaha!!! Your desperation is getting ridiculous. Is that the best you can come up with?! That I had a lot more money than $15 to spend on my Thanksgiving?! Bahahaha!!!!
The $80-worth of rack of lamb, rare, was simply amazing. Hope you enjoyed your overcooked, bland sandwich meat. I’m buying a duck this year (thankfully, because of H Mart, duck is a cheaper option, too).
OMG, you’re too funny. Then you say crap about the only college I go to. If you’re so busy looking at my FB profile, why don’t you check for yourself what college I go to? Is FB that difficult to use? LMAO!!!
Seriously, “‘game of throne’ full time job seeker”?! Wow, you’re desperate. You’re so desperate you’re typing crap that makes, literally, no sense at all. You’re just trying to grasp at any straws you can, and you keep coming up empty! LMAO!!!
All your nonsequitur nonsense is really turning into icing on the cake — a rich buttercream icing that tastes like heaven!
Come on, guy. The jigs up! Anyone who visited your Facebook page can see your a gamer. I bet you have thumb muscles the size of Rosie O’Donnell. But remember to use the term sequitur in all posts from now on. Lol sequitur sequitur sequitur. .. lmfao.
“your (sic) a gamer” LMAO! No, I’m not. And even if I were, so what? Is that the best you can do, is more non-sequitur nonsense?! Hahaha! You make it horribly obvious how desperate you are. You make it horribly obvious that you’re terrified of the facts. All you can do at this point is keep trolling, as you run scared from the science.
Facts are backed in science; not emotions. Get your feelings under control, so you can use logic for once.
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
I love overcooked and bland turkey. It reminds me to be thankful that I have other food options for the other 364 days of the year. See? Thankful. ..
It’s funny, too, how you’re so thick that you don’t get that the people who hate veterans are those who use them.
I don’t hate veterans. That’s why I don’t want them fighting overseas. That’s why I do want them to have a basic education by the time they’re finished, rather than the brainwashing that is currently standard.
And don’t worry, I did tell Veterans that yesterday. I told them all about how I hate wasting their lives, sending them around the world to fight in conflicts that only increase, dramatically, our enemies’ ranks. Intelligent veterans get it. LOL!
By your standards, there is no intelligent veterans. I smell back pedaling from your previous statements. Sometimes you have to think about what you say before it randomly spews from the receptacle you call a “mouth” but I call it a receptacle because all I see coming out of it is garbage.
Haha! “I smell back pedaling.” You smell it? You can’t, like, READ it? You can’t IDENTIFY it? Hahaha! Nobody back pedelled on anything. And your “no intelligent veterans” nonsense is yet another non-sequitur. You really need to look up logical fallacies, because you don’t seem to understand them at all.
He doesn’t like America.
did you get your facts from the media or possibly facebook and from all the pit haters?? Do you know the breed who has the history of biting humans the most? why don’t you go get educated on the stats before opening your mouth…dogsbite.org is specifically targeting pitbulls, therefore are racist and biased. As for how many lives are tragically changed??? Ask the families of pits how they feel because of people like you killing their defenseless and innocent family members? One day I hope someone comes knocking on your door and takes away your animals, if God forbid you have any. Go get educated, then you have the right to quote statistics…until then..all you are spreading are lies and hate.
dogsbite debunked
https://bslnews.org/2012/01/24/the-real-dog-bite-statistics-plus-media-myths-colleen-lynn-exposed/
LOL! “bslnews.org”
Well here’s some BSL news. Aurora doesn’t want fighting breed dogs in their city limits. 😉
Here’s some news! The people are often wrong:
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
The reality of dog fighting:
https://www.facebook.com/MamaJadeNashville/posts/662650723760024
Quebec just repealed their Pit Bull ban.
Then it’s a sad day for Quebec as the pit bull problem has not been resolved. There will be more violence and deaths soon enough. I’m sure the vote will come up again and BSL will yet again be law.
I’m just as sure that you’re wrong.
Getting your “stats” or “facts” from dogsbite.org is like writing a college term paper using Wikipedia to cite resources and information. That website is led by a pit bull hater who has dedicated her life to spread misinformation on the bully breeds in order to TRY and help get rid of them all together. Oh and I am extremely educated on all sides of this arguement Ms Perkins. I get my facts and stats from respectable sites, not from one sided biased ones. 😀
What facts are you disputing from Dogsbite.org? Most all the information is multi-sourced and verified. It’s sad pit bulls maul and kill so much but it’s like blaming the messenger.
Verified by…? Hahahahahaha!!!!
Puleez. Science! That’s how you verify reality, silly.
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
It’s too bad people won’t read dogs bite.org and if they do they don’t believe the statistics . Unfortunately , obituaries don’t lie.
So many deaths of children by the family pit bull.
The argument is always all dogs bite. But a poodle can’t maul and kill like a pit bull.
You are an ignorant woman
Your comment, “This is because of their great aptitude toward people (when they’re not trained by humans to fight), and their intelligence.”
Laughable statement.
Pit bulls were bred to kill another dog in the pit in the most inhumane way possible. If a pit bull dog makes a good pet it is in spite of it being a pit bull dog and not because it is a pit bull dog.
Pit bull “intelligence”, they are smart at killing. When we read about pit bull on dog attacks, it’s the non-pit bull dog who almost always takes the majority of the damage. Many times pit bulls end up disabling or killing the other dog.
Dogs’ ranking based on their intelligence
01 Border Collie
02 Poodle
03 German Shepherd
04 Golden Retriever
05 Doberman Pincher
06 Shetland Sheepdog
07 Labrador Retriever
08 Papillion
09 Rottweiler
10 Australian Cattle Dog
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82 American Pitbull Terrier – HUE HUE HUE
Laughable indeed…site your source. The pit bull is not an actual breed, but one variation (the only AKC pit, American Staffordshire Terrier) is consistently in the top half of all breeds for intelligence.
The fact that you believe they are unintelligent tells me you’ve had no exposure to them. No surprise, ignorance usually fuels this type of outcry (pits, ebola, salem witch, whatever…)
Find and meet a pit, and see how ridiculous this blog is.
https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/breedinfo.html
It is a breed.Long history.
https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_pit_bull_terrier/dog.html?id=1375732-colbys-pincher
American Pit Bull Terrier
Your comment, “Laughable indeed…site your source. The pit bull is not an actual breed, but one variation (the only AKC pit, American Staffordshire Terrier)”
Legal definition of pit bull:
A “pit bull,” is defined as any dog that is an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits of any one (1) or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics which substantially conform to the standards established by the American Kennel Club or United Kennel Club for any of the above breeds. Dias v. City & County of Denver, 567 F.3d 1169, 1173 (10th Cir. Colo. 2009)
Defintion of pit bull from famous breeder John P. Colby, dog fighter/breeder of the breed you claim does not exist:
The American Pit Bull Terrier (HISTORY OF FIGHTING DOGS Series) Paperback
by Joseph L. Colby
ISBN-13: 978-1846642562
Originally published in 1936, this book is extremely rare in its early editions. Hugely informative and in-depth, it is a complete treatise on the breed covering the entire field, with particular emphasis on dog-fighting.
From the ASPCA regarding identification of the breed you claim does not exist:
“The population of dogs coming into the sheltering population in Richmond, VA, may be different than elsewhere, but at least at the Richmond SPCA, with a specific look and type, staff were quite good at breed identification—correctly identifying 96% of the dogs in the study as having at least 25% of the breeds noted above.”
Then there’s the pit bull fan pages and game dog websites celebrating the pit bull fighting dog which you claim can’t be identified.
Legal definition of Scientifically illiterate: Gabriel Barros! LMFAO!!!
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726%20
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Your comment, “(the only AKC pit, American Staffordshire Terrier) is consistently in the top half of all breeds for intelligence.”
The only thing pit bulls are smart about is killing other dogs.
The only thing that’s smart about them is, well, same as most dogs. They’re pretty average. In the meantime:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
By the way, thanks for nothing – I had to look up the stats only to notice my own Beagle and Basset right at the bottom…I’d rather of stayed in my ignorant bliss on that issue…(kind of like the BSL folks).
Beagle still smarter than a pit bull, just not deadlier. I think basset hounds are wonderful dogs.
Lazy dogs for lazy people. Says a lot. No wonder you won’t seek a real education.
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Let me guess another scholar from dogsbite.org?? I am sorry but american pit bull terriers score higher on their temperament testing than almost any other breed in 90% of cases. (Proven fact) and they happen to be one of the smartest breed of dogs.
You mean the ATTS? Haha, that’s laughable. The fact that pit bulls kill more than all other breeds combined proves that the ATTS is either not the correct test to measure if a dog will be a good pet or that the ATTS is a scam…how about BOTH.
Fun fact, the ATTS scores the test BY BREED. Not only do people stereotype pit bull dogs, the ATTS does!
From my experience pit bulls are not smart at all.
What experience?? What you’ve read on your ancient books from the 30’s or from your extensive Internet hate mails?? I personally owe my daughter still being alive to our APBT Kino. That to me is all the proof I need.
Pit bulls killed at least 26 people this year. Mauled many more, and mauled and killed many many more pets.
Just because you claim to have gotten lucky with your pit dog means absolutely nothing.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19302402
Vicious dog owners were higher in sensation seeking and primary psychopathy. Study results suggest that vicious dog ownership may be a simple marker of broader social deviance.
This is why I stay away from pit bull owners.
At least at a dog club we have witnesses if a pit bull goes crazy. The owner can’t just run off. Pit bull owners do seem to either seek out conflict or create their own.
Um, here’s that science stuff you hate so much:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726%20
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726%20
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Ring Ring!!! What’s that? Is science calling?
Anomalies? Oh, cool:
Science helps us discern truth from perception, reality from fantasy, fact from fiction. You love your scary pit bull fantasy, but science shows us REALITY!
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Where’s your science? All you have so far are anecdotes. Do you have anything real?
Here are examples:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
ANOMALIES!!! SCARY!!!
Haha. . . science!
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Haha, so stupid!
Science, fool:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726%20
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
I’m thinking your daddy didn’t spank you enough.
Hahaha!!! Ad hominem nonsense!
Please, stick to science. Lose gracefully.
Pit bull type dogs are not therapy dogs! Stop it! You are living in a dream world and failing miserably in your attempt to incorporate the fighter breed into normal breeds. Crazy!
False
https://www.pinterest.com/stubbydog/pit-bulls-are-therapy-dogs/
Haha, it’s hilarious when someone has so ignorantly built their entire opinion about a dog on a silly stereotype. There’s plenty of great pit bulls.
You’re failing miserably to use science. Try it!
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Pits are called pit bulls because they were (and are) purpose-bred to fight in a pit! They don’t have to be “trained to fight” by “bad owners.” They are not selected as service dogs for the blind or handicapped, they are being passed off as “support animals” for emotionally damaged people and anyone willing to buy a fake vest. They need no training or testing in order to pose as “therapy” or “service” dogs. It’s criminal. But that shouldn’t surprise us. BAD RAP, one of the leading pit bull rescue groups in the U.S. recently warned people who adopt pits not to bring them to daycares or dog parks, because when they hit maturity at age 2-3, they start to injure and kill other dogs. It is a dog problem that has become a human problem. Seriously, anyone on here has the ability to google pit bull plus death or plus maul and figure this out for themselves.
To deny that you can compare dog breeds with the human race is denial.
Denial of facts will get you nowhere. It just proves how ignorant you are.
Black on white crime is rampant. According to your exact logic, black people should be eliminated. You support the KKK. Period. End of discussion. These scenarios are 100% identical, and the only way you can say otherwise is to deny reality.
From my experience, the people who claim pit bull “racism” are racist.
What minority wants to be compared to a pit bull dog?
In 2010, 62,593 black people were victims of white violence, while 320,082 white people were the victims of black violence. That’s 5 times more violence, from one-fifth the population. That means a white person is 25 times more likely to be a victims of black violence than a black person is to be a victim of white violence.
Now, I don’t think black people are violent. I use LOGIC, REASON, SCIENCE, and CRITICAL THINKING! I understand that the actions of a few bad apples, even 62,000 of them, does not mean the entire race, or even most members of it, is bad.
That’s YOUR rationale. That’s YOUR thinking. You’re the one judging everyone based on the actions of a select few.
And what were you talking about again?! Twenty-some dog bite fatalities?! That’s it?! Holy crap! That’s so few incidences! You’d have to be incredibly PREJUDICED to use such a STEREOTYPE to judge this RACE of dog.
Face it. Your a racist bigot. The evidence is overwhelming.
I’ll say it again, no minority wants to be compared to your pit bull dogs.
Your comment, “And what were you talking about again?! Twenty-some dog bite fatalities?! That’s it?! Holy crap! That’s so few incidences!”
Those are human victims who did not survive their pit bull attack. Some of them family members. I believe the number is over 30 now and we are not at the end of the year. There are also adults and children who have survived but have been permanently disfigured by pit bull dogs and pets who have been mauled and killed by pit bull dogs.
Just face it, nobody want’s your game-bred fighting breed trash near them.
Your comment, “You’d have to be incredibly PREJUDICED to use such a STEREOTYPE to judge this RACE of dog.”
There is not such thing as a “race” of dog. Goes to show how insensitive you are, but I’d expect that from a pit bull owner. Remember this, pure breed dogs are all about creating a stereotype, MORON.
It’s not me who is the racist, it is YOU.
“I’ll say it again…” Why? It was a pointless, irrelevant comment in the first place. Who cares what minorities want to be compared to? That has NOTHING to do with the point. Are you seriously this thick? Holy crap! The point is that people STEREOTYPE people, and that exact same thinking is REQUIRED to STEREOTYPE pit bulls. That’s what you’re doing. You’re using RACIST thinking, whether you realize it or not. It’s fine if you want to deny it, but I have used FACTS and EVIDENCE to show this. Statistics! Science! Critical thinking!
I don’t own a pit bull. Maybe you need to learn to read, stupid. I own a geriatric pug. Are you really this dumb? Wow!
Over 30?! OMG, you’ve gone from bizarre statistical anomaly to bizarre statistical anomaly. In other words (since that’s probably a lot fro you to take in); 20 to 30 to 100 is still a ludicrously tiny fraction of pit bulls.
You’ve shown NOTHING except that you’re a slave to your emotions. Just look at the language you used: “Some of them have family members.” Everyone, every human on earth, has family members, whether they know them or not, including the thousands of people killed by other people, or MILLIONS of people killed by mosquitos. “There are also… children who have… been permanently disfigured by pit bull dogs” Yes, and kids are disfigured by labrador dogs, golden retriever dogs, pug dogs (yes, I keep repeating “dogs” because you look incredibly stupid when you do it), and every kind of dog. My father, a plastic surgeon, fixes up dog bites all the time. Stupid owners and parents leave dogs with babies all the time. According to BSL, this is 100% okay. According to science, reason, logic, and laws which address bad ownership instead of specific dog breeds, it is 100% NOT okay to leave babies and dogs together unattended. “pets who have been mauled and killed by pit bull dogs.” And dalmatians. Especially dalmatians. Like, if you go to Youtube, and watch videos of dogs killing cats, a huge portion are dalmatians. Research does a brain good.
“Race” and “breed” are the same thing for all intents and purposes. You just saying it’s “insensitive” does not make it insensitive. You have to substantiate this sort of thing: HOW does it make me insensitive? You can’t say? Thought so. (Holy crap, you’re stupid!)
Anyway, it’s not me who is racist, as I have shown using FACTS and EVIDENCE; it is YOU, as I have shown using FACTS and EVIDENCE! LMAO!!!
Your comment, ” Who cares what minorities want to be compared to?”
Why do you hate minorities so much?
Your comment, “The point is that people STEREOTYPE people, and that exact same thinking is REQUIRED to STEREOTYPE pit bulls.”
Again I will point out to you minorities are not pit bulls and do not want to be compared to your dogs.
Your comment, “You’re using RACIST thinking, whether you realize it or not. It’s fine if you want to deny it, but I have used FACTS and EVIDENCE to show this.”
You need to read what you write. I am posting your own words back to you.
I don’t like racists, you are an ugly, shallow, and morally bankrupt person. Enjoy your life of ignorance.
I don’t hate or like “minorities.” It’s stupid to form an opinion about an entire group of similar-looking organisms based on the actions of very few. That’s racism. That’s what you’ve used to decide that pit bulls are bad.
You need to read what I wrote. Read what you quoted. It clearly isn’t sinking in, because you’re really, REALLY thick.
“Again I will point out…” the same irrelevant statement you’ve already made. Wow! How thick can you be!? Who cares? NOBODY!!! Congratulations!
I don’t like racists, and you’re clearly, as I’ve shown using FACTS and EVIDENCE an ugly, shallow, morally bankrupt person. Enjoy your life of TRUE ignorance.
I will happily enjoy knowledge, science, and truth. If you think that’s “ignorance,” I feel really bad for you. Get an education, so you don’t sound so incredibly dumb. Hahaha!!!
Your comment, “I don’t hate or like “minorities.” It’s stupid to form an opinion about an entire group of similar-looking organisms based on the actions of very few. That’s racism.”
Racism definition: [rey-siz-uh m]: a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various HUMAN races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
I’m curious why you saw it fit to say you “don’t like or hate minorities”. What’s up with that?
What’s up with what? The truth? Are you really this thick? It’s hilarious when stupid trolls don’t realize that being a buttmonkey isn’t the kind of attention you’re looking for.
Anyway, if you really are this stupid, let me explain: It’s racist to say “I hate black people.” It’s also kinda racist to say, “I like black people.” I like some black people. I like them because of who they are on the inside; not the color of their skin. I dislike the black people who yell at each other in my apartment complex at 6 in the morning not because they’re black, but because they’re inconsiderate.
I also like some white people, some asians, some Mexicans, and others. I like all these people because of their personalities. There’s plenty of members of every race who have crappy personalities, like you. I don’t specifically like or dislike any of them for their race or ethnicity (I don’t even know yours). That would be stereotyping.
Listen, it’s really obvious that you’re very shallow, and you’re very unfamiliar with science and statistics. If you’d like a tutor, especially to help you with that basic education, I could probably help find you one.
You are so racist! HUE HUE HUE
Hahaha, sure. Says the person who stereotypes based on appearance. I’m sure you know what racism even is. LMFAO!!!
Get a life, troll. Or not. If you wanna be my buttmonkey, then dance, monkey! Dance! Hahaha!!!
Pure breed dogs are all about creating a stereotype. Physically and behaviorally. Minorities are NOT pit bull dogs.
Enjoy your life of ignorance.
Your comment, “If you wanna be my buttmonkey, then dance, monkey! Dance!”
So you hate gays and black people. Who else?
“Pure breed dogs are all about creating a stereotype.”
Haha, in that case, silly, unscientific, ignorant fool, you’ve admitted that pit bulls are good dogs. At least 4,999,960 of them haven’t killed anybody. The vast majority of those haven’t mauled, maimed, or even bitten anybody.
The AVERAGE behavior for the breed is obedience and docility. You’re well beyond 3 standard deviations away from the average. According to statistics and SCIENCE, this is anomalous! This average is the mean, median, and mode. The vast, VAST majority of pit bulls are good, innocent dogs. You want to slaughter them all for the crimes of less than 0.000003% of them.
“Hate gays and black people.” Wow, you’re so racist! Nothing in that comment at all is a reference to homosexuals or black people. The fact that your brain jumped to that shows how racist you really are. Seriously, how much more evidence are you gonna provide showing this? It’s ludicrous how blatant your racism is, as you attempt to project it onto me!
Pit bulls were bred for over a century to kill another dog in “the pit” in the most inhumane way possible.
A pit bull might be a good pet but it is not because it is a pit bull but in spite of it being a pit bull. Dog fighters never meant for pit bulls to be pets. They were bred for blood sport. If you’ve ever wondered why a pit bull jumps from a 2nd story balcony to kill another dog, it’s because it is a pit bull.
While you might think pit bulls make “good pets”, there are far more loving and stable breeds to consider a pet.
Haha, you’re really struggling with this whole science thing. They’re strong dogs. That’s it. When they do bite, they can hurt more, but many dog breeds are capable of just as much. And some are faster, making them better at mauling pets, like dalmatians (seriously, why haven’t you gone and watched some cats get killed? These dalmatians are freaking FAST!).
You want a good dog? Be a good owner. Get it spayed or neutered. Show dominance. Give it a lot of attention.
There’s plenty of stats showing that the dog breeds that bite the most are the little ones. Like pit bull bites, this probably comes from bad ownership, since people often pamper cute, little dogs, failing to show dominance (as opposed to the neglect and violence that creates violent pit bulls).
I think dogs that are raised well make “good pets.” There is no such thing as a “loving” or “stable” breed, as they are pack animals that ALL display affection, and yet, predators, capable of predatory behavior. This is apparently too much for your thick head to take in, but science doesn’t care about your beliefs.
You wouldn’t believe how many people think pugs are a “good pet.” Our pug is delightful, one of the biggest sweethearts I’ve ever met. I’ve also met a pug that was one of the most vicious dogs I’ve ever come across, who would, literally, bite a piece out of your finger or hand if you tried to take food from her. Permanent disfigurement, from a pug.
There’s less genetic diversity in 10,000 pugs than between 50 humans. And yet, we see a MASSIVE range in behavior in this one breed, including a few, albeit rare, vicious ones. If you’d take a psychology class on personality, you’d learn that personality is only partially tied to genetics.
At best, personality traits are 50% heritable, but the reality is that very genetically similar people can be very different. Do you honestly believe identical twins are the same person? That’s prejudiced, in case you didn’t know. Racism is a form of prejudiced thinking.
You want a good dog? Be a good owner. Get it spayed or neutered. Show dominance. Give it a lot of attention.
Your comment, “At best, personality traits are 50% heritable, but the reality is that very genetically similar people can be very different.”
I believe it to be more like 70% genetics and 30% environment and training. what most people don’t understand is that working breed dogs comes with breed specific behaviors and that temperament is set at birth. a dog dies with the same temperament it is born with.
many times when we read about pit bull attacks, the owner has no clue why their pit bull mauled or killed their child or pet. the most common description is that the pit bull “snapped”. what is actually happening is that the pit bull is triggered by some benign event which triggers it’s genetically programmed behavior and that is what people are witnessing.
We read about this type of behavior constantly when pit bull attacks are reported. you can even look them up yourself.
Will a pit bull attack it’s family or the neighbors, nobody knows, maybe, maybe no. If it does, did the pit bull owner train it to do this? more than likely, no. it was a pet pit bull who acted on its genetically programmed behavior.
what pit bull advocates fail to realize is that pit bulls were created by dog fighters to kill other dogs. so when a pit bull owner comes home to find their other dog torn to shreds it is because of the simple fact that, for whatever reason, it acted on its genetically programmed response.
“I believe it to be more” Science doesn’t care what you believe.
“when we read about pit bull attacks, the owner has no clue” This is true of all dog attacks. The only difference is that when labradors do it, everyone believes the owner.
“Will a pit bull attack it’s family or the neighbors, nobody knows, maybe, maybe no” We know based on how that pit bull is raised. I’ve known pit bulls who I can safely say would never bite a person. I’ve known others I don’t feel safe around at all. I’ve met plenty of other dogs I don’t feel safe around either.
“We read about this type of behavior constantly when pit bull attacks are reported. you can even look them up yourself.” We also read about how black males rob, rape, and kill innocent white people. Do you think that’s normal behavior for black males?
“If it does, did the pit bull owner train it to do this? more than likely, no. it was a pet pit bull who acted on its genetically programmed behavior.” False dichotomy. There are plenty of things the owner could have done other than directly train it to attack. Please reference the science published by The American Veterinary Medical Association, and see for yourself what sort of factors contribute to dog bite fatalities.
What you fail to realize is that you’ve failed to provide evidence. Please provide any at all. LMFAO!!!
Your comment, “We also read about how black males rob, rape, and kill innocent white people. Do you think that’s normal behavior for black males?”
Still being an ignorant racist. Says so much about you.
Haha!!! How stupid!
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ie=UTF-8&q=analogy
Your literal interpretation of the analogy is a reflection of your own racism. You’re just a filthy bigot, and you’re desperate to project it onto me. It’s hilarious!
YOU started the pit bull “racism” garbage and I remind you that minorities don’t want to be compared to your pit bull dogs.
You’re not the first to show his true colors to me. Many of you pit bull advocates who claim pit bull “racism” eventually show how racist you truly are.
No, I never called you racist. You came around here specifically implying that I was racist.
You took it personally when I pointed out racist thinking. You basically said “that racist thinking sounds like me.”
Can you provide evidence that I am racist? Your ad hominem accusations are getting old. I’ve provide FACTS and EVIDENCE. Can you? Do you even know what those are? Here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=facts&oq=facts&aqs=chrome..69i57j0j69i65j0l3.943j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=facts+definition
https://www.google.com/search?q=facts&oq=facts&aqs=chrome..69i57j0j69i65j0l3.943j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=evidence+definition
And if you’re still confused, here’s examples:
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
Now, any intelligent discussion, or are you gonna keep being a child? LMAO!!!
Your comment, “No, I never called you racist.”
You sure did call me racist!
Your own comment, “It’s ludicrous how blatant your racism is, as you attempt to project it onto me!”
Your comment, “You came around here specifically implying that I was racist.”
I am not implying anything. I have been telling you and I am telling you now, “you are racist”. As far as “evidence” you only need to go back and read your own comments as proof. No minority wants to be compared to your pit bull dogs. It’s insulting.
Many, if not all of the sources you cite from are dog industry backed sources. The integrity of any study you use from those should be scrutinized thoroughly as the stakeholders for those businesses rely on funds from the dog industry.
We only need to look at the fact that pit bulls kills more people that all other breeds combined shows that there is a problem. A problem pit bull advocates have no interest in fixing.
“Many, if not all of the sources you cite from are dog industry backed sources.”
Independent scientists? No, they’re not.
You really need to get scientifically literate. If you were, you’d realize that even if a source is biased, if the science holds, it holds. Now, rebut it:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
If you can’t rebut it, you’re wrong.
Why would they want to fix it? Would kind of defeat the purpose of owing a bloodsport dog.
Says a lot about how you don’t understand analogies. Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726%20
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Your comment, “At best, personality traits are 50% heritable, but the reality is that very genetically similar people can be very different.”
Where is your “science” for this comment, MORON.
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726%20
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Science!
Your comment, “You want a good dog? Be a good owner. Get it spayed or neutered. Show dominance. Give it a lot of attention.”
According to you, your own comments are not based on science. Where’s the numbers? How much is “a lot”? Define “good owner”. What is “show dominance”, how is this done?
Your comment, “Like pit bull bites, this probably comes from bad ownership, since people often pamper cute, little dogs, failing to show dominance (as opposed to the neglect and violence that creates violent pit bulls).”
Hardly call this science either. Where’s those numbers?
This is using your own moronic logic.
I notice the dullards like yourself, who really have no business even saying the word “dog”, resort to claiming “racism”.
Honestly, you have no knowledge regarding dogs, especially pit bulls so you resort to insults and claiming pit bull “racism” in order to avoid any type of meaningful debate.
Again, enjoy your life of ignorance.
Haha! Wow, you’re dumb! Anyway, AGAIN, I will enjoy my life of “ignorance,” in the way you mean it. I will enjoy my life of science, reason, and critical thinking. You enjoy your naivety and true ignorance. I have shown this with FACTS and EVIDENCE.
It’s incredibly pathetic that you’d claim that I’m a racist and turn this into that in order to distract from your TOTAL LACK of FACTS and EVIDENCE, then accuse me of doing so. I have done no such thing. You suggested I was a racist, so I used FACTS and EVIDENCE to show that I am not but you seem to be.
Obvious troll is being obvious. Only obvious troll doesn’t realize that he’s just being a buttmonkey. Your parents must not have loved you, for you to be so desperate for attention that you keep coming back to get your ass handed to you.
I am completely willing to address any facts and evidence you have to present for meaningful debate. I believe you will present NONE WHATSOEVER. Enjoy being scientifically illiterate. When you feel like joining modern society, get ahold of me, and I’ll find you a tutor.
Your comment, “You obviously don’t understand that to create fighting dogs, a whole lot of abuse has to take place (like, some sick, twisted abuse). It’s not natural, at all, for dogs to be so violent, especially with other dogs.”
specifically speaking about fighting breed dogs, there is this thing called dog aggression. it’s one of the traits bred into the pit bull dog. while an adult pit bull may not overtly show dog aggression, even some pit bull advocates will tell you to never trust your pit bull will not fight, to not take your pit bull to the dog park, and that doing so will only set your pit bull up for failure.
I read a recent message where a 10 year old pit bull all of a sudden, without warning or provocation, killed its companion, a Chihuahua. This is another behavior bred into pit bull dogs, impulsive aggression.
Your comment, “You want a good dog? Be a good owner. Get it spayed or neutered. Show dominance. Give it a lot of attention.”
Most dogs don’t need to be “shown dominance”, they fall right into place within the family. Some good examples of compliant breeds of dogs are the Golden Retriever, Labrador Retriever, Papillon, Poodles, and some smaller/toy breeds that are known to be gentle pets. Are all dogs in those breeds compliant, no, are most compliant, yes.
You really like to just make stuff up, huh? LMAO!
Poodles?! WRONG!!! Poodles are known for being biters with dominance issues. Smaller breeds? Like dachshunds, chihuahuas, jack russells? All very big biters who exhibit dominance issues? Wow, you’re dumb! Dominance is an essential part of dog raising, and idiots like you who don’t understand it shouldn’t be raising dogs. I really hope you don’t own any, since dominance confusion is borderline animal abuse.
Research, dude. That’s what we do in science. Try it. Like I said, if you need tutoring resources, I can help you find them. You clearly need a basic education. Then, you can start thinking about college! Imagine that! An ignorant, naive, and frankly, stupid person like you getting smart enough for big boy school!
Your comments are racist, ignorant, and insensitive. I’m thinking you’re a horrible person.
Comparing the situation to racial discrimination is not a comparison of dogs to humans. It is a comparison of the thought process behind the banning of a group of dogs and racism. Yes dogs are bred for specific purposes, but dogs are not clones. Just because a dog is a herding breed does not guarantee it will herd. The chance that they will herd is higher then if they were not a herding breed but you need to see how the individual dog behaves in order to determine if it will in fact herd. This is true for all breeds. They are individuals and to kill them off because they look a certain way is judging them by appearance and not by their behavior. What is funny is bsl advocates always say the race comparison is stupid because dogs are not humans and then turn around and say how a dog “murdered” someone. That is stupid. Dogs kill but they don’t murder and if you can’t understand that then you should not be speaking on someone else’s lack of understanding.
It’s still a stupid comparison. Lots of folks who are pro pitbull also like to cite how other breeds also bite, like poodles or chihuahuas. But these dogs do not have the ability to kill with their specific jaws like a pitbull. When I see someone with one, I immediately know that person has no consideration for their neighbors.
Very true. Many pit bull advocates are Chihuahua and small dog haters. I do know from personal experience pit bull owners have no respect for their neighbors.
So true. Every time you see where a Pit Bull mauled a little or passive dog or cat, the Pit pimps amass to sing a chorus from “The victim was at fault and deserved to be mauled”.
Nobody has ever said anything like that, ever, except the bad owners. The chorus I always hear is “The OWNER was at fault and deserves to be punished.” If you’re just going to make stuff up, get lost. There’s plenty of facts and evidence to show the reality:
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
The reality of dog fighting:
https://www.facebook.com/MamaJadeNashville/posts/662650723760024
If it’s the owners fault describe to me what a bad owner is. if a dog owner loves his dog and provides care for them, without treating them with aggression, doesn’t yell at them and then the dog goes and kills somebody how do you explain that? Without sarcastic reply. I’m ask you a serious question.
Isolation
you can’t keep a dog locked up in the house, or in a kennel 8-9 hrs a day, 5-6 days a week (working hours) and then never take the dog around people, or just plain have the dog ONLY around you. Isolation will make the best of dog mean
Then there should be a warning label on pit bulls that if they are left kenneled for 8 hrs or more the pit bull(s) may kill you or your neighbor, your neighbor’s children, or you neighbor’s pets.
I’ve left my dogs at home for 10 hrs/day 5 days/week and never had a problem except some poop near the door to the backyard. 😉
just like children Gab, they don’t come with instructions……
and those dogs, bet if I came walking up to your door, they would be tearing the door apart….I’m sure they are little guys, but little guys can still sound ferocious.
Do some research, as you say you always do….you’ll find discussions on *isolation* and you’ll find ….it’s true.
Good Night Gab….have a wonderful evening…..going home to give my poochies a hug and a treat…..they actually sit and wait till they see my lights turn down the drive…..wonderful feeling, going home to a house full of love!
Your comment, “just like children Gab”
No Pam, pit bulls are dogs and children are human. That’s part of the problem with pit bull advocacy, attempting to make it seem like pit bulls are human. They are not, they are pure breed working dogs bred for blood sport.
Your comment, “bet if I came walking up to your door, they would be tearing the door apart”
My dogs bark, they don’t tear doors apart.
Your comment, “going home to give my poochies a hug and a treat”
Remember what you imply, 8+hrs and your pit bulls might just kill someone. Keep them pibbles contained Pam.
Haha, more nonsense! You’re just so desperate to spread ignorance, even when you’ve been soundly beaten.
Children are human. Sometimes, children grow up to become thieves, rapists, and murderers. Guess we should kill all people. This is your logic, when applied to humans. You keep trying to say “well, it’s somehow different for pit bulls” but you can’t explain how. In logic, you can’t just declare something; you have to show it to be true using things that are known.
Sometimes, things come to be known through science. This is science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
If you have any science or logic, please share it, you sad, pathetic, yet curiously hilarious, little troll. LMFAO!
ur a sick B Gab…and all your little people that think like horrible killers….you are the ones to live in your miserable world, don’t push it on me….
No Gab, I’m not letting *your* kind get to me anymore, I’ll let the new ones give it to you, I want to be able to keep on here, keep spreading my word, because my word comes from experience and not statistics. I have never said that there are *bad* pits, I’ve just said there are *bad* dogs. And if someone has been hurt by one of these dogs, or someone close did, I’m sorry for them, I’m sorry the ignorant human had a dog as such.
Never wish something on someone Gab, God works in mysterious ways, that wish just may boomerang on you.
Your comment, “ur a sick B Gab…and all your little people that think like horrible killers….you are the ones to live in your miserable world, don’t push it on me….”
I do fine Pam, thank you for your concern.
Your comment, “No Gab, I’m not letting *your* kind get to me anymore”
It’s okay Pam, looks like pibbles just made a new victims. Some lady comes to my door all huffy and puffy looking for the pit bull that attacked her dog (thinking it was mine). I happily pointed her 2 houses down from me. Looks like pibbles made some new friends and is going to get a dirt nap. 😉
like I said, be careful what you wish for, it may boomerang….Like maybe the huffy puffy lady has a gun and shoots BEFORE she asks………………………..
Pit bull owners are horrible people. What kind of person owns and advocates for fighting breed dogs? Oh, yeah, YOU!
Haha! The non-sequitur fantasy you’ve concocted is what’s known as a strawman. You need to learn what logical fallacies are, because you just keep making them.
How do I explain the fictional situation you just described? By stating the fact that it is fiction. You made it up.
A good owner is one who is attentive but displays dominance. Neglect is abuse. Physical abuse is abuse. Dominance confusion is abuse. Abused dogs bite; the unabused don’t. Therefor, a bad owner is any owner whose dog bites somebody. Period.
This isn’t subjective, now; c’mon. How thick are you? If you really need to have this explained, then you really, truly don’t know anything about dogs or raising dogs.
People have a problem with Chihuahuas because they are, in fact, one of the three dog breeds most likely to attack you:
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
But hey, that’s just SCIENCE! WOOTIE WOO!!
Throwing a temper tantrum doesn’t help your cause. Responsible fighting breed dog ownership is the only thing that will help you people. 😉
Haha!!! Presentation of facts and evidence is NOT “throwing a temper tantrum.” You say you want debate, but you refuse to address the arguments presented, so I’m just going to keep repeating them until you do. Every time you refuse, it makes it obvious you have no rebuttal and that you’re very desperately grasping at straws.
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
The reality of dog fighting:
https://www.facebook.com/MamaJadeNashville/posts/662650723760024
LOL! You’re a raging lunatic. But hey, you’re a pit bull owner we can’t expect anything logical from you.
Haha! K, troll. You gonna address the rational, reasoned arguments, with citations to SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES, of this “raging lunatic?” LMAO!
In the meantime. . .
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
The reality of dog fighting:
https://www.facebook.com/MamaJadeNashville/posts/662650723760024
This is getting hilarious. You’re just so scared and angry.
You really like that word “science” don’t you? Enough with the douchebaggery… Man up you college drop out. I’m the one fighting (USMC) for you to keep your dangerous dogs in your grasp, no matter how illogical it may seem.
You’re not fighting for me. I appreciate that you put your life on the line with the idea that you’re helping your country, but the fact is that current military actions by the US have massively increased terrorist recruitment.
Anyway, you being trained as a mindless grunt is part of why you don’t understand science. When you’re done, and you’ve collected some money from the government, go get an education and learn how to use your brain for more than battlefield tactics.
Classy comment for Veterans Day. Why do you hate America so much?
the Veteran wasn’t exactly being very classy himself
I’d say it’s quite classy, yes, to speak out against using our military worldwide. It is the single greatest thing you can do to show appreciation for our service members; NEVER use them. Why do you want our military members to die? Why do you hate America so much that you want terrorists to destroy it?
You see, this is logic. Try it out sometime. If you send young men to die in pointless conflict, which will only result in more terrorists targeting the US, then you WANT those men to die, and you WANT terrorists to attack the US.
Why do you like and support terrorists? Hm?
Your comment, “I’d say it’s quite classy, yes, to speak out against using our military worldwide. It is the single greatest thing you can do to show appreciation for our service members; NEVER use them, unless absolutely necessary.”
Who are you to say when to use our military? HUE HUE HUE!
Like I say earlier, you abhor authority and government. I can see you have terrorist ideas in your head. If you hate America so much, why not leave? Then you can see what the world is like outside the USA borders rather than imagining about it from your mommie’s basement.
Haha! You’re so desperate with that non-sequitur nonsense! Grow up already. Get a basic education. Learn something for once in your worthless life! Wow! OMGLMAO!
Tell us about the terrorist inside you Ben. Are you a truther Ben?
Haha, non-sequitur nonsense!
Tell us about how you can’t trust independent scientists because they are, literally, 100% bought out by whoever you disagree with. Then, go look up “paranoia.” LMAO!!!
Sorry science and reason tells us you’re ignorant. That’s facts and evidence for you! LMAO!!!
he doesn’t sound like a person full of hate to me….you are the one that sounds like a *terrorist*
Open your ears, Ben is a sociopath/pit nutter.
And there it is. Took longer than usual. But the “nutter” tag always makes an appearance.
You ungrateful little s h i t! Such big words coming from someone who lives in his mom’s basement, sipping chocolate milk out of a straw, and considers playing world of warcraft on a computer loaned to him by a recycling center full time employment. .. Lmfao.
sorry, YOU deserved that…how do you know he lives in a basement?????
Why don’t you mind your own business, capt save a hoe. Read his other comments to figure it out.
G..T..H, if you don’t live with the dude….STOP judging….but then, that IS what your kind does so well, isn’t it
Haha, yes, read them, indeed. Then you realize that Lorne’s non-sequitur ad hominem nonsense is a reflection of his own fears of ending up in his mother’s basement. He knows he’s not obtaining an education. He knows many privates leave the military to drive cabs, flip burgers, and fill other bottom positions in society. He’s terrified of the day he’ll have to visit people like me when he’s sick or injured. He’s terrified that the only “useful” thing he’ll ever do in life is make enemies for the US.
LOL! So pathetic!
you are a disgrace to the uniform
YOU are a disgrace to humanity.
the only reason I always come back and see whats up around you is….there is ALWAYS someone new that is giving you the *what for* with your hate nature….and I’ve also realized that the *haters* are usually the same o same o haters…….
My spirit is a good one Gab…..and THAT is what matters to me…….I’m sorry that I have to be that way to a soldier, but then maybe he is one that really doesn’t deserve to wear that uniform…just about like the cops, there are wonderful ones that deserve respect….then there are those that don’t
Your comment, “My spirit is a good one Gab.”
Keep telling yourself that while you pimp out fighting breed dogs.
Your comment, “I’m sorry that I have to be that way to a soldier”
You “have to” be that way to a soldier? Get real.
Your comment, “he is one that really doesn’t deserve to wear that uniform”
Day after Veterans Day, you just can’t help yourself do you. Pit bull advocacy is all about lies, half-truths, and pimping out fighting breed dogs. You have no clue about the word “respect”.
listen you big B…you don’t just get respect, you EARN it….and I don’t care if someone goes and fights for freedom, when they talk like they are an idiot, they will be treated as such….
Go *talk* with your lawyer…you probably do *that* best…was that you, or was that the *other* you ????? I don’t know, I get SO confused
Your comment, “you don’t just get respect, you EARN it….and I don’t care if someone goes and fights for freedom”
You promote fighting breed dogs! I have absolutely no respect for people like yourself.
Enjoy your life of ignorance.
Haha! There you go again with “Enjoy your life of ignorance.”
Ignorance: “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
It actually means that you LACK knowledge. For instance, you LACK knowledge about pit bulls. You have zero knowledge about them. All you have are irrational emotions.
Knowledge comes from things like science!
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
“…lies…” Hahaha!!! Science doesn’t lie. You only have to understand it.
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
No, it is the ignorant, unable to understand simple science, who are the disgraces to humanity. That would be YOU gabriel, as demonstrated by the science (a.k.a. knowledge, truth, facts, reality) you choose to ignore:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Hahaha!!! You’re so desperate to come up with anything at all to put me down.
Maybe if you weren’t too daft to understand basic science, you wouldn’t be so terrified of knowledge.
My closet in the house I just bought is bigger than the basement you sleep in… lol!
No, those appear to be a little bigger than twice the size of my bedroom closest (my living room closest is as big). Of course, I’m a straight man, so I barely even use half of what I already have.
What a big problem in today’s society, people buying far outside their capacities! People buying far more than they need with money they don’t have! It’s getting really ridiculous. And here, we see someone actually showing off their bad economic decisions! LOL!
What non-sequitur nonsense!
Do you even know what or how to use the term “non sequitur”? Apparently you dont by the way you used it… It was in reference to your accusations towards me about what “little” money I have from the govt. So you look like a fool when you use terminology you don’t fully understand. P.s.: I own a business which profits far exceed your life earnings as a pretentious mentalist thinking he knows better than anyone else. Here’s some advice: go buy all the lions, venomous snakes, rhinos, and hyenas you can and tell everyone that they’re not dangerous because they’re not animals; only individuals who don’t attack.
Hahaha! Apparently YOU don’t understand what it means. It means “does not follow.”
For instance, “go buy all the lions, blah blah blah…” is complete nonsense you just made up. It doesn’t logically follow from anything that has been said. Therefor, it is a non-sequitur.
You own a business? That’s a cute lie. If you did, you’d share which business, so we could affirm whether or not it is as successful as you claim. LMAO!
And talk about using words you don’t know! “pretentious mentalist” LMAO! If you do actually mean that, it says a lot about your incredible ignorance. Nobody’s making a show of anything but basic logic and science. If basic logic and science seems, to you, like an attempt to impress, then you really don’t understand basic logic and science at all. Hahaha!!!
Hmmm.
So desperate, all you can do is show off bad economic decisions. Without any significant skills or knowledge, you’d never be able to keep a house like that. Have fun with those mortgage payments! LOL!
Enjoy your mom’s basement. 😉
Another hmmm. I guess that little scrap money I get from the govt will have to do for this little dump… lol.
Hahaha! More non-sequitur nonsense. Your just so ridiculously desperate to come up with anything at all.
Good luck paying for that when your vet benefits run out! Hahaha! Nice job looking ahead on that one! You should have done yourself a favor and bought something that will make you money in the long run, like an education! OMGLOL!!!
1. How do you know he’s not active duty?
2. vet benefits don’t “run out”.
3. you own a pug ’cause your mommie won’t let you get a pit bull. She’s smarter than you. Learn from your parents dude.
1. Irrelevant. He will someday not be.
2. Yes, you don’t get paid full soldier pay forever, silly. Some don’t run out, like getting to use the VA (like that’s even a privilege; the VA is so worthless!).
3. My mom doesn’t care what dog I have, silly. Your desperate attempts to grasp at straws are so sad. LOL!
Anyway, you should take your own advice and learn from people smarter than you. It’s really silly that someone without even a basic education is arguing science with a bachelor of science. Talk about ignorant! You’re not just arguing with me; you’re arguing with the PhDs and MDs who agree with me, having based their worldview on facts and evidence, obtained from SCIENCE! LMAO!
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Again, vet benefits don’t “run out”. VA helps many people who’ve served this country. While it’s not perfect, it’s a valuable resource for many people. But I’d expect that type of comment from you as you don’t even like America. I have read nothing form you that shows you have anything except possible a HS diploma.
I wish you’d move to Afghanistan this way you don’t have to deal with Americans and your life would be more at peace with people like yourself, terrorists. Just think you wouldn’t have to deal with the local police you hate so much. 😉
Again, yes, many do. I know plenty of vets that can attest to this.
“I have read nothing from you that shows you have anything except a HS diploma.” That really means a lot coming from someone without a high school diploma. LMAO!
Here, if all it takes is a high school diploma to understand and critique science, by all means, rebut what I’ve posted:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
C’mon, now. If I only have a high school diploma, then this science must be flawed. Explain how, please. Immediately, or you’re just admitting that you’re uneducated.
LOL! All you’ve shown is your ignorance of pit bull dogs, that you’ve taken a course in statistics and some course about the failure rate of electronics.
At best, you’re a QC flunkie.
Haha! Yeah, sure! “ignorance of pit bull dogs (sic)” OMGLMAO!!! You have presented no facts or evidence whatsoever. You clearly don’t know what “ignorance” means, because you keep using it, despite the fact that you have no knowledge to support your side.
Anyway, yes, I’ve taken a couple courses in statistics. I’ve never taken one having to do with the failure rate of electronics. Why take a course in something you can look up in about 15 seconds? LMAO!!! Says a lot about what sort of courses you’d take!
I’ve also taken courses in biological sciences, such as general genetics, general ecology, and cell structure and function as a freshman and sophomore. More recently, I’ve taken systems neuroscience and neuropharmacology. I’ve also taken general physics series and all the chemistry for a minor (including acing organic chemistry). LMAO!
And what sort of classes have you taken? None?! Imagine that! And here, I thought you couldn’t rebut the science because you were just lazy (no, I actually thought you couldn’t rebut it because you don’t understand it; I’m just messing with you). LOL!!!
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Pit bulls killed more people than all other breeds COMBINED year after year. It doesn’t take a scientist to know there’s something wrong with pit bull dogs.
Even if that were true, you’re talking about 30-ish deaths.
Since you don’t understand math, let me walk you through it:
30 / 5,000,000 (the minimum number of pit bulls in the US) = 0.000006. Times 100, that’s 0.0006%, for the pit bull murder rate. Of course, I used the highest death toll and the lowest population, so that’s the maximum proportion possible.
Of course, there’s the science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Since you haven’t read those articles (because they scare you so much), you should know that one is an examination of dog-bite related FATALITIES! They looked at human DEATHS caused by dogs. Did they find that dog breed was significant? Nope.
Here, here’s an article from Scientific American that explains significance, in layman’s terms, explains how it is found, and explains error (both when significance is discovered, but there isn’t any, and when there is no significance found, but there actually is significance).
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/absolutely-maybe/2013/11/11/statistical-significance-and-its-part-in-science-downfalls/
It shouldn’t be too hard, from there, to point out the error in the AMVA article. Do it, already! LMAO!
Fyi: vet benefits don’t run out. They’re with you until you die. Do your homework Mr. Non sequitur. Lol and your illegitimate use of the English language.
Do MY homework? I already have. Have you?
https://www.vba.va.gov/pubs/forms/VBA-21-0501-ARE.pdf
LMAO!!!! So ignorant, even about your own benefits! I mean, c’mon; there’s a column there specifically for “time limit.” OMGLMAO!!!!
Your comment, “In the meantime, I might just obtain an MD or PhD. That seems like a good use of my double major in biological sciences and psychology, with minor in chemistry, and concentration in cognitive neuroscience! LMFAO!!!”
You don’t even believe in breed specific behaviors of working breed dogs. HUE HUE HUE!
I don’t believe what science doesn’t show. In fact, I don’t “believe” anything when it comes to science. Science isn’t about belief. It’s not a religion. LMAO! Some people are just so ignorant about science and knowledge, it’s incredible!
Science doesn’t show that pit bulls are naturally violent.
P.S: I make battlefield tactics in real time whilst you can only imitate them sitting on your lazy a s s playing battlefield 4. Joke’s on you, day dreamer. Sincerely, productive member of society.
Haha! You have to actually be productive to be a productive member of society! Killing innocent people overseas, creating enemies for the US, is NOT productive, silly. (and yes, this is what you’re doing; terrorist recruiters have made it very clear that US military actions make their jobs infinitely easier).
Now, get back to me when you have a degree and a real job.
I don’t play Battlefield! I don’t play first person shooters at all. LMAO!
You should move to Iraq! HUE HUE HUE
Haha! Okay, I’ll just do that. OMGLMAO! You’re incredible. It makes it even better that you laugh at your own daftness after every non-sequitur barf you decide to share with us. It’s just too much. You’re quite the buttmonkey. It’s really hilarious when ignorant trolls get this desperate for attention.
Don’t worry about Ben. He’s just a disenfranchised little boy who abhors authority.
Probably explains his fascination with pit bull dogs.
“disenfranchised” Haha! Wow! “I do not think it means what you think it means.” LMAO!!! If you don’t know big words, you might want to avoid them! Hahaha!!!
And stop saying “pit bull DOGS.” Like I already explained to you, silly child, it makes you sound incredibly ignorant. Or not. If you want to sound like a total fool, that’s your call.
“abhors authority” Nice non-sequitur there!!! Hahahaha!!!!
“. . .explains his fascination with pit bull dogs (sic).” More non-sequitur nonsense! Hahaha!!!! I’m not fascinated with pit bulls. Dogs aren’t that interesting, silly. There’s far more amazing animals to be fascinated by, like cephalopods. They’re incredible! Once again, I’m pretty sure you’re using a big word, despite not actually knowing its definition. You know, it’s really easy to look words up before adding a comment, right?
Of course, you don’t know anything about science, so you wouldn’t understand why dogs are boring and cephalopods are interesting, just like you don’t understand why pit bulls are not significantly more violent than any other dog breeds (I mean “significantly” in a scientific sense, so you should probably learn what that means before trying to respond, unless you want to look even more ignorant).
Animals, adversity, asbestos & taking the heat
NOVEMBER 10, 2014 BY MERRITT CLIFTON
Dust & smoke
Compared to the asbestos industry, pit bull advocacy is all dust and smoke. The flak the pit bull advocates throw at ANIMALS 24-7 is hot air beside the fury of 1,000 miners who have just been told that they have been laid off because of a media report about a danger that they don’t realize is killing them too.
This has nothing to do with anything.
You’re really confused about what constitutes science, huh? If you’d go get educated, it wouldn’t be so baffling. You wouldn’t be so frustrated that you launch into nonsense replies like this one.
Calm down, take a deep breath, and read some non-fiction for once.
Here, you can start with this:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Your fighting because YOU choose to….do you really think in that bloated head of yours that these dogs WANT to be hated like this, do you think they WANT to be made into killers, do you think they WANT to die..just because of being a certain *breed or type*
I respect that you fight for our freedom….I no not respect the ego though
You are not fighting for him to keep his dangerous dogs in grasp. You are fighting for your country thats your own choice just like mine (RANGER) and pitbull is not a dangerous dog. ITs the owner.
you called her correctly….she’s probably on here *many* times..:)…she’s a well known nut case
Paranoia much?
Can you point out the part of Ben’s post that makes him a “lunatic”? Is it the citing of sources? Or the rational discourse?
How exactly was that a temper tantrum?
and if they do you keep your face unlike a Pibble attack
Yeah, they often bite hands, and they are weak dogs. But infection can still do quite a number on an individual. You wouldn’t believe how long people will let a wound rot before they think “hm, maybe I should see a doctor.”
Now, there are plenty of large dogs, like huskies or german shepherds (the latter especially being a major target for BSL), that’ll totally take your face off. All strong dogs are dangerous. You just have to respect that. Just like we respect the fact that cars are dangerous.
Yeah… band aids vs. bodybag… you do the math…
You do the math. No significant “bodybags” coming from pit bulls. You could as easily say the same for huskies, german shepherds, and even retrievers.
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
You labeled yourself as “pitbull victim” so you’re clearly coming at this from an incredibly biased point of view.
I have to agree with someone else ” band aides versus bodybags”
Chihuahuas also happen to be the most likely to get punted like a football 3 houses down. you can’t just laugh off a pit-bull, in fact unless your a fairly muscular woman, or a man your not doing much of anything to a pit-bull. The dog is the one with the power in that situation.
Haha, oh I can laugh off a pitbull. Many aren’t very big at all. And if they tried to attack me, a good kick to the face is all it would take to stop ’em.
In the meantime, a pack of chihuahuas actually mauled a grown man. I mean, I knew that they could rip up a toddler’s face pretty badly, but it’s pretty crazy to think that if you get enough of them, they can do the same to an adult.
Its a different experience being attacked by Chihuahua than a pit bull.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5213/5525153798_6e787cf777.jpg
https://b529d0670fe0920dec93-6021a50aadf53980bf2f38c8d629789c.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/5507f7d0-8b55-41ff-8554-309ae1093cdf_profile.jpg
Which is which, I wonder? Science, indeed.
Science means not picking and choosing. You picked a brutal pit bull attack and a mild chihuahua attack. If you’re going to compare things, at least make an honest comparison. Chihuahuas have, in fact, mauled people. And pit bulls have, in fact, bit people very mildly by accident.
Dog breed is not a significant factor in DBRFs, as shown by science. https://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dogbites/dog-bite-related-fatalities/
Attack/bite are two words that I could deal with. Maul/dismember/kill/amputate/disfigure are words that are associated with a Pit Bull incident.
That’s an amazingly sweeping and nonsensical comment.
I want my dogs to eat your small dogs
Your comment, “I want my dogs to eat your small dogs”
You meant your pit bull dog.
Then you won’t mind if I put a bullet in yours to show you what happens when you allow your pit dog to attack other dogs?
Now just keep your pit bull confined and safe so someone like me doesn’t feel the need to save his dog. 😉
It’s the only way they can compare and downplay the aggression of pitbulls. I told them what others told them, “band aids versus bodybags” lol. I agree with you about the “no respect”. I had to shoot my neighbors pitbull that wandered into my kitchen. Tried to attack my German Shepherd and toy terrier. Good thing I was open carry that day!
Pit bull goes berserk and you end up having to shoot it. Then the owner wonders why you had to shoot his pit dog. I’ve heard of that happening before.
I have not had to shoot a pit bull yet but my pit bull neighbors eventually moved away. Had they not, I would probably be in the same position.
It sounds like you had a bad experience with a pitbull owner but to say that all pitbull owners have no respect for their neighbors and that we all hate small dogs is small minded. Not every pitbull owner is irresponsible. My pits are very well trained and behaved, are around children, cats and other dogs daily. Ban the bad owners not the breed.
I own a Pit Bull and a Toy-sized Yorkie. I love them both equally. And yes Chihuahuas bite all the time… but I still love them
Hoax spread by media gave lying owner of pitbull owner with history of aggression 9 thousand dollars so far.. https://sruv-pitbulls.blogspot.com/2015/05/debacle-at-hazel-park-part-2.html
Sorry, your irrational fear is not my problem. Ever consider that not everything is about you?
It is a perfect comparison. BSL is blaming a group of dogs, based simply on their appearance, for the actions of individual dogs. It is not effective and it uses up resources that are already scarce to begin with. You are right that comparing pit bulls to the dogs you mention is not a valid comparison. Comparing them to any other large breed of dog however is a very valid comparison. Pro BSL advocates push the idea that a hold and shake bite style is unique to pit bulls, but anyone who has spent any time around dogs should know that is not true. My mothers Yorkie does it. The fact is all dogs do it and a pit bulls jaws are exactly the same as any other dog. They don’t lock and pit bulls don’t even have the strongest bite force. “When I see someone with one, I immediately know that person has no consideration for their neighbors.” Are you really that detached from reality? Have you ever even spent any time around a pit bull? I already know the answer is no. If you had you would realize how stupid that comment is
You are retarded. My neighbors love my pit and my pit loves my neighbors. Nobody ever talks about the golden retrievers who jumped a fence and killed an infant. Nobody ever considers that pit bulls test higher than in other breed in toleranc. Or the fact that for several generations pit bulls were considered a nanny breed because they are gentle and good at taking care of children. It only the fact that because dog fighting was at One point legal and because of their abilities they were one choice for fighting dogs does not mean thats what they were bred for. Look at the hostory of pit bulls before ignorant statements are made about consideration for peoples neighbors. Pit bulls were bred as hunting dogs. To hunt wild boar because of their ability to hold. And yes the comparison of breed bans and racism is accurafe because my pit is my kid and anybody who says or thinks different is wrong. When my cat had kittens and neglected the kittens it was my pit who layed with them and cleaned them. Good dog owners will have good dogs. The ban should be on the owners not the dog. Plus the steriotypical pit is imbred and psychologically handicapped. Maybecthe ban should apply to more specifically goddy line breeds. Not pure bred american pits. Bad dog owners will still own bad dogs. Regaurdless of breed. I say lift the ban and let bad owners be penalized rather than good dogs being punished just because of their breeds.
Actually it is not a stupid comparison. What is stupid is to even consider the ban in the first place, because the ban is what perpetuates the problem. The problem being people abusing the dogs and breeding them specifically for fighting. That will never stop with bans. The ban is causing shelters to be the only ones who can house the dogs and the dogs goign to the shelters are often the ones mistreated. Did you know a large portion of pit bull attacks that fuel the stats against pits happen in the shelters. Too bad most people are too ignorant and stupid to understand stats.
The only thing that will stop with the ban is good people from raising the dogs. You have been led to believe Pit Bulls are much more aggressive than they are by media. I hate to even bring this up but people need perspective. More children die by their family members backing over them in the driveway every year than by dog attacks.
Moron
Nice reply. Informative, well thought out…. lol. I’m surprised you can even spell moron
The difference between dog breeds and human races is one of magnitude, not of substance. They both represent genetic variation within a single species. The variations between dog breeds happen to be greater than the variations between human races, but they are functionally the same thing and the mechanism for those variations (natural and artificial selection) is the same. Implying otherwise displays a lack of knowledge about evolution and genetics.
This argument collapses quickly anyway, because Pit Bulls were not bred to attack humans. So invoking breeding as an argument against having them as pets to protect against attacks on humans is off the mark. Indeed, being friendly and docile toward humans is a preferred trait of those who bred these dogs to fight (other dogs). This is obviously to protect the handlers.
Furthermore, just as not all hunting dogs take to hunting, and not all Border Collies take to herding livestock… The traits an animal is bred for are not the only factor in their behavior, nor do they lock an animal into such behavior. Some dogs bred for hunting traits are great hunters, some refuse to hunt. Which gets back to the main problem a lot of people have with BSL and laws like it (for animals or humans)… it is indiscriminate. It punishes an entire group, when the problems may be with a small percentage of that group. It is an unjust, unsophisticated way of addressing a perceived problem.
Dave, you make some valid points. Surprisingly, there is much more genetic variation between any two given people than there is between a Chihuahua and a Great Dane. It is only the expression of those genes, their physical characteristics, that vary so widely. I think the problem is that, although not all dogs belonging to this type will bite you, when they do it is almost unfailingly a sustained attack with severe damage. Lab bites are common too, but almost always a bite and release, a warning. Unfortunately I have witnessed three such attacks from pitbull types, one of which was on a small child. There was never any escalation of the dog’s aggression, just sudden and relentless and indescribable violence. I can’t offer you empirical evidence but these types of dogs were most certainly bred to be ferocious. I don’t think it’s a big leap in the mind of a canine between another dog and a small child. The bottom line is, these dogs, if they do attack, are vastly more effective at maiming and killing than any of the other common breeds and, as such, are to be treated with more caution. The residents of Aurora should have a say in the matter of their personal safety, and they have spoken. I would never support cruelty to an animal but I believe I have the right to play with my son in my front yard without worrying if my next door neighbor remembered to close her gate before she lets out her two pitbulls. If that means the local shelter will humanely euthanize stray pits, I think it’s a heavy price, but a necessary one. You really can’t appreciate the sheer terror until it happens to you. There is simply no way to prepare for it. Prevention is the only option.
well said.
I really hate when people say that an attack was unprovoked or that the child/person/dog did nothing to start the attack. There is always a trigger and a warning, just because it may be small and someone missed it, does not mean it wasn’t there. I do not say that some pits should be humanely pts because of aggression, but I am saying that the millions that have been killed because of misinformation, hatred, and discrimination should not have been killed. Every dog can and will bite. It is because of the size of pitbulls that there is more damage or death. It is the same with GS, Rotts, Dobermans, etc. What the difference is with pitbulls is the fact that the media sells blood and people take what they say as gospel. With the internet, we now hear and see more and more stories about these incidents, where with the other breeds I mentioned, all the “trouble” with them was before or just as the internet got going. Famous people are being arrested and charged for dog fighting. Dogs do not go out and teach themselves to fight so that their owners can make some money, they don’t fight in order to stop a beating from happening or worse. PEOPLE do these things. BSL is just another form of punishment these dogs and their families have to deal with every day and it is wrong. Prevention is the option, but killing is not a prevention. You want prevention, go read about what to do and not to do when meeting a new dog. Go read about the warning signs of when a dog has had enough of a child screaming or hitting them. Go read how a child should be watched at all times by their parent instead of letting them wander into a dogs territory or go running up because they want to hug the dog. Education is the ONLY option for prevention, not killing.
I am not surprised that your counter argument includes the erroneous assumption that the child must have been screaming or hitting the dog, and that the child must have been unsupervised. It is a popular comment whenever another news story pops up about a child being hurt or killed by a dog. I was there, outside a residence, as were two other adults, an off duty law enforcement officer and a retired US soldier. We were all between 1-3 feet from the child, facing the child. We never even saw the dog coming. It launched itself between us and onto the child. What do you imagine could have been the trigger for this particular pit? Did he suspect we were plotting against him from across the street? How do you suppose education might have prevented this? The dog in question, by the way, had “never shown an ounce of aggression before” and had been “raised with love from a puppy.” The owner, a neighbor, was bewildered and upset with concern for the child. Education on this subject would certainly benefit you, however. Perhaps you could join a group for survivors of dog attacks. I assure you, you won’t have to look far as there are many. And when you feel you’ve heard enough stories about people missing their hand or arm or leg, or, the worst of all, missing their child, ask them what kind of dog did it and what they did to deserve their pain. I’ll tell you the answer ahead of time to spare you the shock; more than half will tell you it was a pitbull-type dog and nearly all will tell you they never saw it coming. These dogs have ripped children from their caregiver’s arms. Some have tried to lay on top of their children, sacrificing their own flesh to save their baby, only to have the dog or dogs rip the child out from under them. When it’s over, usually after a few gun shots from the police, what is left hardly resembles a child anymore. Look up the woman who had to bite off a pitbull’s ear after every other attempt to remove it’s jaws from her child’s skull had failed. Talk to any trauma surgeon about dog attacks. Then, when you’ve done all that, tell me if your priority is still the rights of these dogs and their owners.
Vicious dog owners were higher in sensation seeking and primary psychopathy. Study results suggest that vicious dog ownership may be a simple marker of broader social deviance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19302402
Pit bulls don’t really need provocation, only a trigger. The behavior is internally motivated and internally rewarded. This is why it’s so difficult to get a pit bull to stop an attack once it’s started. After it experiences its breed specific behaviors it will look for reasons to express the behaviors.
Nonsense. Instead of making stuff up, try science.
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
The reality of dog fighting:
https://www.facebook.com/MamaJadeNashville/posts/662650723760024
Ben, I believe you suffer from some type of sociopathy. Please get help as you only make yourself look foolish.
I tried to have an intelligent discussion with you but you meet me with false claims of science, little knowledge of dogs, and a lot of racism. You’ve only proven yourself a raging lunatic when put under pressure.
There’s only one type of “sociopathy.” Sociopathy and psychopathy are the same thing: Antisocial personality disorder. You might not want to try to psychologically assess someone with a degree in psychology (and biology, with a minor in chemistry and a concentration in cognitive neuroscience). It’s particularly bad when you clearly don’t even have a high school diploma yourself.
“false claims of science” You outright reject science, then? Thought so.
“little knowledge of dogs” You know what tells us about dogs? Science. But you don’t do science. Anyway, please substantiate this, as I have shown a far greater knowledge of dogs than you.
“a lot of racism” Haha!!! You’re really going to need to learn about analogies. Get enrolled in some sort of grade school equivalent education, so you can learn the basics of communication. Tell them the first thing you want to learn about is “Analogies.” They’ll know what you mean.
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
YOU: Sociopaths tend to be nervous and easily agitated. They are volatile and prone to emotional outbursts, including fits of rage.
NOT YOU: Psychopaths, on the other hand, are unable to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy with others, although they often have disarming or even charming personalities.
Did you look that up in a dictionary? You should use real, psychology sources. They’re the same thing: Antisocial Personality Disorder (according to both the older DSM IV and the freshly released DSM V). When you went and googled “sociopathy,” did you just ignore the wiki result TITLED “Antisocial Personality Disorder”? LOL! You’re too much!
Like I said, without even a high school diploma, your attempts to psychologically assess me (majors: psychology and biological science, minor: chemistry, concentration: cognitive neuroscience) come across as very childish. LOL! It’s cute, though.
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
If you were scientifically literate, you’d read the discussions of the articles and look for error. Since you’re not, you can’t do that.
I think Gabriel is spot on! You live in a fantasy world just like the video games you play. .. that’s why you’re good at them and not reality. Btw, hope your parents enjoy paying off your student loans when you don’t have a job after college. Lmfao!
Hahaha!!! You’re just so desperate! The science is scaring you so badly.
HAHAHAHA are you serious?! Did you not take American History class? Oh my god, can you please go through 5th grade first before you post about how humans were not BRED TO BE SERVANTS? Did you miss out on the slavery portion of every single history class in school? LOLOLOLOLOL OMG GGGGGG HAHAAHAHAH I can’t believe you’re calling people stupid when you’ve have this huge hole in your education knowledge of human history hahahahaah no wonder people voted to kill a bunch of dogs if our nation is filled with people like you hahahahahaahahahahahaahahahah I was so sad to hear of the law being passed and now all I can do is laugh.
Your comment, “I was so sad to hear of the law being passed and now all I can do is laugh.”
Because you’re a raging lunatic.
DOG KNOWLEDGE TRY HUMAN KNOWLEDGE WOW
Correct. I have collies that have never seen a sheep in their lives and just a few weeks ago they herded a group of sheep like a pro at trials…. no training. Pits kill. That is what they are for, and very happy with smiles and wags to do so. That’s what they did when trying to rip me and my mom apart for no reason.
oh I am sure there was a reason, you just choose to say there was none to save face. ALL animals can kill. Pits are not here for killing, people train them to kill other animals. No, not every pit is calm and happy, some do suffer from aggression, whether this is a type of mental issue or not, who knows, but you are judging them and killing them by staying uneducated. It is too bad that they tried to “rip you and your mom apart”, but again, there was a trigger. You are condemning them all due to the incident you had, and that is like saying I should hate all people who have blond hair and they should be banned. Go read up on ALL sites you can find about the breed, not just what the media says, not just what the haters and lovers say…Go meet a pitbull and get over your fear of the unknown instead of trying to get more of them ripped from their families and killed for no reason. Blame the one not the all.
Already
this year (2015) over 200 people have been sent to the hospital for
serious wounds inflicted by pit bulls (more than one person every single
day), and 10 people have been killed (about one person every 17 days). PS, was attacked yesterday by your beloved breed while walking my dog. I am finished with the breed forever and hope they are banned.
Brilliant
Listen to what you just said, they were bred into what traits were wanted and tried to breed out what they didn’t like. Sounds EXACTLY like slavery to me. They bred the men to be stronger hence why black men seem to be more strong in most cases. Also why they have better speed and maybe some athletic skills?? I’m just saying. Sounds a lot like one in the same to me.
Jesus. flippin. christ! ~head-desk~ ‘Murika!
I sure hope you’re pretty!
OMG wtf is this crazy person saying. Are the dogs all slaves? Is she part of the Army of the 12 Monkeys?
https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/
It is not “incredibly stupid” It’s like banning black people because most of the violent crime is commited by black people. That would be incredibly stupid! Dogs deserve to be judged not by their breed but by their individual behavior.
Agree completely Bob K.
I don’t mean to be rude but to call his comment “incredibly stupid” saddens me. You are correct dogs are bred for a purpose in a lot of cases. But hunters use retrievers to retrieve their ducks and then take them home and they crawl in bed with their children to cuddle at night. Chihuahuas were bred to live under the sleeves and protect royalty as they shook hands with potential enemies and they would then also cuddle later where their was no fear of enemies, have you ever been bitten by one of those feisty little buggars? You mention Great Pyrenees, I share a home with one, yes, he’s an awesome guard dog of which I did not seek but I work with a rescue and he was so severely damaged by irresponsible humans I chose to commit to him for a live time and not allow him to be adopted. He snuggles with my husband, children and I and loves his 4 legged and 2 legged siblings. German Shepherds are trained to kill on command yet they fetch Frisbees on the beach where we live and socialize with all sorts of humans and dogs. You see it’s not just the breed, yes the breed is capable of doing what some breeder train them to do, in the case of Pitbulls, fight, but that’s not the majority. And those that don’t understand this may have themselves been victims of horrible incidents with a particular breed. I was attacked as a child by a collie, yes, Lassie and to this day I don’t trust them, based on my only experience with the breed. Pitbulls are the most abused dog I know of, they are considered “living yard art” were I live in many of the neighborhoods, they live chained 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. There are no laws to speak of that protect them. Their are no laws to speak of to prevent ignorant, insensitive humans from breeding them, fighting them, chaining them and using them as living “alarm systems.” I do not lack critical thinking skills nor basic dog knowledge and I understand the fear associated with Pitbull breeds as I too watch the news and read the articles. A pitbull was recently abandoned chained in a backyard and starved to death in my town and another we found with acid type burn marks from his head to his tail done at the hands of a group of young middle schoolers as a gang initiation. I understand the damage a strong breed of dog can do to a human or another animal. But what I do not and will not ever understand is why we as “intelligent” beings can’t criminalize those who abuse this breed and the many other animals that are forced to endure pain and suffering everyday at the hands of humans. We bury our heads in the sand and refuse to look at the real problem, HUMANS, because we feel helpless, we don’t even speak about the abuses that occur too loudly for fear we will be deemed, how did you put it, “incredibly stupid.” Instead lets ban the breed, while we’re at it can we ban reproduction of generationally ignorant humans as well? Oh that’s right, these issues have nothing in common.
Your comment, “German Shepherds are trained to kill on command yet they fetch Frisbees on the beach where we live and socialize with all sorts of humans and dogs.”
HUE HUE HUE!!!!!
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726%20
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
What science!!!
Dear lord Karen. You are one stupid individual. I hope you never reproduce. And if you already have, tell your kids I said I’m sorry.
Just from your icon, I can tell you are all for killing defenseless, innocent animals. People like you absolutely disgust me! You believe everything that the media tells you, you follow along thinking you know lots and lots yet are so uneducated, that you don’t even realize that you and others like you have a big problem. What Brad is saying is that BSL has nothing to do with dog bites, it has to do with a type of racism. Just as the blacks of the world face racism, so do breeds of dogs that people have no knowledge on. There was nothing stupid about his comment, and as for lacking critical thinking skills, I wouldn’t be throwing stones Karen
And pit bulls were once bred for hunting before being abused by humans. You will never eliminate the pit bull breed just as you will never take guns out of the hands of criminals. Actually, the sentiments involved with banning one version of a species over another is very similar to racism. Where were you educated anyway? The Aurora Pit Bull haters club?
Really? Are we really gonna compare pitbull dogs to black humans now?
What does this even have to do with race?
Exactly, Mellissa. You are so right. Some people show their ignorance way to much. Makes no sense. If they would read the stats first, at dogsbite.org, then they might be surprised.
Not surprised (since this is a anti-pit website). The CDC (yes, they are the feds’ responsible organization for dog bites), is very aggressive in their message that human behavior, not breed, is the cause of dog attacks.
Let’s take some personal accountability instead of the cowardly finger pointing (saying it’s the breed, not the human).
The REAL Dog Bite Statistics Plus Media, Myths & Colleen Lynn EXPOSED
https://bslnews.org/2012/01/24/the-real-dog-bite-statistics-plus-media-myths-colleen-lynn-exposed/
https://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/merrit-cliffton/
Brad poor Millissa is the 20 watt bulb in a 60 watt box. You have to use crayons and pictures or she cant follow. Yes you make a very valid point it is the same thing.
Mr. simpleton, wannabe writer. You think you have the literary jewel of all jewels, namely: a “20 watt bulb in a 60 watt box.” Karen below called the underlying comment at issue “incredibly stupid.” Here’s my jewel: “Ditto, to ‘incredibly stupid'” and I want to apply it to Mike Okey, simpleton. You white Okey? or just a racist? Okey.
I don’t think this makes any sense. This is not even close to anything to do with racism. Blacks do not go around killing people or animals because of being bred to do so. Stick with the issue and you will sound a lot less ignorant.
It is exactly racism. BSL is antiquated, archaic and prejudice just as racism is. It would be extremely ignorant to say that black people are more prone to raping women, killing others, black people are more prone to living in poverty, and black people cause higher crime rates. That would be racist and ignorant of me to say, right?
So to say that “pit bull” mixes are more prone to bite, to be aggressive, to “turn on their owners” and to cause human death sounds just as ignorant as the statement above, which is exactly what Brad is saying. When a chihuahua or a yorkie bites someone they don’t typically require stitches or medical attention but are just as vicious and aggressive, if not more! But when if a pit mix bites someone of course it will require medical attention and be reported which skews the percentages. If every single person who got a dog bite (from any type of dog regardless of the breed) went and reported it and sought medical attention, the percentages would be extremely different. Every dog, despite the breed, needs to be judged on an individual basis, not a breed as a whole. Just because one black person grew up in the ghetto, committed crimes and raped women doesn’t mean they all will, and to say the same of a dog, now that’s ignorant.
Ive had and rehabilitated pits, no problem at all. I have stitches from a lab out of nnowhere while i had food. But labs arent banned….Case by case not breed as a whole should be judged as such.
Liar!
Absolutely agree. This is so close to racism against humans.
Idiot. Change Pits to T-Rex.
Your comment, “If you changed the word “pit” to “blacks” in this discussion it would probably sound like a KKK meeting between a bunch of southern rednecks in the 60’s. It’s too bad we can’t judge each dog individually, based on the content of its character.”
From my experience the people who claim pit bull “racism” are the ones who are the most racist. No minority wants to be compared to your pit bull dog.
You realize you were supposed to learn analogies in elementary school, right?
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
The reality of dog fighting:
https://www.facebook.com/MamaJadeNashville/posts/662650723760024
For someone that blabbers on so much about “science” you rely on analogies an awful lot. Poor analogies at that.
Haha! That’s funny, because the science actually fully backs up the analogy. You’re incredibly thick! 😀 😀 😀
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
Anyway, are you about ready for some references to a tutoring program?
Your comment, “Analogy: Skin color is to racism as dog breed is to. . .”
More racism. You only prove to everyone who you truly are.
Wow, analogies really are too much for you to understand.
Let’s stick to the bare science, then. When you have a better grasp of basic English, you try and tackle those analogies, okay? Until then, I understand they can be kinda tough, so don’t feel too ashamed.
Science:
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
https://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591(08)00114-7/abstract
A very foolish and race baiting comment. Perhaps a compromise is in order. Let us work together to save humans from unpredictable jaws of Pit Bulls by enacting the law as written in the UK. Individual dogs are evaluated and given a life long pass.
https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/overview
Like the KKK and pit bull fanatics have no connection? Too funny!!!!
Oh nice. Compare a dog to a Black human. Smh.
The pit bull advocates who claim canine “racism” are usually the most racist. Sad but true. An insensitive comparison.
Racism and Pit Bull Terriers by Merritt Clifton (March 21, 2005 Best Friends Animal Society Online Forum)
From then until the early 1980s, dogfighting was almost exclusively a fundraising activity of the Klan and Klan splinter groups, along with cockfighting and pigeon shoots. As recently as the early 1930s, Klan chapters would openly advertise dogfights, cockfights, and pigeon shoots. As overt racism became less and less respectable, along with cruelty to animals, the ads became more discreet.
Breed Specific Legislation illegal in seventeen states.
BSL banned in seventeen states!
“the U.S. had a grand total of 15 dog attack fatalities:
9 by pit bulls, 2 by Dobermans, four by unidentified
mutts.” ,, you see this is were i have the problem, you see BSL targets pitbulls and assuming this statements right then, that means even if BSL works a charm what about the 6 deaths involving non pitbulls?? doesn’t anyone care about them? just because it wasn’t a pitbull that killed them they’re still dead, So these 6 dead mean nothing and it’s perfectly acceptable for there to be deaths by dog attacks so long as they’re not pitbulls?? this is the massive big hole in the logic of BSL it only protects and or prevents victims of pitbulls not any other breed it’s as if they’re saying there’s an acceptable level of deaths by dog? Any law for it to work has to breed neutral as that’s the only way to stop all the deaths BSL on;y effectively is meant to stop pitbull bites??
Breed-specific” legislation (BSL) is, essentially, canine bigotry. More specifically, the term refers to regional laws that ban or regulate certain breeds of dog in the hopes of reducing attacks on humans.
Not only is BSL unjust, it just doesn’t work. Anywhere. And the stats prove it.
Because of this, many cities (and states and countries) have repealed their antiquated BSL laws over the years, but far too many cities and municipalities (including Denver and Miami) have them intact.
Legalized discrimination, much? These laws are based on nothing more than misconceptions, misinformation and fear.
So, here are ten facts about BSL, and what you can do to take action:
1. BSL Kills.
Because of these BSL (and widespread misinformation), pit bulls have almost no chance of survival in public shelters. In many regions, they’re killed immediately upon shelter admission, with no opportunity to find a new home. Their euthanasia rate, overall, hovers around a staggering 93 percent.
2. Dog Bite Fatalities are Extremely Rare.
Between 1999 and 2006, an average of 27 Americans died each year as a result of a dog attack, according to a Journal of the American Medical Association report. Meanwhile, estimates suggest an average of 40 to 50 Americans die each year from lightning strikes.
3. There’s No Evidence That Banning Breeds has Any Impact on Dog Bites.
Period.
SURELY SOMEONE HAS HAD SUCCESS WITH BSL?
The effects of BSL on public safety are seriously understudied, especially by the scientific community.
The few scientific studies that exist have indicated that BSL has little to no effect on public safety. In some cases, as in the U.K., dog bites appear to be a growing problem in spite of BSL.
To date, there are no scientific studies anywhere that confirm BSL or breed bans have had a significant positive effect on public safety.
The reasons for this lack of data are numerous:
Some cities that pass BSL fail to collect bite data after passage of the legislation. They assume that the problem is solved, and do not look into the issue again.
Or, as with Aurora, the city changes its method of bite data collection so that it becomes difficult if not impossible to compare pre- and post-BSL dog bites.
Sometimes the city only tracks bites by “pit bulls” and not other breeds, so it is not possible to discern whether another breed is causing more problems after passage of BSL.
Often, the city does not make its dog bite data freely and easily available upon request. The reasons why are unclear. One could surmise that this may be because of improper or outdated methods of record-keeping, overburdened office workers, or embarrassment over unfavorable statistics.
Breed identification and many other issues raise questions as to the accuracy and validity of many dog bite statistics.
There is no uniform method for collecting dog bite information, nor is there a primary organization to which all dog bites are reported.
In the few cases where sufficient data has been scientifically gathered and analyzed, BSL has not been shown to reduce dog bites or improve public safety
Stereotypes are common when talking about humans. But there is a lot of discrimination that affects dog breeds as well. So much so that Breed-Specific Legislation or laws are enacted which range from making it illegal to possess certain breeds, to regulating ownership with the intention to reduce dog attacks. Technically, these dogs are thus labeled legally as “dangerous.”
According to the ASPCA though, there is little evidence to support the claim that these laws make communities safer for people or other companion animals. The organization also says that the CDC also decided not to support the BSL after following a thorough study of human fatalities resulting from dog bites.
What position do the leading animal-related organizations take on BSL? All of the following national organizations oppose BSL: American Animal Hospital Association, American Dog Owner’s Association, American Humane Association, American Kennel Club, American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, American Veterinary Medical Association, Association of Pet Dog Trainers, Best Friends Animal Society, Canadian Kennel Club, Humane Society of the United States, International Association of Canine Professionals, National Animal Control Association, National Animal Interest Alliance, and National Association of Obedience Instructors. In addition, many state and local-level veterinary medical associations and humane organizations oppose BSL. – See more at: https://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dog-legislation/breed-specific-legislation-bsl-faq/#sthash.2jYRPnMe.dpuf
you mean southern democrats?
WHat? They are dogs, not people……please educate yourself on racism and come back with an intelligent comment. (Even how about you just look up the definition?, that would be a good start)
The ignorance of some people is baffling. I guess we can’t all be logical, scientific thinkers: https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/blog/potentially-preventable-husbandry-factors-co-occur-in-most-dog-bite-related-fatalities/
Clearly we can’t!
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/2014/09/the-pit-bull-lobby/
Please tell me how that website is a credible source. Are you seriously this daft?
She is just a big bully that loves trashing Pit-bulls because her life is not fulfilling enough so she feels the need to try and bully people
Or maybe she lost a brother or a husband or a child to the jaws of a pit bull, have you thought about that? No, you never think of the losses by pits.
Probably because I have one laying right beside me that would sooner bite herself than hurt anything or anyone else, in addition to being the most loving and caring dog I’ve ever had. Probably because the amount of “losses” via “pits” is not nearly as much as you think (aka what you heard on the news) and is represented across ALL breeds. RESEARCH FOR ONCE. Just look at the insurmountable data, or just keep being lazy and ignorant, whatever.
You’re the one being lazy laying beside the biggest killer of people of all the breeds. And those infamous last words, wouldn’t hurt anything. Have you any idea how many other fools have said the same thing about their pit AFTER their child was killed?
The NCRC, a corporation not at all affiliated with the government or any scientific organization, a Gun for Hire, a corporation that accepts money to lobby for pit bulls. Not even to mention that the founder is a failed self published author with little in the way of credentials. Is that the best you can do for a ‘source’? LOL
Maybe you should read the article. The source is The Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association (with authors on staff at the NCRC, making your statement a flat-out lie).
LOL, indeed.
If you’d read the article, you’d find that the SCIENTIFIC ARTICLE was published in The Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association. You’d also find that two of the five authors of the 100% legitimate study are on staff at the NCRC, making your claim of their affiliations a flat-out lie.
This is how science and academia work. We use critical thinking to assess the information and sources, then come to the best conclusion, rather than starting with a bias and using anything possible, even lies, to support it.
When hype is removed the fact remains, professional studies have shown again and again “pit bull type” dogs are no more dangerous than any other type or breed of dog. It is sad in this day and age many people still believe in the boogie man under the bed. Overall dog bites will not decrease until onus is on ALL reckless owners and types and breeds of dogs. https://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/
Oh please, don’t quote an ad executive who owns pits, can one say biased.
Reality has shown otherwise.
Look my “vicious” pitbull and Teeka one of my rescue kittens 🙂
🙂
Wow – I always say they have such beady little demonic eyes but that is ridiculous! Is its name by any chance Satan?
You are a moron and sad excuse for a human being
Discussion is over, americans in aurora spoke LOUDLY, WE DO NOT WANT THESE MONSTERS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS!!
Simply
put, border collies do not herd sheep because they are raised on sheep farms;
rather, they are raised on sheep farms because they herd. In addition pointers
point, retrievers retrieve, and mastiffs guard, all because those traits are
part of their breed expectations, meaning strong and continuous selection in
the underlying breeding program ”
Simply put Pit bulls do not attack because they are raised with dog fighters
and drug dealers, dog fighters and drug dealers use pit bulls because they
attack!
It is their nature, their genetic truth and reality.!!
It is not how you raise them rather it is simply what they are.!!
Just like sled dogs run and pull, it is just their nature.!
A pit bull type dog is what it is and does what it is.You can no more alter it
genetic makeup then you can a collies to herd, a hounds to track, a retriever’s to
retrieve, a labs to swim, a pointers to point, a sled dog to run and pull.
They do what they are and a pit bull type dog
is a mauling violent killer that has been bred to be a land shark, nothing you
do can change that, even if you have them from birth.
No matter if you love them, or how you
nurture, train, rehabilitate, raise them optimally as normal dogs from birth,
you can not change their Genetic reality to Kill, Maul, Maim, Disfigure,
Dismember, cause Life Flights or trips to the Intensive Care Unit.
For over 600 years the current pit bull type
dog was brought into being through careful selective genetic breeding to create
the most violent murderous fighting dog possible
This is the best rebuttal made on here so far. I love it. I think pit bulls do have a predisposition to do what they were bred for, which is why it’s important to socialize them early on with humans and other dogs. And although I see your point, I promise you Bob Rtarp, they can be amazing companions.
Worse breed ever. Stubborn, difficult to train, and may rip the face off your 5 year old daughter. Great job Aurora.
Karen.
Still not sure why you haven’t come up with a rebuttal to ANY of my comments. Anywhoo, this one is for you. You’re trying to make “factual” statements about ALL pit bull owners. However, none of your comments in this entire news feed shows me that you’ve done your homework. Meaning…you’re view is completely biased because you haven’t even TRIED, put ANY effort in seeing pit bull owner’s side. You seem smart…which is why I’m surprised you’d be so one-sided.
I am a pit bull owner, but I understand the misconception people have on them. I was once terrified of pits (and any dog for that matter since I was bitten by a friendly-looking yellow lab, but ESPECIALLY pits). What people on here are missing is that in order to understand each other, we have to have common ground. The responsibility is in the hands of both parties.
Responsible non-dog owners know how to interact with any dog. Most of the time when people get bit, it’s because they don’t know this. I have a pit bull and people & their kids bombard her with reaching out their hands to pet her, “Oooo doggy!!!” Come on now. I would never do this to any dog because ANY dog could get frightened. I always say, “You need to ask the dog owner if it’s okay. And you need to make sure this dog has been socialized.” Which my pup has been with people AND other dogs (dog parks 3x/wk). THAT, my friend is what it means to be a RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNER AND NON-DOG OWNER.
I’m not sure if the scary pic of a German Shepherd below is showing, but I want to emphasize that ALL dogs are capable of mauling you.
And yet all dogs aren’t mauling on a daily basis. The dog in the picture is giving a very clear indication of his intent that can easily be read by both humans and animals alike. Most likely that photo is of a working K9 unit. They are trained as working dogs and their aggression is cued, recalled, purposely directed, and contained.
Pit bulls have had the normal signs of impending aggression and the respect of signs of submission or retreat bred out of them (for advantageous positions in the fighting ring). It is not at all unusual for a pit bull that has been friendly its whole like to suddenly “snap” and attack. They will also attack after/while wagging their tails and showing what in normal breeds are classic signs of submission. Again, traits intentionally bred into them as advantages for catching an opponent off-guard and having the upper hand. Pit nutters frequently say “there are always warning signs” – well in normal dog breeds yes, but not in pit bulls. Many canine behaviorists and experts acknowledge this trait of attacking without warning. If the dog in the picture did come after you on a sidewalk, it would likely get a couple of hard bites in and retreat – especially if there are others around that approach, yell, or kick it. Even if it attacks a pet, a swift kick to the ribs, a water hose, or even a broom will likely send the dog packing. I think most of us who’ve had dogs for any length of time have had at least one dog fight if not more and they were ended swiftly without severe injury.
Pit bulls OTOH have been bred to fight to the death, fight for hours on end, and keep fighting despite very severe injuries. Good game pits have been known to continue fighting with half of their faces and an eyeball torn off, a limb completely severed, and even their bowels spilling from their body. It isn’t uncommon for pit bulls to continue an attack on a human or pet while a crowd of people is shouting and throwing things, kicking and punching it, pulling its hind legs, while being tasered several times, while people are breaking baseball bats or 2x4s over their heads and backs, while being stabbed repeatedly, and even after being shot. Often they only release after they are dead. A woman just a couple of days ago in a news story told how a pit bull attacked her dog. She attempted to get it off and when she couldn’t, she raced to her car and retrieved a knife. She stabbed the dog multiple times to no avail. She then slit its throat but still the dog would not stop mauling her dog. Finally she gutted the pit and only after it’s intestines were on the sidewalk and it had bled out could she rescue her dog. That does NOT happen with any normal breed of dog. Those are fighting dog characteristics. These characteristics have nothing to do with someone being a responsible dog owner or responsible non-dog owner.
Countless people have been mauled and killed by their family raised pit bull that have lived for years without the slightest bit of aggression. Do you suppose Darla Napore was an irresponsible owner? Pit bull aggression is a type of aggression unique to pit bulls. Normal dogs may snap, bite, or attack because they are scared, dominant, resource guarding, spoiled, etc. (although again most give warnings and the threats escalate over time, so incidents can be prevented with a little knowledge). Pit bulls attack because they are pit bulls and they have the innate drive to do so. They aren’t necessarily “angry” or truly aggressive, even when fighting. It isn’t personal to a pit bull; it’s just “another day at the office”. There are dozens of videos on youtube and other sites with pit bulls in the throes of an all out mauling with tails wagging like crazy and pit bulls have then later passed temperament tests AFTER a severe or fatal mauling. One pit bull killed (?) and elderly woman on the street and officers lead it away on a pole, covered in blood. The news story then showed the pit bull a couple hours later at the police station with an officer who was on his knees with the “wiggle butt” wagging like crazy and robo-licking the cop’s face as the cop talked about how “sweet” he was and how they get a bad rap – THE VERY SAME PIT THAT HOURS BEFORE MAULED SOMEONE TO DEATH!
We do not need to take both sides into consideration. There is no place in civilized society for these mutants. There are over 200 other breeds of dog out there. We don’t need a breed for whose purpose is a criminal activity and does the sort of damage they do on a daily basis. You can make the argument that “any dog” can do this or “all dogs” are capable, but “any” and “all” dogs aren’t doing these things, despite bad or irresponsible owners, despite abuse and neglect, despite lack of socialization and training, despite being left in backyards, tied to trees, and allowed to run free, and despite being far more numerous than pits.
YOU HAVE NO FACTS YOU ARE BASING ALL YOUR INFORMATION ON YOUR OWN OPPINONS
Its hilarious how you are stating a pit bulls behavioral and yet you have never even owned one nor from the sounds of it have even worked with the “breed” LOL Are you in animal behavioral studies ? NO? you mean your just a nasty old women looking to bash pitbulls? Now that is a fact XD
Do you blow dry your hair in the bathtub? If not, why not? If you haven’t actually tried it, how can you make an informed opinion? Have you ever stuck a knife in a light socket? Why not? Are you an electrician? ?NO?
You’re kind of simple aren’t you! No, those are actually things that have happened and can easily by found with only a few minutes of work on your part.
Well said Karen. Very well said.
https://www.pawnation.com/2014/05/05/dog-bite-fatalities-breed-or-human-problem/
Maybe all of the incredibly uneducated people need to start thinking outside their small closed minds. This is a PEOPLE problem not a breed problem. If this was just a breed problem there would be MILLION of pit bull type dogs attacking people as there are an estimated 5-10 MILLION in the US alone. Maybe all the other millions don’t know they are “pit bulls”… ya that must be it :/
You lost. Get over it. The next time there is a vote by the citizens, you will lose again.
Awwww that’s all you got Karen because you KNOW I am right.
Amazes me that people overwhelmingly support something that has proven not to work. These people must have no problem with their tax money being used to enforce a law with no benefits.
I think that it is easier to answer No to a question that most people really do not understand.
Pit Bulls are not nanny dogs, but their not some demon dog either. Yes, some are great with children and some not so good just like every breed. If Pit Bulls were these evil human killing machines then there would not be a lot less humans left on earth. Pit Bulls have been around for centuries! So sad, but the fear of being a dumping ground is why I think it held up. Millions of happy and loving Pit Bulls and a few irresponsible owners cause this type of thing. So glad I live in a State that don’t judge by what others have done. Had a Pit Bull for a long 15 years and I have one now that I have had for almost 3. Grew up around this breed and no issues and I’m 40 now. Laying here with mine now, people who don’t really know this breed are missing out.
https://www.cesarsway.com/dogbehavior/basics/How-Did-Pit-Bulls-Get-a-Bad-Rap
You are correct.. they are not a dog for everyone. I think one of the problems is people do not realize what they are adopting or taking into their homes. They require exercise and structure.. but they certainly are a loving dog.. I also vol at a shelter where I walk mainly pit bulls and never had a problem.
Yes, exercise is a must for these energetic bundles of love. If you’re going to own any dog I recommend obedience training and socializing them throughout their lives, but especially if you want to own a Pit Bull. You need to be a great representation of this breed and help show the good of these dogs. Thank you for what work you do with them, Bob.
Mutual praise society is showing up, I see.
You mean the same Cesar that left his producer’s dog on the threadmill until it hung itself? The same Cesar that was sued for neglecting that dog? Oh sure, very credible. We don’t even have to mention that his methods have been condemned by every credible behaviorist in the world practically. Ever note the disclaimer on his show? See if you see that with Victoria Stilwell.
OFFICIAL THE WHITE HOUSE RESPONSE TO Ban and outlaw Breed Specific Legislation (BSL) in the United States of America on a Federal level!
Breed-Specific Legislation Is a Bad Idea
Thanks for your petition.
We don’t support breed-specific legislation — research shows that bans on certain types of dogs are largely ineffective and often a waste of public resources.
In 2000, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention looked at twenty years of data about dog bites and human fatalities in the United States. They found that fatal attacks represent a very small proportion of dog bite injuries to people and that it’s virtually impossible to calculate bite rates for specific breeds.
The CDC also noted that the types of people who look to exploit dogs aren’t deterred by breed regulations — when their communities establish a ban, these people just seek out new, unregulated breeds. And the simple fact is that dogs of any breed can become dangerous when they’re intentionally or unintentionally raised to be aggressive.
For all those reasons, the CDC officially recommends against breed-specific legislation — which they call inappropriate. You can read more from them here.
As an alternative to breed-specific policies, the CDC recommends a community-based approach to prevent dog bites. And ultimately, we think that’s a much more promising way to build stronger communities of pets and pet owners.
LOL, that ‘official’ response was based on the only government study done on dog bites, a report that is over 15 years old. Now if decisions were being made on 15 year old intell for fighting the wars, where would we be? The White House had no choice but to quote the only official source, and that source says plainly that pit bulls are killing more than other breeds. Also, four of the five authors of the CDC report stated prior to their involvement with the report that they were against BSL, can you say biased? Plus they gathered their information from the very same sources that NCRC, DBO, and Merritt Clifton do – the media.
“There are millions of “pit bull” dog owners across the US living quiet,
peaceful, and unremarkable lives with their family dog. These owners are not the
exception; they are the rule. “Pit bull” dogs live with and provide a service to
many of their owners and neighbors. Around the world, “pit bull” dogs are used
as therapy dogs, service dogs, police, K9s, and military dogs.
“Pit bull” dogs are increasingly popular family pets: Banfield Pet
Hospitals, the largest general veterinary practice in the world, reports that
the percentage of “pit bull” dogs visiting their U.S. network of clinics has
increased by 47 percent over the past ten years (2000 to 2010). A recent survey
by Vetstreet concluded that dogs identified as “pit bulls” are one of the most
popular family dogs in this country. ”
https://www.wivotersforcompanionanimals.com/blog/dog-bites-debunking-the-myths
Duh, how can Banfield identify a pit bull? Don’t you guys talk about how pits are misidentified all the time, even by vets? There are also millions that are killed in the shelters and why is that? Could it be that all those ‘unremarkable’ lives you speak of suddenly became remarkable, thus the shelter ends up with them.
Ill tell you why so many are killed in shelters… its because of people like YOU. You scare others into being fearful of the breed and for the people that would like to adopt one of these dogs they are either banned in their cities or they will be dropped by their home owners insurance!! This is why so many pitbulls are in the shelters….
You have it backwards. Pit bull ‘haters’, as you like to call them, don’t breed pit bulls, they don’t surrender them to shelters, they don’t abuse, they don’t fight them. All the above are done by pit bull LOVERS. The self proclaimed lovers of pits are the ones who are the enemies to the pits, they are the ones who put the pits in shelters.
Okay must be nice living in lala land.. whelp the fact is pitbulls will never be banned and I hope to never encounter a negative human being like yourself
Pit bulls are banned in hundreds of towns and cities, entire countries, in countless multifamily housing units (including privately owned condos) and HOAs, on most all major airlines, on military bases, etc. They are the most regulated dog in the world.
oh and the media cant forget the media.. when a pit bull attack hey make it hits news using the word “PITBULL ATTACK” but when its another dog that is not a pitbull they use the words “DOG ATTACK”
Oh yes, that media conspiracy to ‘get the pits’. I can only imagine all the reporters in the world coming together with one agenda, to get those pits. Get real.
Often they use “PITBULL ATTACK” when it’s another breed altogether.
What, do you imagine, has happened to the breed in the last 15 years to change things (other than human behavior).
Pits are lovers.
I guess that explains why every. single. time. I read a headline about sicko having sex with a dog, it ALWAYS involves a pit bull. Thanks for explaining that!
Karen,
You are a sicko…
Uh, I’m not the one with the most dangerous dog breed and I’m not the one having sex with pit bulls.
The poor pit bull that would have to have sex with you Karen… run like heck poor dog.
Bob You The Man. That dog would break every known speed record.
She doesn’t just hates pits, from her comment history …she hates all dogs.
Wrong – I love dogs (real one, *normal* breeds). I train and foster dogs (I have one right now) plus I compete with my personal dog. I’ve had dogs my whole life and my children grew up with dogs. I love animals in general (although not a big cat fan but it isn’t like I kick them or set them on fire) which is why I hate pit bulls.
…
Show me one comment where I’ve indicated I hate *real* dogs.
Pits are real dogs…so plenty of comments, take your pick.
No, not really. They are mutations of real dogs – mutants.
mutants aka animals with mutations. Mutations – the changing of a structure of a gene. A cleft palate is a mutation. a pitbull is a mixture dogs.
ALL OF THEM
NOPE!!!!
No, pits are killers, they prove that every day.
Please cite proof of the “#1 Narcotics Dog in the United States of America”. A few stunt pits doesn’t change what the breed is and some of those stunt pits have been responsible for attacks. Stunt pits aside, the ovewhelming majority of service dogs (real ones), cadaver dogs, and working K9 dogs are breeds suited to the task. I would also like to see where pit bulls “served” in WWI. Modeling for a poster doesn’t count as “serving”.
“World War I
America with the exception of a few sled dogs in Alaska was the only country to take part in World War I that had no service dogs within its military.” – from uswardogs. Sergeant Stubby’s claim to fame was attacking someone and not letting go, even after being commanded to do so.
The Number 1 United States Customs Dog is an American Pit Bull Terrier named Popsicle. How did he get that name? He was found during a drug bust in a freezer where he had been left to die after being used as a bait dog for dog fighters. Not soon after his rescue, Popsicle began training at the Canine Enforcement Training Center in Front Royal, VA. He then went on to work at the Pharr and Hidalgo bridges in Texas. While working at the Pharr bridge, Popsicle alerted to drugs in a tractor trailer. It turned out to be a ton and a half of cocaine with a street value of $139,605,000, the largest cocaine seizure in the McAllen area in 10 years.
Popsicle later and went to work at the Port of Roma, Tex. While working in Roma, Popsicle made 24 seizures of Marijuana: 12,080 pounds with a street value of $640,000; one cocaine seizure of 148 pounds worth $6,719,200; and two currency seizures with a total value of $65,144.
Popsicle and Rudy have done more than work hard detecting drugs, they’ve also made numerous public relations and outreach appearances. Popsicle is a dog who overcame his abusive start in life and had his chance to get back at the crooks. While working at Roma, Popsicle suffered a career ending injury to his knee – an injury that required surgery. Popsicle is now retired and is living a life of leisure at his owner’s home.
Your source please – unless you wrote that yourself.
Google. Popsicle Pit Bull
First, since you are the one that posted the claim and copied and pasted the words from someone else’s site and they aren’t you’re own, you should be citing your source without being asked. Do not do so is unethical and plagiarism. Second, I am googling and I’ve yet to find an award of “Number 1 United States Customs Dog”.
Oh here he is!
https://www.worldwidecanine.com/WallOfFame.htm
Haha – just kidding! Just the usual Malinois, GSD, and Labs!
Oddly enough, what I am finding while googling is that pit bulls and drugs seem to go hand and hand! Who’d have thunk it!
“Laws that ban particular breeds of dogs do not achieve these aims and instead create the illusion, but not the reality, of enhanced public safety. Notably, there are no statewide laws that discriminate based on dog breed, and 18 states have taken the proactive step of expressly banning laws that single out particular breeds for disparate legal treatment. Even the White House has weighed in against laws that target specific breeds. In a a statement issued in 2013, President Obama said “[w]e don’t support breed-specific legislation—research shows that bans on certain types of dogs are largely ineffective and often a waste of public resources. And the simple fact is that dogs of any breed can become dangerous when they’re intentionally or unintentionally raised to be aggressive.”
https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls
Pits and other animals. It’s cute.
Don’t forget Boom! I know how you fighting dog worshipers love that pit with the little chick on his head and the bunnies in the basket – https://cravendesires.blogspot.com/2013/04/profile-of-responsible-pit-bull-owner.html
Another reason to NEVER move to Aurora,CO!!!! You bunch of backwoods, uneducated, loosers! I hope the entire city gets Attacked by poodles!!! Ya poodles they bite too!! You’ll never know the love that a pitbull gives!
Debunking “dogsbite”
https://www.nopitbullbans.com/pages/debunking-dogsbiteorg/
You guys have set up pages, websites, trying your best to victimize victims all over again, especially DogsBite.ORG. You can’t do it, ain’t gonna happen. People aren’t that stupid unless of course, they own a pit bull, that’s the exception.
Jones, Harve aka colleen lynn does not like websites with facts and logic. Hers are full of bu.. well you know what I mean.
This is a picture of our dogs (with our daughters’ dogs). Clearly, our two “pit bull type” dogs are not dog aggressive. Our two, have lived peacefully with our Cairn Terrier/Brussels Griffon mix (for many years) and have never had a problem when our daughters bring their five dogs over to visit either. They no more fit the stereotype of “pit bull type” dogs, than we fit the stereotype of who chooses them. My husband and I are both nearly 60 years old, live in Birmingham (an affluent suburb of Detroit, in a home that we own), successfully raised three daughters while working and being involved in our community and their schools. We are responsible pet guardians whose dogs spend their time in our home unless they are playing in our fenced yard or being walked on leash.They are well behaved, spayed/neutered, up to date on their vaccinations and licensed. Our friends, family and neighbors all love our dogs and enjoy having them around. Fortunately our city has chosen to judge dogs on their behavior and not their appearance.
here is my louie in his batman costume =)
Sad to think that it has almost become so common for people to judge matters on what is seen on T.V. and not objective facts. You demonstrate the characteristics of an upright American.
This is a picture of our dogs (with our daughters’ dogs). Clearly, our two “pit bull type” dogs are not dog aggressive. Our two, have lived peacefully with our Cairn Terrier/Brussels Griffon mix (for many years) and have never had a problem when our daughters bring their five dogs over to visit either. They no more fit the stereotype of “pit bull type” dogs, than we fit the stereotype of who chooses them. My husband and I are both nearly 60 years old, live in Birmingham (an affluent suburb of Detroit, in a home that we own), successfully raised three daughters while working and being involved in our community and their schools. We are responsible pet guardians whose dogs spend their time in our home unless they are playing in our fenced yard or being walked on leash.They are well behaved, spayed/neutered, up to date on their vaccinations and licensed. Our friends, family and neighbors all love our dogs and enjoy having them around. Fortunately our city has chosen to judge dogs on their behavior and not their appearance.
nananananana BAT PUP!! I hope this puts a smile on some Pitty lovers faes =) #peace#love#pitbulls
Bat pup? Oohhhh! I get it! Clever! I like it – now you’re showing your sense of humor!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/06/mom-beat-pit-bulls-bat-daughter-attack/10055885/
https://www.jsonline.com/news/ozwash/3-pitbulls-attack-richfield-neighbor-responds-with-baseball-bats-gun-b99316635z1-268277042.html
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/pit-bull-attacks-san-jacinto-woman-prompting-bystanders-to-use-bats-195667651.html
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/2014/06/04/pit-bull-attack/9980569/
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3184370/posts
https://www.lodinews.com/news/article_62e9aa02-021f-11e4-b856-001a4bcf887a.html
https://www.12newsnow.com/story/26506865/nacogdoches-man-saves-child-woman-from-pit-bull-attack
https://patch.com/massachusetts/waltham/hero-saves-man-being-attcked-by-three-pit-bulls-in-gruesone-attack/
Bat Pup do not try humor. Karen hates humor. You won’t like Karen when she’s angry. Oh wait Karen is always angry. Never mind!!!
God, even in a costume those things look evil!
nanananana BAT PUP!! Stealing the spotlight during my dear friends Halloween party!
=)
But “every dog” isn’t killing someone every 14 days – that’s just one.
Okay “Karen”
Outstanding! Hopefully, California will follow…..#1 in pit maulings.
Not going to happen…
Pit plays with rooster.
Pit bull plays with sea lion.
This is a sweet picture too. Only problem is this pit killed this little boy who loved it.
Pit bull playing with a donkey.
Pit bull playing with a cat.
Pit bull playing with a horse.
Pit bull playing with a child.
Dozens of stories about heroic Pit Bulls.
https://bslnews.org/pit-bull-heroes-hall-of-fame/
Disgusting that you would think these fantasies of hero pits make up for the deaths of so many children.
Pit worshipers don’t give a darn about the carnage from these dogs. They have zero empathy.
PIT BULL WORSHIPER OVER HERE AND PROUD OF IT !! Its hilarious how you want to “kill all pitbulls” but we are the ones with no empathy? You two are truly some characters you should be locked in a institution
Dog bite-related fatalities are exceedingly rare. In 2010, 33 fatalities occurrd within a population of more than 308 million and a canine population estimated at over 78 million.
https://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/real-dog-bite-statistics-plus-media-myths-and-colleen-lynn-exposed
If it were your family member, you wouldn’t think of those deaths as being rare. You discount these lives as if they were nothing. How can you be so hateful?
I’ve read your posts….seems the hate is coming from you….
Just imagine the blood that would run through the streets if “pit bull type” dogs all acted the way the anti-pit crazies portray them. We’d be stepping over bodies in an effort to do everyday tasks.
If you normal non dog hating foamer’s want a real good laugh Google Debbie Bell and Colleen Lynn. You will see what real Mental Instability is like. There are screen shots of their posts that are, Well SICK. All the negative post’s on here are the same small minded little group that is always ranting “KILL EVERYTHING THAT SCARES ME”
You’ll see Good Ol Harve, Karen, David, and the rest of the cult.
I my self no longer feed the Trolls due to their lack of any rational thought process.
If I were a resident of Aurora, I would demand an answer as to why this law has remained and left on the books unchanged with the proof that it didn’t increase public safety where dog bites are concerned. In fact, dog bites In Aurora on average have went UP since the ban.
“The number of bites in Aurora has actually increased by 77% since the law was put into effect and the law seemed reverse what was a trend of decreasing dog bites and bites immediately began trending upward after the law passed. In fact, the four highest years in total dog bites occurred AFTER the law was enacted to supposedly improve public safety.”
It’s also worth noting that the breed ban was set at addresssing only about 15% of the dog bites in Aurora — and never even attempted to address 85% of the cases.
When was the last time Aurora had a person die from a dog mauling? When is the last time a person lost a limb, jaw, tongue, scalp, nose, ear, eye, hand, or foot to a dog attack? Look that up and it just might provide the answer as to why that law was left on the books and unchanged. Maybe they actually LIKE not dying and losing body parts and becoming disabled from dog attacks. Perhaps they’re willing to put up with “bites” but they aren’t so open to having entire limbs ripped off. Maybe that’s where they draw the line?
The last dog bite related fatality in Aurora was after the ban in put in place and was by a non targeted breed, so thanks again for a law that did NOTHING to protect that person.
The law was left on the books because most people won’t bother to educated themselves, and rather just take bits and pieces from the media and go with it. Had the media actually reported about what a failure the laws were in Aurora then it might have been different.
But, just because people voted for the law to say doesn’t mean they made an educated decision, just means they weren’t provided all the information on the subject.
Bottom line is a 77% increase in dog attacks is doing the exact OPPOSITE of what this law is pretending to do.
I’ve went back and forth with you and your conjecture many times, you’ve clearly shown the inability to comprehend all the information available on this subject. Just stick to your dogsbite org pamphlet and don’t worry about thinking for yourself.
The law was left on the books because the majority of normal people don’t want these ghetto hounds in their town. The law was left on the books because people want to live without having to worry about one moving in next door and them not being able to let their children play safely outside, or grandma can’t safely take her stroll around the neighborhood, and they can no longer let Fluffy hang out in the back yard. The law was left on the books because the citizens don’t want these mutants or the ilk at the other end of the leash in their communities. The law is left on the books because the citizens spoke loud and clear they WANT it left there. And if the citizens of other towns get the same privilege of being able to decide for themselves, you will see this played out over and over – WE DON’T WANT YOU OR YOUR KID KILLERS IN OUR COMMUNITIES!
The law isn’t keeping people safe. Council members from Aurora have already admitted that the law in not effective and hasn’t worked.
The citizens voted to keep the law because they don’t know any better, the citizens voted to keep the law because the media didn’t make them aware of the huge failure the law has been since it started.
You people scare me more than any dog could that think it’s a victory when people blindly vote for a law that isn’t working, one hell of a society you would build on lies and fear.
How about linking dog bite statistics for the city before and after the ban? They’re nearly identical, with even a small increase since the ban.
Also, how does a nut-ball like Colleen Lynn continue to get quoted in articles like this? Why is the other side not represented? You know, like the dozen or so national animal welfare organizations that all oppose BSL/BDL? Or the thousands of rescue organizations across the country that believe breed has nothing to do with attacks? Or the government and veterinary studies conducted that show breed is not relevant to bites/fatalities?
An increase in dog bites by 77% is hardly a small increase.
The data I saw indicated reported dog bites remained nearly unchanged. I don’t have the link on-hand. Regardless, dog bites did not go down, and the tax payers in Aurora have paid a lot of money towards a completely ineffective ban.
Obviously the people of Aurora disagree with you. They think their ban is working great.
I don’t think these stats make the Aurora media Harve….the media prefers to play on fears by people like you.
Total bite data was easily available. What amazes me is that not a single media outlet chose to pursue this information, it’s very telling.
There was 243 total bites in 2013, in 2005 and 2006 (law passed 10/2005) there were 137 total bites. Those numbers have increased dramatically since the ban.
So? How many people in Aurora have died from a dog attack? How many people have been permanently disabled by a dog attack? How many people have lost limbs, scalps, jaws, eyeballs, noses, tongues, hands, or feet to a dog attack?
Yes, dog attacks are terrible. Breed isn’t a significant factor in those attacks, though, and what you’re saying here just sounds like alarmist dribble to me.
Anyone who hasn’t been living under a rock the past decade and can read a newspaper, watch a news station, read online news sources, or knows more than 5 people knows that breed indeed is a “significant factor”! Do pit worshipers not realize how ridiculous you sound? Almost every single person that has been killed by a dog involved a pit bull, but “breed isn’t a significant factor”. Almost everyone that has had a dog-related disabling injury or injury that resulted in loss of a body part did so to a pit bull, but “breed isn’t a significant factor”. You can keep shouting “IT’S NOT THE BREED” over and over and louder and louder until you are all blue in the face, but the next severe attack (two them on children the past day or so), and the one after that, and the one after that, and the next fatality will *still* involve a f-ing PIT BULL. Your repeating “it’s not the breed” ad nauseam will not change that. It will continue to be pit bulls.
https://www.whdh.com/story/27306200/ri-boy-recovering-after-pit-bull-attack
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-toddler-biting-pitbull-euthanized-20141106-story.html – I didn’t have to go back to 2012 to find those stories either. They both happened yesterday. Notice the SAME breed that “isn’t a significant factor” was involved in both.
I’ve already seen both of those stories, and both of those dogs were resident dogs living outside on a chain, in both cases a child (victim unable to defend itself) wandered, unsupervised, into the area of a chained dog. Did you see the conditions the one dog lived in? It was tethered on a 2ft chain/rope living in it’s own filth and mud. Dogs become territorial on tethers, and living your entire life on a chain would be terrible especially for a dog that typically needs exercise and mental stimulation.
One of those dogs is neutered, not sure on the other. My point is that they represent the exact problem that sane people try to point out to you. Improper ownership and care for the animal is the prime problem.
And yet, they weren’t chained German Shepherds or Coonhounds. They weren’t Labs living in mud and filth. They were attacked by intact Beagles. You have no way of knowing if the dog(s) spent their “entire life” living on a chain and many pro pit bull forums and organizations suggest pit bulls should be tethered in a yard as an added measure of security. The dogs may only spend an hour or so outside. Regardless, thousands of dogs are tied to trees and left intact and yet they aren’t doing this. Pit worshipers would have us believe that pit bulls are the *ONLY* breed that is ever neglected, abused, tied to trees, unsocialized, has “bad owners”, are untrained, etc. Any of these lame excuses can be applied to almost every single breed, save the rarer ones that are very expensive and more difficult to acquire. How do you explain all the pit attacks that didn’t involve chained pits, didn’t involve intact pits, that were by pits that did live in the house all the time as a family member, that did receive daily exercise and play?
https://www.ncraoa.com/articles/canine/TetheredVsNonTetheredDogs.pdf Excuses, excuses, excuses…. and of course, “It’s NOT THE BREED”.
The MAJORITY of fatal attacks do involve unfamiliar dogs, victims unable to defend themselves, unsterilized dogs, and under-socialized dogs. Maybe only 50% or less of those are verifiable pit bulls, which disproves your entire assumption that other breeds don’t attack or don’t kill.
Pits are cheap and easy to come by in low income areas, and they’re procured by people because of their tough reputation (whether deserved or not). Plus, families or individuals with low income aren’t going to go to their local humane society and adopt a “Coonhound” for $300 when they could go out and buy a pit bull puppy for $20 from the person breeding them out of their apartment complex.
You think you’re making the world safer, but your implication is that you shouldn’t sterilize a dog if it’s not a pit, and that’s it’s somehow alright to leave a dog untethered in a yard if it’s not a pit. You’re implying that you shouldn’t have to practice safe and responsible ownership if the dog isn’t a pit. It’s ridiculous, and time and time again other breeds DO attack, DO harm people, and DO kill people.
How about comparing apples to apples? Bites, you talk bites. We talk fatalities, sever maulings, not bites that can require a band aid. For every on of those ‘sources’ you have, go behind the source, see where their money comes from, see what money they want to collect. No credibility when people are being paid for the stance they take.
Is your claim that national research groups are being paid by pit bull lobbyists to say that pit bulls aren’t dangerous? Where is this money coming from and what could possibly be the motivation behind it? Keep donning that tinfoil hat, while people arguing against you use actual science and facts.
Take your own advice and “go behind the source” in dog fatalities.
https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726
Lack of socialization, lack of sterilization, lack of familiarity with the dog, and lack of an able bodied individual to intervene were all more prevalent factors than breed in fatal dog attacks.
You also can’t argue “maulings,” since nobody tracks those statistics (Merrit Clifton doesn’t count).
Strange how the AVMA issues to their own vets instructions on handling pit bulls in their practice yet you are saying they support pit bulls. Can you explain why they talk from both sides of their mouth? From the AVMA Professional Liability Insurance Trust.
https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/1993-dos-donts-concerning-vicious-dogs-donald-clifford.pdf
Couldn’t have anything to do with that being from 1993 and it currently being 2014? They have taken part in numerous studies in that time period, perhaps the organization is doing what it is supposed to do, learning and providing the education to the best of their knowledge at the given time.
The extremists from the anti-pit bull side are an easily influenced bunch, without realizing it, they are simply Colleen Lynn’s pet Pit Bulls, the thing they hate the most is what has consumed them. They bark at the end of dogsbite org leash like a vicious dog completely unaware that they are just being controlled by someone else.
What about your CDC report, you know the one the White House used to make their ‘decision’? If you back up the CDC report that is over 15 years old, then what is your problem with this one?
Where did I say anything about the CDC report or the White House?
That’s another bad habit you anti-pit bull extremists have, a problem with assumptions and a lack of comprehension.
You want to reply to me then at least have the common courtesy not to make assumptions and tell lies, be an adult, have a conversation without all that emotion.
We just know what you guys come up with is all. If I didn’t mention it, you would have sooner or later. https://maultalk.wordpress.com/
Who are these “you guys” you refer to? Or is that another broad generalization or blanket statement the anti-put bull extremists like to use.
To prevent any further wrong assumptions you may have, I do NOT own a pit bull type dog, nor do i own any dog at all, keep your assumptions to yourself.
So one might refer to you as the troll since you say you have no reason to be here and especially no reason to be defending pit bulls.
This is a public discussion, I have whatever reason I want to be here.
Just like you have every right to remain uneducated and continue to show your conjecture based on a dogsbite org anti-pit bull pamphlet.
Grow up, educate yourself, and learn to comprehend both sides of a debate. Relying on name calling tactics is a strong sign you don’t have aa leg to stand on when it comes to this subject.
There’s no debate, You Lost !
You’re linking me a pamphlet from 1993? Which clearly has a lot of misinformation and personal bias in it? The study I linked you is raw data… not sure how you argue with that.
mattbl you realize HarveMorgan is colleen Lynn. Nobody can locate poor Harve. I do miss colleen’s cut and paste boy Thomas he must have lost computer time at the Facility he lives in.
I continually let myself get drawn into these arguments on sites that use Disqus, and I really hate it because of its anonymity. I should refrain, but it’s so hard not to respond when I see such idiocy.
I know they have a “company line” they like to use in these situations, but it’s so hard to keep from arguing against their stupidity.
Oh yes, let’s see, that is #30 of the people I have been accused of being. Sorry, something hanging sez I ain’t no female.
Here’s the real reason this ban will stay intact:
“It’s cheaper and takes far less effort than providing community programs for bite prevention and educating citizens about the real circumstances that contribute to dog aggression. Breed bans are a fear Band-Aid……Fear extracts a price and we all pay it.”
How many innocent family and dogs have paid the ultimate price for this fear driven by human failure? It’s time to stop using dogs as a scapegoat for human failures.
Educate yourself citizens of Aurora, everyone is better off when properly educated.
The people have spoken and the majority says you are full of it.
Blind, uneducated voting is not a society I want to see. You can make it part of your Utopia, but luckily the trend is to educate yourself and vote against laws that prove to not increase public safety. Aurora is the minority anymore.
The REAL Dog Bite Statistics Plus Media, Myths & Colleen Lynn EXPOSED
https://bslnews.org/2012/01/24/the-real-dog-bite-statistics-plus-media-myths-colleen-lynn-exposed/
As soon as you present a credible source, you might have something, otherwise this is BS because it is from a pit bull site. No one has been exposed, both are well respected by all the major pet organizations.
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Colleen and you sheep that believe that Twunt should hang yourselves. Do the world a favor
Dogbite.org is a hate site.Kinda like asking Hitler if you should ban Jews .
Maybe we should ban ignorant voters.
The ignorance here is really telling of the state of our country. Aurora, Colorado, choosing to be uneducated about a wonderful breed. It’s not that hard to see where the problem lies and that is with the humans that raise these amazing animals. Aurora, Colorado is blacklisted.
and to Harve Morgan.. You seriously need to get some education. The resources are there, but you have to have the desire and mental capacity to do the research, not follow the brainwashed sheep. It’s people like you that ruin what a human being should stand for. Get a clue.
You just can’t handle the truth.
Very good news and I hope more cities follow.
Whatever..
Actually, they are going the other way. Many cities have repealed their bans. Remember, Aurora already had a ban, just trying to repeal it. New cities are not seeking bans; the ‘trial’ cities that did over the last decade or two have not seen a decline in bites…the bans didn’t work. Denver, which has one of the oldest bans in the US, is #1 in violent dog attacks in Colorado.
I’m aware of that. But keep in mind more attacks are happening by these banned breeds as well. Unfortunately there is too many people that believe pit bulls are just like other dogs. Each breed of dog is bred with a certain purpose. I’m not saying every pit bull type dog will become a killer but for the most part if they attack you will be in a world of trouble because they attack unprovoked and without warning. Many have experienced this kind of attack including myself. People are getting tired of their pets, loved ones and especially kids getting killed and disfigured by these dogs. People are starting to stand up to this issue despite the harassment and accusations of being called liars. It’s will take time but people will see.
Im so happy with the outcome. 🙂
People vote all the time on things they know nothing about. This is one of those times. Banning dogs that aren’t one breed of dog but a look is pretty ignorant and it varies from town to town, shelter to shelter and person to person what that look is. Don’t attend dog shows or animal welfare conferences in places that ban dogs based on a look. That’s one way you can fight discrimination of dogs and people. There are millions upon millions of dogs with some type of block head in homes minding their own business and bothering no one along with their responsible dog owners who come from all walks of life despite some people who want to stereotype owners of block headed dogs. That’s why more repeals of breed specific legislation are happening. Since no one can agree on what a pit bull is (not even a breed of dog) bans make people who have them look pretty ignorant with all the information about dogs, mixed breed dogs and dog behavior and human behavior. At least 23,000 people were educated and thought the ban was wrong. That’s a start. Discrimination, ignorance and fear is a stubborn thing to overcome. You have to care enough to learn more about the situation first and be open to learning more.
its people like you that make me sick, you make decisions on false media coverage and fear mongering, patriot act?? you vote yes until it inconveniences you than its a horrible idea. do your research. you’ll vote yes to having stoned people drive high in your state but you cant own a pitbull. but when you see an increase in motor vehicle accidents or a family member is killed than its a bad idea. just like sheeps to the slaughter. educate yourselves. when your chihuahua mauls your kids face will that be the next banned breed? no one that has commented has had any interaction with a pure breed pitbull, i’m sure of it come to my home I’ll be happy to let mine lick you to death!
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I’m not bad, I’m just labeled that way.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1487210118205870&set=a.1391952021065014.1073741829.100007506877968&type=1&theater¬if_t=like
“Popsicle the Pit Bull
While making an arrest at a known drug dealer in Buffalo, New York, Officer Ron Clark spotted an old, deep freezer on the back porch.
Inside the freezer there was a black bag which contained a blood-caked pit bull puppy.
Clark delivered the puppy to the SPCA, where Popsicle made a full recovery, however, no one wanted to adopt a pit bull.
In order to find Popsicle a good home, the shelter contacted U.S. Customs Officer Sally Barr to see if they could sign Popsicle up for canine training school in Fort Royal, Virgina.
It was a long shot because there are many dogs who qualify for the training, but like most Pit Bulls, Popsicle showed his love for a good game of tug-of-war, which was a simple example of the drive needed for training.
Two months after graduation, Popsicle was involved in the biggest cocaine bust in history at the Hidalgo, Texas port of entry. Popsicle located a ton and a half of cocaine that had a street value of $139,605,000.
Popsicle later went to work at the Port of Roma, Texas, where he made 24 marijuana seizures (12,080 lbs worth $640,000), one cocaine seizure (148 lbs worth $6,719,200), and two currency seizures ($65,144).
While in Roma, Popsicle injured his knee and required surgery. He is now retired and living a life of leisure with his owner.”
“The Number 1 United States Customs Dog is an American Pit Bull Terrier
named Popsicle. How did he get that name? He was found during a
drug bust in a freezer where he had been left to die after being used as a
bait dog for dog fighters.”
https://www.pbrc.net/misc/PitBullBook8x101.pdf
Whoopee. You think that makes a difference. You think one lousy made up story brings back life to all the victims? Hardly.
They make that claim but *they* don’t cite a source for their information. Anyone can make bulls-t up and we know the pit bull advocacy movement is famous for that. I can find no other reliable NON-pit bull propaganda cites that mention this accolade the dog supposedly has. I couldn’t find the honor or “The Number 1 United States Customs Dog” bestowed on *any* dog, although I did find a canine drug dog “Hall of Fame” from which “Popsicle” is missing. I would surely think a dog bearing the honor of “The Number 1 United States Customs Dog” might have made the “Hall of Fame”, no? Given the massive amount of lies spread by the PBAM (just look at Coloradogs using a logo without permission to lend credibility to their cause), I’m a bit suspicious of this story.
Unfortunately the trolly trollingtons over at that dog biting “Ladies Circular Mutual Masturbation Dot Org” site have invaded your news site. They have very simple solutions for complex problems…next up…read about their incredulity over people owning K-9 trained “grippers” which is their next target. Correct…nobody needs a trained K-9 according the the rich, white nags who know what’s best for everybody…..they troll other people’s facebook sites so they can be to dog safety what the Westboro Baptist Church is to Christianity. They decry the logical fallacies of Pit Bull nutters while using those same fallacies to speak out against them. Somehow now it’s Rottweilers that are the next devil breed. Just beware, they have an active trolling campaign organized from their web site aimed at this very article. You aren’t getting the opinion of local residents.
Of the 5,106 dogs involved in fatal and disfiguring attacks on humans occurring in the U.S. & Canada since September 1982, when I began logging the data, 3,538 (68%) were pit bulls; 558 were Rottweilers; 4,375 (85%) were of related molosser breeds, including pit bulls, Rottweilers, mastiffs, bull mastiffs, boxers, and their mixes. Of the 572 human fatalities, 305 were killed by pit bulls; 88 were killed by Rottweilers; 437 (75%) were killed by molosser breeds. Of the 3,094 people who were disfigured, 2,186 (68%) were disfigured by pit bulls; 328 were disfigured by Rottweilers; 2,665 (84%) were disfigured by molosser breeds. Pit bulls–exclusive of their use in dogfighting–also inflict more than 70 times as many fatal and disfiguring injuries on other pets and livestock as on humans, a pattern unique to the pit bull class. Surveys of dogs offered for sale or adoption indicate that pit bulls and pit mixes are together less than 7% of the U.S. dog population; molosser breeds, all combined, are 9%.
Rottweiler deaths last 10 years…37 total. I’ve used the available information published in order to classify each death by its most egregious unsafe practice. Keep in mind that in most of these cases many of the factors were present and some I haven’t listed are also present. I only chose 1 factor for each death. This is to put those statistics into perspective.
30 of the victims were children under 8 years of age, most toddlers or very young. Nearly all unsupervised with the dogs. Not all are listed in my analysis as unsupervised since I only wanted to account for another primary factor in each case.
A Rottweiler on a chain is nothing short of a deadly weapon. 10 of these dogs were either on a chain or normally chained and gotten loose.
5 were children unsupervised over time.
4 were newly adopted dogs.
5 were involved in large breeding/training operations.
5 were multiple dog (3 or more) homes other than breeding operations.
2 were known dangerous dogs with a past history of violence.
2 were penned.
2 were multiple dogs running loose.
3 cases were so egregious that charges were filed against the owners.
So, very young children, unsupervised, around a newly acquired Rottweiler, kept on a chain or penned, where multiple dogs and breeding operations take place, where the dogs are known dangerous are common sense factors which can result in tragic circumstances if allowed to occur as a single condition or as part of multiple conditions.
This doesn’t point to family pets, living indoors, properly socialized and trained, around properly supervised young children as a factor at all. Say what you want about other breeds but Rottweilers are NOT the same thing. Rottweiler advocates and owners have been as responsible as possible in reclaiming this breed from the hideous days of the eighties when they were the number one breed in the nation due to pop culture/macho factors.
Rottweiler ownership is NOT for most people. It requires work and doesn’t countenance stupidity or carelessness. When raised in accordance with the standards published nearly anywhere Rottweilers are discussed, the likelihood of these types of maulings is quite small. This is evidenced by the fact that the Rottweiler remains one of the top ten most popular breeds each year according to the AKC figures. There are millions of Rottweilers in homes. The incidents are few in comparison. On the other hand, this breed can be extremely dangerous when not properly kept. If one is not prepared for a ten year life of diligent work with one of these dogs, do us all a favor and get a Retriever or Setter.
All you have to see in this article is a reference to Dog Bites.org. This site has been shown over and over to be as bad as the crappy alternative medicine, anti vax web sites when it comes to science and actual data. They continually ignore all expert opinion in which the overwhelming consensus says that BSL is a waste of time.
Dog bite-related fatalities are exceedingly rare. In 2010, 33 fatalities occurred within a population of more than 308 million and a canine population estimated at over 78 million.
https://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/real-dog-bite-statistics-plus-media-myths-and-colleen-lynn-exposed
If it were your mother, your daughter, your son, your grandfather, would you think it was so rare then?
Yes…
Debunking Merritt Clifton’s “Statistics”
https://www.nopitbullbans.com/pages/debunking-merritt-clifton/
LOL, seriously this is the funniest one of all. Merritt Clifton is well respected by every major organization out there. There’s no debunking of his stats, you just don’t like them because it shows that pits are menace to society, just like some of the people who defend them.
You do realize that he is well known for making up numbers with no source, nobody respects that, and nobody in their right mind would consider anything he has to say credible.
LOL, that’s all I can do is LOL at you.
You do have a habit of laughing in the face of facts.
Consult your dogsbite org pamphlet for how to respond, we’re all waiting for another enlightening quote from Colleen Lynn and all her expertise.
The kind of person that find Merritt Clifton credible is the kind of person that doesn’t care much about facts, you keep fighting that emotional fight of yours, hopefully it makes you feel better in the end, but we all know it won’t change the facts you turn a blind eye to.
I don’t even feel the need to defend Merritt Clifton because his record does that. I doubt you have even read Clifton. If you did, you would see how ridiculous your accusations are. He cites his methodology, it’s easy to check out his research. The only ones who disagree with Merritt are those who defend a murderous breed.
He’s been debunked and shamed in the community to the point where I don’t need to keep pointing out his failures, lies, and misinformation. BUT, I will, because it amazes me that there are people like you that choose to believe his crap despite the glaring errors in his studies.
You must be from Aurora.
You are such a hoot !! Only in your world has he been ‘debunked’, not in the real world.
Not in my world, his errors and misinformation are glaring in his studies, he debunks himself by 1.) being a known LIAR and 2.) being an academic fraud.
His incomplete, non sourced studies full of made up numbers debunk themselves when you look at the type of person authoring the study.
The link is up, people can see for themselves. I ain’t worried about it.
The link is up with aggregated data, not raw data. His data is made up until the point that he provides the raw data for his studies, which he hasn’t.
Merritt Clifton exposed
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-anthony-cooper/merritt-clifton-pit-bulls_b_5866176.html
LOL, you think DA Cooper knows anything? He’s a joke. https://workingtohelpanimalstodaytomorrow.blogspot.com/2012/07/who-is-douglas-anthony-cooper.html
What he said about Merritt Clifton is not refuted.
Wanna bet? You need to catch up.
More abou Merritt
https://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/merrit-cliffton/
The man writes childrens books. https://www.animals24-7.org/2014/07/23/galunker-by-douglas-anthony-cooper-reviewed-by-barbara-kay/
So do a lot of people.
But most don’t write them for their girlfriend, get the message. There’s a good reason for him living in Mexico. That’s who you are following. LOL
This is the same Merritt Clifton that was quoted as saying “I have more than a hundred peer-reviewed publications.” Yet, not one of these publications shows up in a search on JSTOR, the comprehensive academic database online. – LIAR
“What he says on the video unambiguously implies he is the author of over 100 different peer-reviewed articles.”
And what kind of misstatement is Clifton’s? “It’s basically the same as lying about your qualifications. Articles are your qualifications.”
Merritt Clifton — the “primary source” for people who are feverishly trying to eradicate pit bulls, like Barbara Kay — has falsified his credentials.
Not looking too good for the credibility of Mr. Clifton, there are many, many more reasons why he is a joke if you want to continue though.
LOL, you are reading Josh Liddy’s version which was not what was said. Go to the video, and you’ll hear what was really said. LOL, you are such a puppet.
I did watch the video, I watched him explain that he was the author of over a 100 peer reviewed published studies…except he wasn’t. And non of his would be peers appreciate an academic fraud like Clifton.
Pertaining to the video…
Few other people intimately familiar with the protocols of academia. Rafael Newman, a classicist and translator with a PhD from Princeton, agreed with Hogarth: “I believe that, in technical parlance, the first statement is known as a ‘lie’.”
LIAR
Professor Michael E. Harkin at the University of Wyoming — his PhD is from the University of Chicago — also agreed: “This is an instance of academic fraud. You cannot conflate these two: the number of peer-reviewed articles authored, and the number of citations.”
LIAR
Dr. Hogarth elaborated upon his observation. This particular genre of lie — inventing academic qualifications — is associated with people “like Gillian McKeith.”
His own peers acknowledge that he is nothing but an academic fraud and a LIAR.
The same Clifton was fired from Animal’s Agenda, where his wife was an editor. The board felt that it “had become too much the vehicle for one couple’s opinions.” He then founded the tabloid Animal People. Recently he parted ways with that organization as well; the “editorial and managing group” now consists of three people, two of whom are his ex-wife and son. (Venerability is a family affair.) Animals 24-7 is his blog.
Sorry, but as much as we love them, dogs are not people. They do not control their own breeding. We do. We create dogs who point at birds, dogs who retrieve birds, dogs who herd sheep and cattle, dog who run as fast as deer, and dogs who will fight to the death and attack any prey animal that crosses its path. Left to themselves, dogs would all be “generic dog” – about 40-50 lb. slender tan dog, built much like a coyote. There would be no teacup poodles and no dogs of fighting heritage.
We create them, much as we create different types of vehicles, different laptops, etc. These just happen to be living consumer products. Therefore, just like other products, sometimes a version outlives its usefulness. We no longer make Model T Fords or Walkmans – and we have already let a number of breeds of dog disappear.
We no longer have the St. John’s Water Dog, the Paisley Terrier, the English White Terrier, the Molossus or the Cordoba Fighting Dog or many others. Currently the Dandy Dinmont Terrier is the breed of dog that is likely to disappear in the near future – not the pit bull – whose numbers have increased rapidly due to the advocacy of people like you who, although well-meaning, have become foils for the dog fighting industry by protecting their ability to breed endless numbers of them and dump the excess inventory on the gullible humane community and dog adopters.
Ending the deliberate breeding of these dogs was not racist in any way – as breeding them in the first place was unnatural – just as breeding Greyhounds and Irish Wolfhounds or Staffordshire Terriers and Presa Canarios is unnatural today. If herdsmen were to decide that Border Collies did not work as well as Australian Shepherds (or vice versa) and quit breeding them – no one would say a word except a few fanciers. Using your argument it is unreasonable to prohibit people from having lions as pets, as they are cats – just as my sweet tabby is a cat. Therefore it must be racist – by your reasoning – to allow people to have Domestic Shorthair Cats but not lions. After all – they are all cats. Ergo – no difference.
I am not saying that we should prohibit all breeding of all Molosser breeds of dogs in the entire planet. But just as we control the ownership of cats by degree of risk we need to control ownership of powerful dogs of fighting and killing heritage – to limit the risk to both the unwitting folks who want to own them the the general public who had no part in deciding to have their own lives and the lives of their pets endangered.
Not to mention the welfare of the dogs you all proclaim to love. Each year about one third of all the pit bull type dogs in the U.S. die in shelters – one third of the entire population! Yet you not only do NOTHING to try to protect these dogs from bad breedings, dog fighting, horrible abuse, abandonment and death – your fantasy of getting every home to adopt every one of an endless river of breeding fighting dogs is actually the single most serious danger to the welfare of these dogs themselves. If you actually cared about the dogs – rather than your machismo of owning a tough, scary dog – you would want all of the breeders shut down immediately. But you don’t.
By light years the cruel fates at least one-third of all pit type dogs suffer each year is the direct responsibility of the pit advocates – not anyone else.
So if you don’t care about the deaths of thousands of other animals each year to pits – if you don’t care about the maiming of thousands of people each year by pits – and if you don’t care about the several dozen humans killed each year by pit type dogs – why the heck don’t you want to at least help the dogs you proclaim are so sweet, so loving, so kind? What the heck did they do to deserve you?
Well said! But don’t you realize how many people die from falling meteorites each year? ~eyeroll~
I appreciate your argument is intelligent and well thought-out, not like others I’ve seen here…however, you stereotype human owners just like you do the dogs. I’d encourage you meet some pit bull owners and get a different perspective on their efforts to save this breed.
By the way, it’s not that I dispute the injuries. But this argument could be made about so many things that hurt people in a free society – do we want to be a free society, or legislate everything?
“Any society that would trade a little bit of liberty for a little bit of security, will deserve neither, and lose both” – Ben Franklin
Drowning Statistics. Each day in the United States, nine people drown. Drowning is the leading cause of accidental injury-related death among children ages 1 to 4. Male children have a drowning rate more than two times that of female children.
Its time to stop the madness! Ban swimming pools and bathtubs! Make our communities safe!
Red herring – that has zero to do with pit bull deaths. We don’t bring up cancer deaths when discussing safer car laws. We don’t talk gun shot deaths when discussing food safety issues. How many people die from falling coconuts, cows, bee stings, gun shot wounds, and falling tree branches has zero relevancy to preventable fatal dog attacks. This simply shows your desperation.
How many people die from falling coconuts, cows, bee stings, gun shot wounds,
EXACTLY,
Because people from other causes does not mean we should not address this one – and this one is a *very* easy fix. The problem could be solved within a decade.
Breed genocide…when the breed is not easily identified over a decade is not an easy fix. Of the many ways to die, dogs are one of the most insignificant, you’re four times more likely to die from a lightning strike.
Why won’t you answer my question? What is so difficult about it? Since the number of pit bull fatalities are so “insignificant” to the pit worshipers, what is the number of people ripped apart by them needed to become “significant” and “worthy” of action? I suspect if it were *your* elderly mother, or *your* child, that number would be ONE.
He’s showing context for this issue actually, and providing satire…If you don’t understand, read ‘a modest proposal’, a great satire…that knowledge will help you understand people’s post better. You don’t seem to get his. Other readers will…
It’s Time to End the Prejudice Against Pit Bulls
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/arin-greenwood/pit-bulls-time-magazine_b_5521281.html
Working with animals in a shelter is very different than living with them in your neighborhood or having one “go off” in a dog park. I worked in animal control for 17.5 yrs. As I read the statistics that were finally kept on Pit and pit mix bites/maulings, and deaths from them, I feel it is time something is done to permanently get rid of these human-created death machines. They are like machines because when they are in a kill mode, that is the only mode they have. There is no turning them off until you can make them unconscious (yes, I’ve experienced this personally) or have someone daring and strong enough to break them off, but most people are not able. These dogs are solid muscle, have locking jaws that must be pried open, and they have no desire to stop. My sister is a Lieutenant in an EMS squad for a major city. She’s seen too many children, elderly, etc. that have been mauled by pits, and too often the “family pet.” She will never trust one no matter how sweet it is at the time. She will forever live with these memories as will all of the families. Then there are the poor innocent victims walking their sweet dogs that are not pits. These people and pets do not stand a chance against one pit, let alone any additional pits in a loose group. HUMANS are dying just from walking around the block and getting attacked.
In the first 225 days of 2014, 28 Americans were killed by dogs. On average, a fatal attack was inflicted by a canine every 8 days in the U.S. since January 1. Pit bulls and their mixes are responsible for 71% (20) of these deaths. Pit bulls alone have an average kill rate of every 11 days during this period. Followed by two other large molosser breeds, rottweilers (7%) and bullmastiffs (7%), each inflicting 2 deaths. Four dog breeds each inflicted one death. Check out the stats here: https://blog.dogsbite.org/2014/08/fatal-dog-attacks-continue-to-rise-previous-years.html
Why should it be ok for Americans to not be safe in their own yards, homes, or to take a stroll around the block. Pit Bulls have jumped off balconies to kill, busted through people’s front screen doors to kill pets, busted through their own doors to attack, etc. Why should it be ok for anyone to have to have a gun in order to be safe from being attacked? It isn’t! Imagine if your mother was walking down the sidewalk to get exercise that was ordered by her doctor, only to have her mauled by a couple of pits and she has to live for a short time with her injuries before succumbing to her injuries. How many more children have to be gutted (just this week there were two different attacks) or have their extremities ripped from their bodies. How many more grandmothers have to be killed in front of her grandchildren by the family pet when watching her grandkids? Why is ok to anyone?
Don’t argue until you really look at the statistics so you can truly be educated on what the truth is and what is really happening all over America. Look at the stats. Go to dogsbite.org to see the truth. I get notifications almost daily, and at least weekly of pit attacks. It is pathetic! One breed is responsible for 71% of all deaths by dogs and that is NOT ok! There are so many breeds in this country, and if one specific breed is responsible for 71% of all deaths (not including maulings), then this shows how wrong this is.
There are more pits than chows or rottweillers – but per capita, they are the #1 and #2 killers. I don’t suppose your website mentions that.
Try finding unbiased sources of information and forming your own opinions – this will improve your life overall!
Rottweilers are way more popular than pit bulls! They are number 8 or 9 on the popularity list – pit bulls don’t even make the list.
Pit bulls are not an akc breed, so that’s probably where you are missing them. There are 5 million pits in the US, roughly 300,000 Rottweillers.
There isn’t a more populous dog in American than the pit bull type dog.
You anti-pit bull people sure like to attribute every single bite to pit bulls but in the same breath say there aren’t many out there. There are millions, upon millions, upon millions, upon millions….that we know about and can estimate….there are millions more wrapped up in underground fighting rings and the back of peoples properties that nobody will ever know about.
Such a lie!
Don’t forget to come up for air Karen, tough to breath with your head buried.
Odd that you don’t believe this? Tells me you’ve had no exposure to the breed (or maybe you don’t what they are exactly); undoubtedly you’ve seen them around, they are all over (and 99.9988% are not attacking people).
That you don’t know there are so many pits gives me a perspective on where you’re coming from…ignorance. Even your advocates will agree on the 5 million pit number.
126 people have been killed by falling trees so far this year, imagine how many more were disfigured and maimed.
Its time to make our communities safe by banning trees.
Why would anyone chose to have a dangerous tree when they could have a bush instead?
https://www.romans322.com/daily-death-rate-statistics.php
Red herring – that has zero to do with pit bull deaths. We don’t bring up cancer deaths when discussing safer car laws. We don’t talk gun shot deaths when discussing food safety issues. How many people die from falling coconuts, cows, bee stings, gun shot wounds, and falling tree branches has zero relevancy to preventable fatal dog attacks.
Sorry Karen, not a good response…There must be a good response to his posts, but you don’t seem to be able to articulate it…
The point is very simple – the number of pit bull deaths is small compared to other things we don’t want to ban (so why are we okay with a pit ban, unless or until the other issues). There’s also satire involved which is…wait, I can’t believe I have to explain this to you…
So how many people have to die or become permanently disabled at the jaws of these killers before the number is “good enough” to do something about it? GM recently recalled almost a million vehicles based on I believe 13 deaths. Child carseat, baby carrier, crib, and stroller manufacturers have removed millions of products from the shelves in highly publicized recalls due to only 1, 2, or 5 deaths. People all over the nation are freaking out over Ebola and demanding the government take immediate action such as travel bans (yet 35,000-40,000 people die each year from flu). Why is it our product manufacturers will pull billions of dollars of product off the market with only a handful of deaths, and we fully expect this, yet pit bulls can maim someone every 5.4 days and kill someone every 14 days and yet that “product” is still infesting our communities? That is f-ed up! So you tell me, *how many* people have to die before the number is enough to warrant action? What is that magic threshold before we can pull that dangerous product from our shelves?
How many people have to die before trees and swimming pools are banned?
Don’t answer a question with a question. WHAT IS THE MAGIC NUMBER. It is a simple question.
We are not discussing swimming pools and trees – both of which have legislation regulating their safety. Pools are considered in many, if not most places, an “attractive nuisance”. When I had a pool, despite having my property fenced and security gates at the front of my drive, AND having my yard area fenced separately, the law required my pool to have a fence around it meeting specific guidelines. This was in case some stranger climbed my perimeter fencing, made their way to my yard, climbed that fencing, they would not accidentally drown in m pool. Swimming pools however, “attractive nuisance” aside, do not actively go out and kill people. Swimming pools don’t break free from their enclosures and go drown people. Swimming pools aren’t allowed in public areas without very secure fencing and kept under lock and key and/or monitored. There ARE laws and regulations that protect us from swimming pools. My coworker has a huge tree that has become a problem. The city has deemed it not safe and now he must pay $3,000 to have it removed. A couple years ago, a senior that I was helping out, had the same issue with a tree on her property. Despite being on a fixed income, she had to pay a large amount of money to have the tree removed. While I certainly am not familiar with them, there ARE laws regarding trees when they can effect the public. A mother and/or infant was killed a few years ago in Central Park I believe by a falling branch. They had a lawsuit against the city (although I never followed it to see what became of it). But again, trees aren’t predatory. Trees don’t actively pursue, attack, and kill people. If people really want to avoid being killed by a tree, they can simply not be near a tree. Trees also serve a very important purpose in our environment and the atmosphere. Our planet could not be sustained without trees. The same cannot be said of beady-eyed, Joker faced ghetto hounds. They are a garbage breed that could be effectively eliminated in a very short time and the world would be a better place for it. There is nothing they do, other than killing, that most of the other dog breeds can do.
126 people have been killed by falling trees so far this year ( one every three days )
What is your answer. I want to know how many more deaths until the “magic” number where the deaths are considered “significant” by those that worship a breed of dog whose sole purpose is killing. Is it 800? 1,000? 10,000 deaths? Do all deaths count or must we break it into separate categories for healthy adult, children, or the frail/elderly? Does one group carry more weight or are they all equal? Please GIVE US A NUMBER – how many people have to be killed by pit bulls before we can address the problem?
That is not their sole purpose. For me, there is no number, because the breed isn’t the problem. Do you imagine if we ban pits, the bad owners just go away? No, they fight or train to fight another breed – I’m guessing German Shephards, but who knows. Some understanding of cause and effect might help you here.
You may “love” dogs, but you don’t seem to know very much about them. And yes, that is their sole purpose. Allow me to suggest some educational reading:
“The World of the American Pit Bull Terrier” – Stratton
“Thirty Years with Fighting Dogs” – Armitage
“Fighting Dogs – The American Pit Bull Terrier – an Anthology”
“The American Pit Bull Terrier” – Colby
All of these books can be found on Amazon and I believe I have all of them on Kindle (I *think*, I have a couple of pit bull books on my shelfs but I don’t think it’s these). They are quite old and written for the time they were in and historically.
The ‘even one is too many!’ argument is used to justify oppression and prejudice around the world. In a free society, I believe one should be free to own a pit bull (I don’t own one, but this blog draws me in!).
Per capita, pits are not in the top 3 in dog related deaths (rottweilers, chows are higher, ‘per capita’ – throwing out gross stats and not per capita is misleading as well).
It’s an analogy by ridicule.
Those who hide behind the keyboard with hatred in their heart are not the majority. They hate many more things that have nothing to do with Pit bulls. Hatred based on the look of something can pertain to anything. You on here that spew hatred towards pit bull type dogs know absolutely nothing about dogs. You see something on tv and take it as truth. You visit dogsbite and think she is an expert (when she has no credentials). I challenge you to call any dog trainer or dog expert in your local area and ask then about this heated debate, ask them if they think that those fitting the description of a pit bull are inherently dangerous? why are children and humans not being savagely torn apart by the millions of pit bull type dogs out there? You wont call Victoria Stillwell up because you know what she will tell you. Once you have established a position you will search out everything to back up what you think(confirmation bias). Call up the key representatives for the ASPCA and ask, but you wont. Ill tell you as a dog trainer of 10 years I have worked some pretty bad bite cases towards humans, and 99% were not pit bull type dogs.
I chose to plant bushes, why should I have to walk down a street where a tree could fall on me because of irresponsible tree nutters?
126 people have been killed by falling trees so far this year ( one every three days ).
5078 Have been killed texting while driving so far this year…15 a day, imagine how many more were mained and disfigured.Wake up America! It’s time to ban cell phones. How many more have to die! This is crazy!
It’s painful to see how little regard some humans have for the lives of animals they’ve taken upon themselves to domesticate and use for profit, sport, and companionship for such a large part of our history. Dogs don’t kill people, people breed, raise, and train dogs to kill people. This is genocide, there’s no other word for it.
Can you pick the pit?
The most aggressive dog.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-ELQRmW7uo0WUhnLURZaVRCSzlNVDFTZ25WcWdNOXl2akgw/view?pli=1 Just look at all the people Dachshunds, Chihuahuas, and Dachshunds have killed over he past 30 years! They are really leaving a path of death and destruction!
these people need to see billboards with the pictures of stacks of euthanized dogs that are posted from kill shelters. Maybe it would make some difference. Wonderful dogs will now be taken from their families..children will lose a member of their family due to the ignorance of people who put the blame on a specific breed of dog instead of the bad owners.
I’ve seen them – boohoo! I’m more swayed by the pictures of children with their faces torn off or their heads torn off their bodies.
Are you able to make a logical argument? It’s either name calling or blinding throwing out stats…
My logical argument is pit bulls are responsible for more attacks because of the way they are raised and they can sometimes attract bad owners. I also believe without pit bulls, these bad owners would still find another breed (banning pits, doesn’t get rid of bad owners).
Additionally, I believe in a free country, a person should be able to own a pit; there are so many other dangerous things that cause more deaths than pits, if we regulate all of those things, we no longer exist as a free country.
Come on, humor me. I’m trying to get into a real debate rather than this childish emotional argument.
Attacks by pit bulls have NOTHING to do with “how they are raised” or “bad owners” and EVERYTHING to do with the fact it is what they are bred to do!
Sorry no…how would you explain the breed ‘becoming’ dangerous in the 1980’s, and not dangerous earlier in the century…only thing that’s changed is how humans use them.
They have ALWAYS been dangerous and they’ve always been used for dog-fighting. The only thing that changed in the 80s is the PBAM began the hard sell of them as “pets” and putting them out into the community as “normal” dogs. Prior to that, pit bulls were pretty much only in the hands of dog fighters who knew how to manage them and who provided the outlet for their gameness. https://americasdog.blogspot.com/ This site has scanned archived news articles from as far back as the early 1800s (the years are on the right) detailing horrible attacks by these mutants, and in a few you will see some of the same excuses and arguments we are still hearing today.
Die already..
It is so easy to see why the pit bull is your dog of choice!
Are you aware 2 presidents had pit bulls in the white house in the 1900s as family pets for their kids; the little rascal dog was a pit, RCA voice of his master dog…
Learn what a pit bull is. I don’t think you’d recognize one.
I try to keep with unbiased sources, so thanks anyway on the site referral.
Really? So you’re saying newspapers, advertisers, etc. were even “biased” in the 1800s? You do realize the little rascals was a fictional television program and wasn’t real right? The Petey(s) were professionally trained and handled with the handler always nearby. Despite that, in an interview, one of the Our Gang cast told how the entire cast hated the dog because several had been on the receiving end of his bites. I was aware one president had a pit bull (Bull Terrier?) and this is what is said of him:
“Pete, a bull terrier who sank his teeth into so many legs that he had to be exiled to the Roosevelt home in Long Island!”
From – https://www.nps.gov/thrb/historyculture/the-roosevelt-pets.htm
“Pete, a bull terrier, was finally exiled from the White House for having nipped too many visitors’ ankles. The dog used up his last chance when he ripped the pants of the French ambassador. Off to Sagamore Hill he went.Edith Roosevelt favored mixed breeds, and the first lady had a mongrel named Tip, followed by one named Mutt.” – https://americacomesalive.com/2012/07/01/teddy-roosevelts-dogs/#.VFwYzoc-DVo
I am well aware of what a pit bull looks like, as are most people. Just look for the block heads, beady, little demonic and soulless eyes, and the big creepy Joker (alligator) grins.
Well, the reason I continue with these posts is eventually ignorance is proven – in this case, you’ve called a bull terrier a pit bull – Sorry, wrong breed! Teddy’s pit bulls were no problem (he and Harrison had them). His bull terrier was a different dog (Spuds Mckenzie you might remember, is a bull terrier).
Do some research, show me any pre-1980’s references to pits as dangerous dogs (you could certainly find that info on dobermans and german shephards). Sounds like a fun project – enjoy.
I’m sorry, I can’t find any evidence that Teddy Roosevelt had any pit bulls other than the one mentioned, which was indeed a bull terrier, however, pit bull worshipers like to claim it was a pit bull. If you have a non-pit bull site that lists these dogs, I’d be interested to see it. Also, I’m curious which other president had a pit bull (s). As for the research pre 80s, the link I shared above has many articles stating that very thing, like I said, beginning in the early 1800s. Here’s a bonus though – https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_TQhn0TrPSbZTItZS1SbEg5dG8/edit
Fair enough; admittedly I meant 1900’s stories, specifically leading up to, but before the 1980s; no argument, pits were considered dangerous (with other breeds) in much of the 1800s when dog fighting was big.
Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson. Teddy owned a lot of animals including a bull terrier and pit bulls. Google, or find any Teddy Roosevelt documentary on the issue (recent one on PBS on all the Roosevelts, mini-series).
Helen Keller also owned pit bulls and used them in her training (nothing controversial at the time). Imagine the reaction today.
Several dogs are listed for the Roosevelts, however none as pit bulls, only Pete the bull terrier. Perhaps the tv series took some liberties.
I did google and was not able to find evidence of that. Here is what I found on Woodrow Wilson:
“Her illness may partially explain why the Wilsons did not have a dog at that time.
A cat named Puffins was part of the household, and shortly after settling in at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, the Wilsons added chickens and a herd of sheep. Wilson felt the sheep were the most economical way to keep the grass trimmed. There was also a ram named Old Ike.
In 1915 Wilson married again (Edith Boling Galt). Toward the end of his term of office he was given a bull terrier named Bruce.”
Again, this states a “bull terrier” and is from – https://americacomesalive.com/2012/08/15/the-pets-of-woodrow-wilson-1856-1924/#.VFwrRoc-DVo
Helen Keller did not have a pit bull and nowhere is this claimed other than on pit propaganda sites. In books about her, the dog in question is referred to as a Boston Terrier and the photos support this. https://urbanhounds-tubby5dog.blogspot.com/2012/03/womens-history-month-famous-women-and.html#.VFwsKYc-DVo
I actually agree about Wilson, his was a bull terrier…at least you’re getting educated – you now know that a bull terrier is not a pit bull (at least in the BSL world). And Helen Keller had several dogs we might consider dangerous today including a pit, Akita, multiple mastiffs, etc.
I don’t know what to say if you don’t that pits weren’t considered dangerous before 1980 – I’m old enough to know.
I grow tired regardless, have to go play with my beagles and basset – thanks for the banter.
Yes, I definitely know the difference between a Bull Terrier and a Pit Bull (and the Bull Terrier people are very upfront about the challenges of their breed, unlike the pit nutters). While all non-pit sites call Roosevelt’s dog a Bull Terrier, several pit pimping sites do refer to it as a pit bull. I can find no evidence he actually had pit bulls. Helen Keller did NOT have pit bulls. She did of course have an Akita that was known to be her favorite dog. We do consider Akitas dangerous today and Akita owners and the parent club are also very upfront about this. Pit bulls have always been considered dangerous, however, prior to the 80s, they were not typically owned by people who didn’t use them for their intended purpose – it was actually very rare for someone to have one as a pet so naturally, we didn’t have the issues with have with them today.
The 1900s stories are also on the same site. The dogs didn’t magically take a reprieve from the early 1900s until the 80s.
Pit bulls have been systematically forced to fight to the death by bad owners (many breeds including great danes and dalmations have been trained successfully in the past the same way, they’re just not the ‘in’ fighting dog right now) – to pretend other breeds have gone through the same abuse as pits today….really?
I believe you have not interacted with pit bulls or you couldn’t think these things. I dropped by beagles and bassett at the doggy day care for a week long stay, pit bulls in open play area, had no fears…
To address your points above; Aurora has had a ban for a long time, but their violent bite numbers are up since the ban; Denver has a ban (one of the oldest in the country), and is #1 in dog bites in Colorado per capita; so apparently, the bad owners do move on to other breeds…
The kill frequency of a pit bull is 0.0012% (not even the ban advocates dispute this); certainly in a free country we should have that ability (I’m guessing the alligator kill frequency would be a bit higher 🙂 )
Pit bull are not “forced” to fight and no dog fighter would waste his time doing so – a dog that needed to be coerced into fighting would be culled.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_TQhn0TrPSbN3FHdlZaMklJaUE/edit
https://www.bulldoginformation.com/bull-baiting.html – read the first page, pay attention to the last paragraph, then “read more” and read the first 2-3 paragraphs on that page. These were the predecessors to “pit bulls”.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/14295590/Pathologies-of-Reasoning
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_TQhn0TrPSbeFM5SnVkQnM2aHc/edit – note the “training” chapter and what “training” a pit to fight involves, or more importantly, what it doesn’t involved.
Meeting a “friendly” pit means nothing to me (and I never again let one near me or my dogs) when so many attacks and deaths are from pits that had previously been “friendly little wigglebutts”. I have seen a child ripped to shreds by a so-called “pet” pit bull and this was in the 80s when this problem was just starting. If you want to compare what a pit does to a “dog bite”, I suggest you visit one of these child survivors in the hospital; you just might change your view. I’ve had my dog’s muzzle bitten completely through, lighting speed, through a picket fence by a “really friendly pit bull (excuse me, “Staffordshire Terrier” as the owner was always quick to correct, as if there was a difference). Thank goodness I had the good sense to let them greet through the fence first rather than “come on in” as the owner encouraged me to do. The “friendly little wiggle butt” ultimately killed another boarder’s dog and finally bit off (as in it’s gone) her owner’s thumb. This is the same pit bull that previously she had no problem letting her toddler/preschool niece and nephew climb all over. You will see the story I recounted under another comment about the pit bull “play mate” that after a year and a half of friendly play tried to kill her “little buddy”. My HS classmate and friend’s uncle (whom I’d met in HS) was killed by two pit bulls while weeding his flowerbed in his front lawn. They tore off his arm (by off, I mean that literally) and he succumbed to his injuries a few days later. Another friend had a family friend (little daughter’s friend – off-base military community) that had a pit they’d raised from a pup. All the kids liked to hang out at their house and my friend had posted several pictures over the years of her daughter with her friends and the pit bull at various ages in the mix with them. It had been exposed to many children in and out constantly since it was 8 weeks old and everyone loved it and it loved every one. One day, when thank goodness my friends’s daughter was NOT at the house, the pit bull attacked one of the children playing in the backyard. It was a scene that had played out countless times but this particular time, something triggered the dog. The father had to shoot the dog and Careflight actually landed on their street to transport her to a trauma center. Anyone that had met that pit bull prior to that moment in time would have raved about how sweet pit bulls can be. I’ve had at least 3 friends have their dogs attacked by pit bulls – in one incident, the pit bull leaped from a car window as they were walking down the sidewalk and the car was driving down the street (in motion)! I don’t need any more encounters with pit bulls than the ones I’ve already had, anymore than I need to attempt to blow dry my hair while standing in bath water!
I guess you have me on a technicality – you were name calling the comment, not the writer when you said this…”What an incredibly stupid comment.”
And don’t worry, they’re cranking more out by the thousands! There are plenty more where those came from.
F U C K Y OU Karen!!!!
Soooo typical from a pit worshiper!
I dont believe in BSL’s at all, aggressive dog laws yes. to single out the pitbull is ridiculous, the only reason for such a high rate of these “reported” attacks is because they happen in the neighborhoods were these animals are raised to protect drug houses and are not socialized it’s like reporting the racial profiling in the hood but not the white guy being harassed by the same officers or the black guy being beaten by whites but not the vice versa. as far as the “ghetto Hound” comment I have owned bully breeds countless times in my life. I’m 42, educated and live far from the ghetto, I earn a decent salary and own a bully breed now. I have never had any aggression issues with any dog I’ve owned. as I respect your opinion I think it’s terrible to judge an animal you have no real knowledge of except what you’ve read or seen on the news which most of the time are misclassified or a mix of some sort or another. I will keep me and my pitbull in NY and will be happy to defend my dog and home here. when they decide to ban your labradoodle you’ll understand the sadness and frustration that a few bad seeds have cast on our loving pets and loyal companions.
42, educated, and earn a good salary but for some reason, you still feel compelled to own a breed of dog purpose-bred for violence and killing. You still feel the need to “make a statement” by choosing the “most dangerous dog breed”; by choosing the breed responsible for more disabling and fatal attacks than all other breeds combined. The breed of dog that has killed dozens of kids? That must feel special huh? They are ghetto hounds but I supposed there is some “coolness” to have a dog created for and made popular by criminals and thugs. What is it – you want to show everyone how you can “handle” such a breed? You enjoy the fear you see in others when they encounter your dog? You like the feeling of power and “respect” you get when you walk your dog? You somehow identify with the poor, misunderstood “underdog”? You deliberately chose the breed you did, knowing exactly what the breed is about, knowing they are controversial, knowing they are dangerous, knowing they are banned in many municipalities, entire countries, by airlines, on military bases and housing, in apartments and condos, by homeowners insurance companies, etc – you still chose that breed from the 200+ other options available, so quit whining. You wanted to make a statement and you got just want you wanted. Stop expecting anyone to feel sorry for you. If you just wanted a “loving pet and loyal companion”, you would have chosen a normal dog.
yes this is the dog I chose knowing the responsibility that goes along with it and I will not let anyone dictate what I can or cant have, I didn’t get the dog for “coolness ” or “respect” or for someone to feel sorry for me but I do like to see peoples faces when the meet my dog and are surprised at how gentle he is towards people and other animals. if you’re so worried for the human race being harmed by something stop tobacco companies from selling cigarettes in your county, or bring back prohibition both have killed more people than my dog has. how about homeless or forgotten veterans you don’t care about those causes but eradicating an entire breed of dog because of your fears is acceptable. I’m glad it is only a small number of close minded people in this world. Karen I respect you making a stand for what you believe in and thats your right, just as it’s my right to own the breed of my choosing, and to own a gun if I so choose and to enjoy my freedoms that so many soldiers have fought and died for. welcome to the real world honey when a terrorist crosses our unsecured border and detonates a dirty bomb on U.S soil than this whole argument will be for nothing. my point is there are bigger issues than what dog I choose to own. have a nice day. you can reply but it clear that on the matter we can agree to disagree. god bless.
Why do you assume that because I advocate for the safety of children and animals and our rights as citizens to enjoy our parks, sidewalks, and even backyards without risk of a dog attack by a breed of dog “custom-made” to do just that, that I don’t also advocate for other issues? I also do advocate for and support veteran causes, advocate for strict gun control measures, and while I don’t necessarily advocate for the homeless, I’ve bought many a sandwich, bottle of water, or cup of coffee for them. Owning a dog purpose-bred for killing is not a “right” and unfortunately the choice of owning this breed doesn’t just affect the owner. Sadly, the myth of pit bulls is if they are friendly and sociable, then you never have to worry about them attack, yet many attacks have come from those very dogs. I’m sure the people in the links above also loved showing off how friendly their pits were (key word) with people and other animals. The pictures, particularly in the first link, show how well-socialized the pits were (key word). A pit doesn’t have to be straining at a leash and snarling and barking to be a dangerous pit. A small number? “Honey”, did you read the headline? OVERWHELMING! Just like the last public vote on the issue. You’re being disingenuous if you’re trying to tell us you chose a pit just because you wanted a great dog. I don’t know what the reason is that you chose it, but it definitely isn’t the reason most normal people choose a dog.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_TQhn0TrPSbLUxaS2ttRFpDZlU/edit?pli=1
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/canine-corner/200903/psychological-characteristics-owners-high-risk-aggression-dog-breeds
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_TQhn0TrPSbc3NwT0ttcHdlbEk/edit
https://maxgold20.tumblr.com/post/70783956506/my-theory-on-why-pitbull-advocates-are-nutters
And these “reported attacks” don’t appear to have been raised to “protect drug houses”. I doubt they were raised much differently than yours and like you, they had “never had any aggression issues” with their dog. You can take the dog out of the pit, but you can’t take the pit out of the dog! You can’t “love away” what they were created to do.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.173059916187205.1073741830.172467419579788&type=1
https://www.babybeaufoundation.org/my-story/
https://www.babybeaufoundation.org/rep-waites-and-mrs-rutledge-discuss-bully-breed-legislation/
https://www.capitalbay.com/uk/297683-milly-anne.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027286/Darla-Napora-Pregnant-woman-dies-mauled-pet-dog-living-room.html “mauled to death by one of her pet pit bull terriers belonged to group campaigning to convince people that the animals aren’t dangerous,” – Just like you! Ironic, no?
https://www.azfamily.com/news/Mom-severely-injured-while-saving-toddler-from-dog-attack-226409391.html
https://17barks.blogspot.com/2014/03/my-red-nose-pit-bull.html
https://blog.dogsbite.org/2013/07/beyond-the-interview-essay-of-a-fatal-pit-bull-mauling.html
https://17barks.blogspot.com/2014/01/getting-to-know-pit-bulls-continued.html
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/betty-anne-chapman-todd-victims-stories/
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/konen-dean-asa-dagley-daxtons-friends-victims-stories/
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/zachary-wright-victims-stories/
Just a few “family pits”
If these were humans, these people for the ban would be labelled racists. No, they’re dogs, so it’s ok to KILL THEM for nothing more than being born a breed that few people use for violence. What is wrong with you people? Punish the many for the awful/violent actions of the few? I suppose, by your reasoning, it’s okay to curtail everyone’s freedom because there is a crazy person out there too. Oh…wait…
What an incredibly stupid comment. Dog breeds have nothing in common with human race. Dog breeds are types of dogs created, through centuries of careful and selective breeding, to have very specific inherent traits and characteristics to perform certain jobs and tasks. The traits that were beneficial to the job were accentuated and improved on while the traits not suitable to the tasks were bred out. This is why hunters use hunting dogs – and even in that grouping, there are subsets of task specific breeds. A duck hunter in Novia Scotia isn’t going to use an Irish Setter and a bird hunter in North Carolina isn’t going to use an Afghan Hound. Neither hunter is going to use a Bovier des Flanders. A stock rancher isn’t going to use a German Shorthair to round up the cattle; he will use a dog breed created for the purpose – perhaps a Border Collie or Australian Cattle Dog. If a rancher needs a dog(s) for guarding his stock at night, he isn’t going to use either of those breeds, but instead a breed created for that job, such as a Great Pyrenees or Anatolian Shepherd. Have you ever considered why police military forces aren’t using Sheepdogs or Borzois as their K9 units? Do you understand why they use the breeds specifically suited to their purpose?
To compare dog breeds to human race is either the ultimate in stupidity, or just a desperate attempt to evoke emotions from those who lack critical thinking skills and the most basic of dog knowledge.
You didn’t get schooled enough below, you had to repost the same thing here?
To think, for a moment, that all dogs conform to the characteristics they were bred for is to show lack of experience with dogs.
A pit bull that doesn’t fight to the death is a poor representative of the breed, a cur.
HERE IS AN EXCELLENT READ TO THOSE WHO NEED TO BE EDUCATED:
https://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/publications/230603563_Pit%20Bull%20Placebo.pdf
Lengthy …but worth the read.
I am one of those that is tired of all of the pit bull mauling’s here in Austin. I hope they do the same here. Once you have been nearly killed by one or a family member has trying to save you…. you will never see them the same again.
They are NOT normal dogs.
Breed bans are foolish. Bad dogs are caused by bad dog owners. Period.
Indeed! Dog bite stats from communities that have banned them prove they don’t work. Anybody remember the definition of insanity…
The purpose of pit bull bans and regulation is not to reduce “bites”. It is to reduce and eliminate the most severe, disabling and fatal attacks. And to that purpose, they are extremely effective.
Site your information since you’re so hot on stats…
Denver is #1 in Violent attacks in Colorado despite their long running (25 year) breed ban.
Again, how many people have been killed by dogs in Denver in the past 25 years? How many people have lost a body part and/or limb to a dog attack in Denver in the past 25 years? I do know there was an attack (fatal?) recently in Denver – by a pit bull belonging to a drifter camped in a parking lot who claimed “she didn’t know” about the ban.
I honestly don’t know how many, just that it’s more than the rest of the state (most of which does not have breed bans). Again, do you have stats on breed bans working; many unbiased organizations (CDC, aspcac and others) have stats on them not working.
Explain that to these people:
https://17barks.blogspot.com/2013/08/what-happened-to-gavin.html
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.173059916187205.1073741830.172467419579788&type=1
https://www.babybeaufoundation.org/my-story/
https://www.babybeaufoundation.org/rep-waites-and-mrs-rutledge-discuss-bully-breed-legislation/
https://www.capitalbay.com/uk/297683-milly-anne.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027286/Darla-Napora-Pregnant-woman-dies-mauled-pet-dog-living-room.html “mauled to death by one of her pet pit bull terriers belonged to group campaigning to convince people that the animals aren’t dangerous,” – Just like you! Ironic, no?
https://www.azfamily.com/news/Mom-severely-injured-while-saving-toddler-from-dog-attack-226409391.html
https://17barks.blogspot.com/2014/03/my-red-nose-pit-bull.html
https://blog.dogsbite.org/2013/07/beyond-the-interview-essay-of-a-fatal-pit-bull-mauling.html
https://17barks.blogspot.com/2014/01/getting-to-know-pit-bulls-continued.html
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/betty-anne-chapman-todd-victims-stories/
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/konen-dean-asa-dagley-daxtons-friends-victims-stories/
https://www.daxtonsfriends.com/zachary-wright-victims-stories/
Your pit is no less likely to attack and kill than there’s was.
Quebec just repealed their Pit Bull ban.
Yes, and in Canada, somehow this breed is not dangerous. One fatal attack in Canada in the last 20 years despite a huge population of them (many attacks in Canada by Dalmatians actually, and Huskies and St. Bernards). Odd how they become less dangerous when they cross the border….hmmm, maybe it has more to do with how the US abuses them than the breed…
Guess what come next? Ask Cincinnati and Dayton and Zainabou Drame ( she cant answer however her tongue was ripped out after her face was torn off)
Nothing comes next apparently…only one fatal pit attack in Canada over 20 years (much of Canada is without a ban, and there are many pits). This is human behavior by us in the US…not breed.
I disagree. The vast wilderness will not see the killings because that breed can not survive outdoors as the Husky and Malamute. However the “urban”areas will see it. It is simple math.
Now Canada has no urban areas? Now that’s funny…if you don’t know your geography, at least maybe you’ve seen a baseball game or something, yes they have large cities..
The fact that the citizens got it right is due to simple statistics. Will the chance of a Pit mauling or murder increase, decrease or stay the same if this filthy breed is legalized. They answer is simple.Pits “lock on” and they do not let go.
Actually, Aurora violent dog attacks have gone up since the ban… (other breeds, because we didn’t ban the bad owners).
The pit locking jaw is an urban legend…German Shephards are by far #1 of all breeds in jaw strength based on scientific studies.
The GSD has to be trained for months to hold a bite. I know. A pit ‘locks on” term used by nutters.
Locking jaw is an urban legend…sorry, but they don’t lock, and they aren’t the strongest jaw dogs either. A quick google search (stay away from biased sites on either site) will tell you that.
The term “Lock On” is used from the breed trait to hold and not let go. Everyone know that they do not lock. You are a full of excuses tonight.
Sorry, don’t know the term then. I’m really a novice and don’t own a pit bull, but I don’t get any of this. If a Shephard runs toward me in the street, I’m 10x more afraid than if it were the smaller pit bull. I’ve know several of each breed.
We all know that pit bulls jaws don’t technically “lock” but they do hold and not release. This is why somewhat reputable pit bull websites (rescues, breeders, clubs) recommend that all pit bull owners carry or have a break stick nearby, regardless of how friendly and non-aggressive their pit has historically been. All of these sites also warn explicitly against using a break stick on any other breed beside a pit bull. Pit bulls have locked on to their victims and despite being kicked, punched, tasered, maced, beaten with baseball bats and 2 x 4s hard enough to split them, stabbed repeatedly, and even shot – they still held fast until they died. This happened last week; listen to the woman’s story. https://www.10news.com/news/woman-killed-pit-bull-to-save-grandma-dog-10292014 Listen carefully at 1:30.
Also last week – https://www.wzzm13.com/story/news/local/metro/2014/10/23/police-use-taser-when-pit-bull-escapes-leash-and-attacks-dog/17817331/ These two cases last week are by no means an anomaly.
You are so wrong nutter…
What do you know about GSDs? You have pit bulls shoved so far inside you, you can’t see anything else.
Lol…you’re a joke!
I am completely correct. Denial does not change the facts. The “lock on” bite of the Pit is an inherited trait just as pointers point, retrievers fetch, herding dogs herd. Go back to your pork rinds and red pop nutter.
You are correct. Pit bull advocates are all about lies and half-truths.
interesting article.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/07/breed-specific-legislation_n_4738583.html
from a purely non biased website. LOL
Well, you could read the White House press release, the aspca, the CDC….unbiased enough for you?
I guess dog breed info is also a pro-pitbull site?
https://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanpitbull.htm
Can All Dogs Be Trained to Fight?
No. Much like herding dogs, trailing dogs and other breeds selected for particular roles, fighting dogs are born ready for the training that will prepare them to succeed in the pit, and are bred to have a high degree of dog aggression.
https://www.aspca.org/fight-cruelty/dog-fighting/dog-fighting-faq
Read the rest of their site – very pro pit bull. While they site ‘fighting dogs’, you might be surprised about the breeds that fit within this (it’s not just pit bulls).
so you agree with them right? Pit Bulls are breed for higher aggression.
Separate from other dogs? No, as I said, many dogs were bred for fighting, pits are simply today’s favorite of gangs and criminals. Sad we blame the breed for our human actions. Lack of accountability…
what other breed are bred for pit fighting?
Cane Corso
Irish Wolfhound
Shar Pei
Mastiff
Boston Terrier
Lot’s more…
All wrong. Non of the above breed for Pit fighting. Goodbye nutter.
Do some research…not bred today for that, but originally bred for fighting…
Sorry to bust your big point!
I won’t resort to name calling…that’s a sure sign of a losing argument. Goodbye indeed…
Where did you read that Irish Wolfhounds were originally used for dog fighting? I find no evidence suggesting that. Shar Peis were not *created* for dog fighting although they were used a bit for that purpose. I also saw nothing that indicated Cane Corsos were used for dog fighting and certainly not bred for it.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_TQhn0TrPSbTTZLZ19FdGltNDA/edit
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_TQhn0TrPSbTm1IRTVsWUtWRjA/edit
https://www.scribd.com/doc/14810086/Heritability-of-Behavior-in-the-Abnormally-Aggressive-Dog-by-A-Semyonova
https://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2012/10/no-one-can-be-great-thinker-who-does.html
although on the ASPCA website please note the below on the information you provided.
PLEASE NOTE: When you click on the link above, you will be accessing content on a website owned and/or maintained by a third party. The legal information on the MSUCL website is researched and provided by MSUCL, not by the ASPCA, and by clicking the link above, you acknowledge that you understand that this information is not being provided by the ASPCA. The information provided is general in nature and is not intended as legal advice. If you have legal questions or concerns, you are advised to contact appropriate counsel.
It is proper research. Why else would the ASPCA have it ?
https://17barks.blogspot.com/2013/03/a-question-about-pit-bull-owners.html
ASPCA Position Statement on Pit Bulls
“All dogs, including pit bulls, are individuals. Treating them as such, providing them with the care, training and supervision they require, and judging them by their actions and not by their DNA or their physical appearance is the best way to ensure that dogs and people can continue to share safe and happy lives together.”
https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls
They talk out both sides of their mouth – one version for public, another for their own volunteers:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/14396422/ASPCA-Guide-to-Handling-Pit-Bulls-in-Shelter-Environments
Do you suppose they have “A Guide to Handling Labrador Retrievers in Shelter Environments” Or how about “A Guide to Handling Beagles in Shelter Environments”?
Otherwise we condemn a whole “race” of dogs to the gas chambers. All too much like the attitude, predilections and behavior of Nazis* and white supremacists.
*yes, Godwin’s Law, “reduction ad Hitlerum” blahblahblah because once we have a sophmoric name for some perfectly valid comparison we can’t make it anymore. /sarc
we can go back and forth all day, now according to Karen’s research I’m an introverted psychopath with mommy issues. all I’ve seen is peoples opinions, no real government studies or statistics, not even a reputable media outlet with a story. bottomline I don’t believe in BSL laws and thats my opinion, I’m going to post one more link from FORBES I guess another “pitbull nutter” organization and then I will retire from your news article and leave you with your own perception and thoughts.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/allenstjohn/2013/02/14/in-praise-of-pit-bulls-author-jim-gorant-speaks-out-about-misunderstood-dogs-and-the-laws-aimed-at-them/
Dont forget Child endangerment with your Mommy issues.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17065657
Findings suggest that the ownership of a high-risk (“vicious”) dog can be a significant marker for general deviance and should be an element considered when assessing risk for child endangerment.
Pitties are the best and these “bans” are idiot driven. Look at the actual genetic breakdown of those being defined as “Pit’ and there’s such a mix you can’t call it a true pit. I have pits and have never been bitten but I have been bitten by a German Shepard, a Poodle and a Pinpen.
Hopefully a media outlet with a little integrity in the Aurora area will actually try and provide facts, and helpful information to their citizens about both this law and in educating people on dog bite related circumstances.
More information on the cots of this ineffective law. You think any media outlets made this known to its citizens?
“In an email from Assistant City Attorney Julie Heckman from February 2014 notes that the city has suffered many legal challenges, to which they have suffered substantial losses.
In the ADA case, Grider, Belcher and Piltz vs the City of Denver & Aurora, the city of Aurora endured more than $130,000 in legal fees associated with defending the law (in a case which they eventually lost).
They also have been challenged in their breed identification of more than 100 dogs — and ended up being wrong on the the breed ID in 77% of the cases. Again, all at taxpayer expense.”
it is not the breed…. it is HUMANS….
seriously???The city has euthanized more than 1,100 restricted-breed dogs since the ban????
what is wrong with people????
Right on People are allowing this filth to breed and passing them off as pets. Try following the law of a civil government. see below how the UK handles these animals.
https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/banned-dogs
These results do not show an overwhelming response against “pit bulls.” The citizens of Aurora also overwhelmingly defeated measure 2C which was for increased funding for public safety for police and firefighters. They also overwhelmingly defeated a road construction measure that was heavily lobbied for by a number of city council members. In fact, the only measure they approved was to tax marijuana. So what does this really mean? That people usually vote NO on ballot issues, especially ones that they don’t really understand or know the pros and cons of.
So the general population is stupid and only Pibble owners are responsible smart people. LOL.
It’s over people. PITBULLS are history. Again.
“A five-year review of dog-bite injuries from the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, published in 2009 in the journal Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, found that almost 51 percent of the attacks were from pit bulls”
“And a 2011 study from the Annals of Surgery revealed that “attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs.”
I don’t own a pit bull but I look at the issue and frame it as a consumer safety problem. If there was a product on the shelf that was as statistically dangerous as a pit bull, it would be pulled from stores and we would sue the manufacturer.
Ban guns then.
Very poor rebuttal as the gun issue can’t be addressed as a voter initiative and is protected by the Constitution. Ownership of a dog is not a constitutionally protected right. Also, if we follow the percentages, 51 percent of violent attacks do not involve guns.
At Least 194 Children Have Been Shot to Death Since Newtown
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/12/children-killed-guns-newtown-anniversary
From 2005 to 2013, pit bulls killed 176 Americans, about one citizen every 18.6 days. Pretty close don’t you think? Granted this is a greater period of time but your number of 194 is fairly close to 176 so the number by itself should be alarming to you.
I get the attachment to a dog. As a former dog owner, I understand the way a dog can become part of a family but given the statistical information, it seems reasonable to consider that pit bulls may present a greater risk than other breeds.
No, the figure 184 was for one year of child deaths under 12 years old. Almost one child every two days.
Is a life taken by a gun worth more than a life taken by a pit bull? Do you think a death by gunshot is worse than a death by being bitten, mauled and dismembered?
Then you agree on a gun ban. Since there are so many more deaths by guns.
Not in the slightest. I’m not sure how you came up with that. I asked your opinion on what type of death you would consider to be more traumatic.
Since deaths are equal, and there are way more gun deaths.
I would agree that there are more gun deaths but only because there are far more guns than pit bulls. To properly put the two in perspective, one must establish a ratio. The percentage of deaths is relatively small when one considers the total amount of guns. In contrast, the smaller pool of pit bulls measures up as a greater threat when the injury/death per dog is measured. If there were 300 million pit bulls, doesn’t it stand to reason that there would be more incidents?
33 dog fatalities a year, 10,080 gun deaths….your right, dogs are worse. /sarcasm
To really keep it in perspective, you have to consider the ratio of items to deaths. 300 million guns and 10,800 deaths is a very low death to item ratio and doesn’t really support your position well. Banning guns based on the deaths related to them is unreasonable as well. Following your logic, we should ban cars because last year there were 33,783 vehicle related fatalities (CDC). There were also 36,280 poisoning deaths (CDC). Those are triple your rate for gun related deaths. The whole gun thing is really just a red herring meant to distract from the true question of the factual, documented risk of pit bulls.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm
The risks of pit bulls is microscopic compared to guns or poisons. So guns should be banned first.
You neglect to consider that pesky constitutional protection again. The emotional component of the pit bull being a family pet makes it difficult to be objective. While this example may be a bit extreme, there are stories of a family’s pet tiger killing people and the tiger is put down.
Are you in any way willing to acknowledge that statistically speaking, a pit bull presents a greater risk of attack?
Your four times more likely to be struck by lightning. Out of millions of pits there are only a handful of fatal attacks. So statistically they are not a greater risk.
Even the U.S. Army has acknowledged that pit bulls are high-risk dogs; they are therefore prohibited in some military housing units.
Pit bulls join several other breeds on the list of dogs that are recognized as more likely to attack and cause significant injury: The Centeres for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed data and found the following breeds are implicated in a majority of dog-bite fatalities:
Pit bulls
Rottweilers
German shepherds
Many other agencies, studies and municipalities disagree with you. Of the list above, pit bulls are listed as number 1.
Higher risk than other dogs, lower risk than guns or even lightning strikes.
Pitfalls are used by many government agencies.
Not really.
1.) About 40 people (children) per year die by drowning in 5-gallon water pails. A person, during their lifetime, is 16 times more likely to drown in a 5-gallon water pail than to be killed by a Pit Bull.
2.) Approximately 50 children in the US are killed every year by their cribs – 25 times the number of children and adults killed by Pit Bulls.
3.) Approximately 150 people are killed every year by falling coconuts. Therefore, you are more than 60 TIMES MORE LIKELY to be killed by a PALM TREE than a Pit Bull.
4.) Each year, 350 people drown in their bathtubs. You are 151 times more likely to be killed by your bathtub than you are by a Pit Bull.
5) Every year, more than 2,000 children in the U.S. are killed by their parents or guardians either through abuse or neglect. A child is more than 800 times more likely to be killed by their caretaker than by a Pit Bull.
6) It can be estimated that for every Pit Bull who kills, there are 10.5 MILLION that DON’T!
https://dontbullymybreed.org
These things are either tragic accidents or deliberate, poor behavior and have no relation to the danger of a pit bull. It is easy to take any event and claim it is X times more likely than a pit bull attack. The fact that a dog can think and act on its own makes it far more dangerous.
The vast majority of pits are not dangerous. Parents are statistically 800 times as likely to kill a child, and they think and act on their own.
I don’t own a pit, so I can be objective.
Then why so vehemently defend them? You seem to lack objectivity as you will not acknowledge the data that clearly shows them to be a greater risk. Your position simply does not make sense to me. You don’t come across as a nut like some on here, you maintain civility and you try to make good points. Despite your sane manner, I don’t see why you take the stance you do.
33 compared to a thousand plus…sigh
https://data.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/gun-deaths
I can see that you are passionate about your position but you come across as disingenuous by your unreasonable failure to acknowledge the documented accounts of deaths caused by pit bulls. No one is refuting the deaths related to guns. A good point was made by another commenter that a gun needs to have someone pull a trigger to kill someone. A pit bull loose on the street can (and has) killed other dogs and people on its own with no outside influence.
There are hundred of times more accidental gun deaths than dog related one.
None-the-less, a gun still required a person to make it work regardless of whether it is intentional or accidental. A dog is able to move on its own and act on its own, unlike a gun.
Under the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention figures, in fact, gun accidents were the ninth-leading cause of unintentional deaths among children ages 1 to 14 in 2010.
You can quote gun stats all you want. No body is saying that guns don’t cause death. You keep inserting guns because it is a crutch allowing you to deflect acknowledgment of what the statistics tell us……pit bulls present an overall statistically greater risk.
If you want to keep bringing up the same gun angle feel free, I’m not going to respond to what we have agreed to already.
You seem to think 33 is more than a thousand.
I can repeat myself too……
And a 2011 study from the Annals of Surgery revealed that “attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs.”
A five-year review of dog-bite injuries from the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, published in 2009 in the journal Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, found that almost 51 percent of the attacks were from pit bulls
“Other research has found that simply having a firearm in the household is correlated with an increased risk of accidental shooting death. In one study, published in 2003 in the journal Accident Analysis and Prevention, the risk was more than three times as high for one gun, and almost four times as high for more than one.”
We already agree that a gun presents a risk. Why can’t you provide the same information that pit bulls are not a statistically greater risk. Many people have had wonderful experiences with their family pit bull but some of those same family pets have turned on a dime and killed people and other pets.
33 deaths a year out of millions of pits is not a greater risk.
You only want to include deaths to humans for the pit bulls. What about the maulings? You claim ache for the people whose pets are taken because of pit bull bans. What about the pets that are killed by pit bulls? Don’t those people deserve your sympathy?
If you include non-fatal disfiguring and maiming gun incidents it goes up exponentially for guns. There were 55,544 non-fatal injuries in 2011 .
Nice dodge.
Truth is not a dodge. You can’t justify the position that dogs are more dangerous than guns with statistics. If dogs should should be banned which pose a minimal risk, then guns should be banned which pose a much higher risk. The founders never dreamed of a day when people would be denied the right to own a dog, elswise it would be in the constitution.
There is ample precedent for banning dangerous animals. You can’t keep a cobra or a leopard. Just because the dangerous animal is a dog does not exempt it from being banned. A hyena is a dog and it is certainly dangerous. Are you proposing that the Founders would object to public safety?
Then they would support gun bans as well, since muskets are so different from modern guns.
Again with the guns?
Why are you defending guns when they kill, disfigure, and maim so many innocent children.
The same could be said of you and your support of the dogs.
I support the right to own a gun because it is legally allowed and it is a right afforded by the Constitution. Owning a dog, whether dangerous or not, is not a right. Owning a dog is a privilege that can be rescinded when that dog is deemed dangerous through no fault of the owner. That is why your reliance on the gun argument is flawed. The gun is only dangerous in the hands of a person. If a gun is placed on a table, in a room full of people and no one touches it, the gun will not cause any death. Put a pit bull in a room full of people and any number of things may cause the dog to attack. Small children can be seen as prey. A smell of food or blood may ignite a latent instinct to attack. The dog is far more dangerous as it is fully capable of acting on its own. The gun can not and will not willfully kill anyone.
Children are thousands of times more likely to be killed by a gun than a dog, 800 times as likely to be killed by a parent than a dog.
And still, the gun will absolutely not kill anyone unless a person puts it into action. The dog is autonomous and is able to freely move and act.
It can be estimated that for every Pit Bull who kills, there are 10.5 MILLION that DON’T!
For every pit bull that kills, there are ZERO guns that kill if left alone untouched.
People use guns for what they were de signed to do, kill. Children accidentally kill themselves and their companions with the innocent and inanimate gun. Guns don’t kill people, they just make it easy.
Guns do not kill people but pit bulls do. Put bulls are able to think and act on their own in stark contrast to a gun that requires someone to pull the trigger. A gun will not jump a fence or enter a 7-11 to kill another pet. The gun will do nothing on its own.
“A 10-year-old dachshund named Sebastian was killed over the weekend by a loose pit bull in a convenience store parking lot in Englewood.
The pit bull dashed inside the 7-Eleven Store, 3131 S. Broadway, when the front door opened and grabbed Sebastian, who was on a leash and had been hiding behind his owner’s mobility scooter”.
https://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25793524/pit-bull-attacks-kills-dachshund-englewood-store-parking
The majority of homicides are committed with guns, thousands a year.
All dog breed fatalities average only about 30 per year.
At Least 9,900 People Have Died From Guns In The U.S. Since The Newtown Shooting: Slate
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/28/gun-deaths-since-newtown_n_4165061.html
an 11-year-old in Frazeysburg, Ohio who died when he was unintentionally shot in the chest while at another 11-year-old’s home.
a 9-year-old in Albion, New York who was injured when his teen brother unintentionally shot him in the arm while playing with a gun he took from an elderly relative.
a 3-year-old in Houston, Texas who was hospitalized after he found a loaded gun in a nightstand and unintentionally shot himself in the foot.
a 13-year-old in Bluffton, Indiana who lost an eye and may have suffered brain damage after he was unintentionally shot in the eye by another teen.
a 3-year-old in Hopewell, Virginia who was in critical condition after he was unintentionally shot by his twin brother
a 3-year-old in Joplin, Missouri who died while playing with a loaded gun with her 6-year-old brother in a bedroom of their home.
an 18-month-old in Payson, Arizona who died after his 3-year-old brother unintentionally shot him in the head with a gun that they found while visiting a 78-year-old friend of their mother at a nearby apartment.
a 15-year-old from Carlton, Georgia who died when his father unintentionally shot his son with a loaded rifle as they were putting a boat in the Broad River during a father-son outing. They had the rifle in case they saw a wild hog.
a 10-year-old in Cabot, Vermont who died after he was unintentionally shot in the abdomen.
a 4-year-old in Houston, Texas was hospitalized after she was shot in the leg by her 10-year-old cousin who had found a rifle in a closet.
a 6-year-old in San Antonio, Texas who died after she was unintentionally shot in the face while she and her 8-year-old sister played with loaded handgun.
a 6-year-old in Indianapolis, Indiana who was hospitalized after she unintentionally shot herself in the arm with a gun that she found in a bedroom of an apartment that she was visiting with her parents.
a 4-year-old in North Charleston, South Carolina who died after he unintentionally shot himself in the head with a gun that he found while visiting his grandparents.
a 4-year-old in Merrillville, Indiana who died after he unintentionally shot himself in the head with a loaded gun that he found stored on a high shelf in a closet.
a 4-year-old in Summerville, North Carolina who died after he unintentionally shot himself in the head with a .25-caliber Taurus pistol while visiting his grandmother.
a 6-year-old in San Antonio, Texas who died after she was unintentionally shot in the face while she and her 8-year-old sister were handling a shotgun in their backyard.
a 4-year-old in Merrillville, Indiana who died after he shot himself in the head with a gun that he found in his parent’s bedroom. The gun was stored, loaded on a high shelf in a closet.
a 17-year-old in Decatur, Tennessee who died after he was unintentionally shot in the head while giving his stepmother a hug, causing the .380-caliber handgun she was holding to fire.
a 4-year-old in Detroit, Michigan who died after he was unintentionally shot by his cousin who had found a rifle under a bed while the two were playing in a bedroom.
a 2-year-old in Cooper County, Missouri, died after shooting himself in the head with a handgun that “he got a hold of” in his house.
a 3-year-old in Loris, South Carolina, near Myrtle Beach, died after shooting himself in the head with a pistol that he found in the car.
a 5-year-old in Belleville, Illinois, near St. Louis, was accidentally shot in the head with a shotgun by his 10-year-old brother.
a 3-year-old in Maryland Heights, Missouri, near St. Louis, who shot himself once in the chest, died. He found the gun in his parents bedroom, one of whom is a police officer.
a 2-year-old was shot in the head by his 5-year-old brother in Connersville, Indiana who was playing with a gun he found in a bedroom. The boy, a twin, died of the gun shot.
a 3-year-old in St. Louis, Missouri who died after she shot herself in the head with a gun she found tucked between two mattresses.
a 6-year-old who was shot and killed by his 11-year-old stepbrother, in what was initially thought to be an accident, but the boy is now facing possible murder charges. The two boys were left home alone at the time of the shooting in Martinsville, Indiana.
a 10-year-old in Bay St. Louis, Mississippi died after he shot himself with his grandfather’s gun that he found in his nightstand. He would have been going into the fifth grade next fall.
a 15-year-old from Cherry Hill, Baltimore was shot in the head and killed by a 12-year-old friend who was playing with the gun during a sleepover.
a 5-year-old from Bossier City, Louisiana found a loaded handgun a cabinet in his home, and accidentally shot and killed himself.
a 2-year-old near Fresno, California found a loaded, semi-automatic handgun in his home, walked into a bedroom with the gun, and it fired, striking and killing his 6-year-old sister.
a 3-year-old in South Carolina was shot in his upper boy by his uncle who was cleaning his gun when it accidentally fire. The toddler died in emergency surgery.
a 2-year-old in Georgia was shot in the back by a 9 or 10-year-old who found a gun in a van they were all playing in while the toddler’s family was preparing to move to a new apartment.
a 2-year-old in Phoenix was shot in the face with a handgun by her 8-year-old brother, who thought he was playing with a toy gun he found on the floor of his grandfather’s apartment.
a 3-year-old in Summerville, South Carolina who died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to her head after finding a loaded, unsecured handgun on the window sill of her parent’s bedroom
a 5-year-old in Telferner, Texas who shot his 4-year-old brother in the abdomen with a rifle they were playing with in their home. His brother died from the gun shot wound.
a 2-year-old in Missouri who died after he accidentally shot himself in the head after finding a loaded handgun on a shelf in the closet of his parent’s bedroom
an 11-year-old in Indianapolis who was accidentally shot by his brother
three children in Houston who were hurt when a 6-year-old accidentally fired a gun he had brought to school
an 8-year-old in Alabama who died from an accidental shotgun blast
a 2-year-old in Vermont who died after he was accidentally shot with a rifle by a sibling
a 10-year-old who lost use of his right eye after being shot by an older teen cousin while they were playing with a gun that they thought was unloaded
a 3-year-old in North Carolina who shot and killed himself
a 4-year-old who accidentally shot a 12-year-old in Louisiana while playing with a rifle they found in a closet
There are thousands of cases like these.
Yes there are hundreds and they are sad. Do you believe the deaths caused by a pit bull to be any less tragic? The one thing that distinguishes them from the pit bull attack is that someone had to pull a trigger. With the pit bull, nobody but the dog attacked. We can exchange like this indefinitely but nothing will change the fact that a gun is incapable of independent action. It requires a person to make it work. The dog is willful and able to undertake action of its own volition.
Death by dog happens four times less often than lightning strikes.
Willful gun deaths:
The nation averages 87 gun deaths each day as a function of gun violence, with an average of 183 injured, according to the University of Chicago Crime Lab and the Centers for Disease Control. The crime lab’s research estimates the annual cost of gun violence to society at $100 billion.
It’s been interesting. We will agree to disagree. You either are deliberately ignoring the distinction or we are unable to communicate effectively to each other.
“Guns are an unfortunate and dangerous reality in the lives of our children and adolescents. It is estimated that 50 million Americans own over 200 million guns. Over one-third of all homes contain guns, and despite continuing educational efforts, the majority of these guns are kept loaded, unlocked and potentially accessible to children. Research indicates that if a gun is stored in a home, the risk of homicide increases threefold and the risk of suicide increases fivefold. Guns also are 43 times as likely to be used to kill a family member or someone known to a family than to kill a stranger.”
You seem skilled at offering the writings of others. I’d be interested in sharing your original opinions on this issue.
I do research , I have a neurological illness and typing is difficult. I find information that I think is relevant.
Fair enough.
I know the distinction between animals which are each unique with individual temperaments and guns which are all designed to kill.
There in lays your failing. you are unable to see past your own myopic predispositions to understand the difference between an inanimate object and a living creature. In addition to being designed to kill, guns, like a dog, can also protect. The difference is that the gun will not rip a child’s neck apart for sport.
The statistics are against you, guns are willfully used to kill children all the time. Being inanimate does not make it less deadly, it is more so.
When someone pulls a trigger, it’s willful.
True and that is my point. The gun requires a willful act in addition to the gun itself while the pit bull needs no external action applied to it. The pit bull will act all by itself. You support my premise wisely.
Similarly, I have no doubt, possession of screwdrivers is correlated with people stabbing themselves in the hand!
They should be banned too!
You’re making my point for me, with only 33 dog related deaths a year it’s an insignificant problem.
Perhaps you feel that way using the figure on its own. If you look at it analytically, the real number is 0.000036 percent of guns are involved in a death.
Which is 33 times higher than dog related deaths.
So you finally acknowledge that the dogs are responsible for dozens of deaths. Thank you.
Never disputed it, you haven’t been paying attention.
33 dog related deaths a year on average, gun deaths 1000’s.
You should read that document carefully. It’s writers spell out the absence of reliable data regarding the prevalence of particular dog breeds; their data does not factor in the prevalence of dog breeds to ascertain the actual likelihood of a particular breed to be involved in a DBRF (Dog Bite Related Fatality). Also, the data is based on an assumption as to a causal relationship between dog breed and dog behavior, when the American Veterinary Association’s position is that the quality of dog training and supervision has a far greater influence on dog behavior.
That said, the CDC document presents data which strongly suggests that Rottweilers are far more likely to be killers than pit bulls–and yet there is nary a peep from you about outlawing that breed.
Here’s a particularly interesting quote:
DBRF have varied over time. Pinckney and Kennedy13 studied human DBRF from May 1975 through April 1980 and listed the following breeds as responsible for the indicated number of deaths: German Shepherd Dog (n = 16); Husky-type dog (9); Saint Bernard (8); Bull Terrier (6); Great Dane (6); Malamute (5); Golden Retriever (3); Boxer (2); Dachshund (2); Doberman Pinscher (2); Collie (2); Rottweiler (1); Basenji (1); Chow Chow (1); Labrador Retriever (1); Yorkshire Terrier (1); and mixed and unknown breed (15). As ascertained from our data, between 1979 and 1980, Great Danes caused the most reported human DBRF; between 1997 and 1998, Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs were responsible for about 60% of human DBRF
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Indeed, since 1975, dogs belonging to more than 30 breeds have been responsible for fatal attacks on people, including Dachshunds, a Yorkshire Terrier, and a Labrador Retriever.
Again, all this is based on Press Accounts. The fact that the U.S. news media has turned into an infotainment source means that it produces stories which are gripping and seem true–not stories which can be relied upon to be factual.
I think the discussion of guns above is somewhat (somewhat!) misleading. I think a better analogy is trucks. Trucks are responsible for a higher percentage of highway deaths than their numbers would suggest. If licensing for drivers in general were too lax–and it is!–then statistics would tend to justify moves to ban them from the roadways. If such large trucks concurrently became “trendy” for a minority of irresponsible people bent on violence or thuggish behavior–with little inherent abilities for controlling their vehicles–the trucks reputation would suffer even further.
The point is that the danger by and large does not come from the breed, it comes from people who have them.
The people who own pit bulls seem to absolutely be part of the equation. The pit bull owner has morphed into a cartoonish thug image (not all owners, just a prevalent social construct) and that thug image perpetuates the negative image associated with the dog.
I’d be willing to concede that the environment that the dog is raised in could contribute to its demeanor. But the facts support that, as a percentage of attacks, pit bulls are the bigger cause.
Gun needs a human to pull the trigger. Pit bull you only need to leave a gate open or let it jump off your 2nd story balcony and it will kill. Murder by pit bull rarely ends up with an appropriate criminal charge and pit bull advocates knows this.
actually there’s more deaths by natural causes. everybody dies. I think what you mean to say is premature deaths.
Thats why there needs to be more education, not laws. Look up the current laws on guns in america. Im surprised you can still own one! I love guns. My kids love guns. It’s the education that’s crucial for the development of respect towards guns.if you take away guns there will be no need for education on guns and when children run across them they don’t know how to use them and they don’t know what damage can be caused when handling a gun in appropriately. Currently it is the parents responsibility to teach about gun safety. And I think it should be left that way.
“Injuries from firearms send an estimated 7,000 kids to the ER every year, and an additional 3,000 children die from gunshot wounds before they can get to a hospital, according to a new study published in the journal Pediatrics. Doctors are pointing to the new data as further evidence of the serious public health toll that gun violence takes on America’s youth. ”
https://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/01/27/3206581/kids-gun-violence-killed-injuries/
Given that there are over 300 million guns in the US, your numbers equate to a much smaller percentage of death by gun when compared to the number of pit bull deaths in relation the the number of pit bulls. 10000 deaths by gun is much less percentage wise when compared to the ratio of pit bulls to deaths.
Epidemic: Guns kill twice as many kids as cancer does
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/11/guns-child-deaths-more-than-cancer/2073259/
I’m not advocating your guns be taken, deadly as they are. I think taking away peoples pets is more despicable considering how much less risk they are than guns. I don’t own or have ever owned a pit, but I’v worked with them as an animal shelter volunteer. They all get spayed and neutered and if they fail an aggression test they are put down. Laws against backyard breeding and making dog owners responsible are good, just like reasonable gun control laws are good.
Perhaps a compromise can be reached.Nutters always blame the owners, normal people want to be able to walk safely without fear of mauling or death. The UK seems to have a handle on this better than we do and ALLOWS those majority of dogs to be listed on an Index of Exempted Dogs (IED)
https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/banned-dogs
We should adopt the UK firearm laws.
Lol..Nutter what a stupid word….you and Karen and her many profiles have no clue..Sorry to say you are racist and judgmental..unbelievable you even have a brain sheeple!
Your comment, “Sorry to say you are racist and judgmental..unbelievable you even have a brain sheeple!”
From personal experience I find that the people who claim pit bull “racism” are usually the most racist. It is a very insensitive thing to compare minorities to pit bull dogs.
Not you again…Look you are on the losing end! I don’t want to hear your sad story..
Didn’t you hear BSL is on the losing end of this!
So eat a fat one
You are a very uneducated person. Racism has nothing to do with dog breeding. Typical nutter. No money, on SSI and welfare too.
Lol!
You are so funny..No SSI or welfare here you stupid white trash whore! That’s why you changed your nasty ass photo…lol
WHO is the racist? You know you are a welfare baby. That woman was smoking too btw. Right on racist homi!
lol..I’m from italy..You dumb ass white trash..Here is no welfare.
You are not white then? thanks for the clarification. Your cousins here will appreciate that. Learn from you northern masters how to control your dogs. https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/banned-dogs
Lol…you are too funny and ridiculous at the same time get a life…
Guns don’t kill people dude… People kill people with guns… hammers… axes… cars…
Right, your thousands of more times likely to be killed by a “people” than a dog.
And? We can’t ban humans. Whats your point? People contribute to society (some more than others). Dogs do not (rare occasions do they save a life)
So with your logic, let’s throw all the laws out the window that concern murders. After all the murderers are discriminated against just like the pit bulls are.
Logical fallacies is your method of argument.
LOL, you are such a hoot !! You lost, the people have spoken, they didn’t believe your crap. Can anyone say sore loser?
The tide is turning against BSL , you are losing.
Now I really am laughing at you. Oh yes, the tide is turning, Aurora just failed to know that. Miami did too. You lost, get over it. People are showing up in the voters box to let you know that. Expect more of these votes, you are the loser.
Aurora is only on place. BSLis rejected more than accepted overall. Cry yourself to sleep.
Oh boy, you do know how to tell tall tales, don’t you? Our own military bans pits from base housing. HUD does the same. Here’s a few more that have BSL. https://www.dogsbite.org/legislating-dangerous-dogs-state-by-state.php
Best Fiends, huh? Here’s a tad on those defenders of pit bulls. You’ll love this. Shows the types that are attracted to the number one canine killer ever. https://www.opposingviews.com/i/best-friends-of-utah-the-process-church-of-the-final-judgment-to-animal-society
Irrelevant.
Most folks want to know who is mixing the koolaid they’re drinking. Not in your case, huh. Shades of Jim Jones.
Facts are not invalidated by Ad Hominem attacks.
You’re telling someone else that? LOL
It’s official, today, the Utah Governor signed their law which now prohibits any city or municipality from instituting any type of law or policy targeting specific breeds of dogs.
The signing of the bill joins them with South Dakota as two states that have passed such laws in this legislative session. Utah is now the 19th state to prohibit laws targeting specific breeds, joining South Daktoa, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Nevada, Connecticut, Maine, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Minnesota, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Illinois, Colorado, California and South Carolina with similar laws.
Meanwhile, Missouri HB 1116/SB 865 is a nearly identical bill that has been passed out of committee in both houses and now await a hearing on the main floor of the council. Missouri has a chance to join these other progressive states in forcing communities to deal with dangerous dogs based on the behavior of the dogs, not breeds. Expert opinion overwhelmingly supports breed-neutral solutions to dangerous dog laws — now nearly 1/2 of all US states do to.
Whoopee. Now that those states, cities can be shown that the popular vote doesn’t want pit bulls, can you say repeal? I can. LOL
Repeals.
“Last night, Clayton, MO (Population 16,000) in suburban St. Louis UNANIMOUSLY voted to repeal its ban on “pit bulls”. Instead, the laws will now deem any animal to be dangerous “based on demonstrated conduct and characteristics and not mere assumptions….”
I’ve not read the full context of the bill, but it sounds like they followed through with details for behavior-based standards, as well as an appeal and hearing process to protect owners as well.
Meanwhile, in Pennsylvania, Bradford City (Population 9,000) passed a measure to remove “pit bulls” from it’s dangerous dog list. In this case it was brouth to the city’s attention that the law violated Article V Sec 459-509A of the Pennsylvania State statutes that prohibit municipalities from enacting laws targeting specific breeds.
Thus, the city solicitor and the police chief looked at the issue and said they wanted the law “off the books.” And now, it is.
Then, 11 days ago, Waterloo, WI passed a repeal of its breed specific law.
These communities have now joined Canton Township, MI; and Bonner Springs, KS; in repealing their breed-specific laws already this year.
This is FIVE communities already this year that have repealed their breed bans in favor of breed-neutral, behavior based laws. It’s January 29th. Others, likeAurora, CO; are also currently looking at repeals.
Six years ago it was rare for a community to repeal its breed ban. However, now, cities are overwhelmingly deciding to replace their breed-targeted laws with breed neutral laws that focus on the the bahavior of the dogs (and owners). Having five communities in a single month (which isn’t over yet) repeal their bans is a huge testiment to how quickly the tide is turning.
Logic, common sense, and the advice of experts is taking priority over the “hysteria of the moment.” This is good for communities. And good for dogs. And good for pet owners. It’s great to see the turning tide.”
The nation averages 87 gun deaths each day, with an average of 183 injured per day, according to the Centers for Disease Control. The annual cost of gun violence to society is about $100 billion.
Dogs attacks account for about 1 death every two weeks. Four time fewer than lightning strikes.
Pit bull advocates have no interest in fixing the pit bull problem.
Exactly!
FU too!
You’ll never win..
When we look at all the pit bull propaganda we see that pit bull advocates blame everything except the pit bull dog. The pit bull dog is the center of the issue. Sure, there are contributing factors but the center of the issue is the pit bull dog which is never addressed by the pit bull advocacy groups.
Pit bull advocates don’t even seek to limit the breeding of pit bulls which flood shelters and use up valuable space for more appropriate/safe pets.
No… You need to be fixed a-hole!
When people vote 2 to 1 in favor of BSL there is a pit bull problem. Your failure to acknowledge and fix the problem is the reason we have BSL.
Blame it on yourselves.
You lose again… F U C K the BSL!
Breed Specific Legislation is consistently being repealed or rejected more than it is being passed or considered.
Put it to the people’s vote and you will see the silent majority enact BSL. This is only the start.
Feed pitbulls to the mountain lions. Two birds, one stone. Nature’s happy and you gave them a “fighting” chance. Thats what my dad stated. Lol.
Feed you to mountain lions.. You f a g hag!
They already tried… Didn’t work out so well for the lion…
Stupid person..
I agree…
Hahaha..You lose!
BSL banned!
Right on! BSL is thuggery.
California is one of those states and is also number one in deaths by pit bulls. Texas is number two in deaths by pits and guess what, they are also anti-BSL. Get the picture??
The two state with the highest populations of people . DUH
U.S. fatal pit bull attacks have surpassed 244 since 1998; the last year the CDC studied fatal dog attack data. In the last 8-year period of the CDC study (1991 to 1998), pit bulls averaged 2.8 deaths per year. From 2006 to 2013, the most recent 8-year period, pit bulls averaged 20 per year, over 700% more. https://www.fatalpitbullattacks.com/
They’ll never get ride of the pit bull here in California…So nice try..
Wanna bet? The Modesto media is calling for BSL. That’s the beginning. We will ‘get ride’ of the pits here, I guarantee it. If you want a ride, call a cab. https://www.modbee.com/opinion/editorials/article3499964.html#/tabPane=tabs-4ff26f4f-1
first of all Modesto California where the crime is so high and gang activity is high…. I could see why they would vote against the pitbull…. Modesto so ghetto are you kidding me
The BLS is a joke..it’s against the 8th amendment..
I would never set foot in Modesto California you kidding me… That is the nastiest place in California yuck!
I could see why they would try to get rid of pitbulls…. because of the gang members! I’m sure they teach those dogs to fight…Poor dogs!
Nice try again!
So before 1998 they were 700% less aggressive, how’s that possible?
BSL is bull!
This shows just how pathetic your voters are. Colleen Lynn is nothing but a liar!
You lost in Miami/Dade as well by an overwhelming landslide. Let the people vote, we’ll show you that pits aren’t accepted by society as a whole. You Lost Big Time, get over it.
https://positively.com/victorias-blog/the-truth-about-pit-bulls/
Can People Cause Their Dogs to Bite?
Yes. All too often people get pit bull types and fail to give them the outlets they need, or worse, turn them into loaded weapons. Their ‘gameness’ and desire to please tends to attract the wrong kind of people who use them to enhance personal image and status, or as protection for themselves or their families. Many pit bull types are kept in the yard tethered to a chain their entire lives, causing hyper-reactivity and fear which has on occasion led to disaster. Until authorities take more notice of the other end of the leash and hold people accountable for their dogs’ behavior, the situation will remain the same.
Link, do you know what a link is? Why should anyone listen to your editorial? Provide the link? And now, in this day and age, it is NOT chained pits that are killing, it is those pits sleeping at the foot of their master that are killing.
I’m sorry what? I did i hear something? Coming from someone who lives in Modesto nasty as place..
Oh no the MEDIA is against my Pibble. It be a conspiracy. LOL
What? White trash..
LOL – Your EngRish is that bad? No kapish?
My English is perfectly fine you white trash whore..
BTW… I know I’m white… But you look like white trash to me!
I think your face is that bad lol
you change your profile picture cuz your butt ass ugly thats why
Billy Gibbons would not appreciate you using his photo as your profileprofile pic!
Is that why you took that T-Rex off yours racist?
Whore…
No more race comments pisan? You little fool. Enjoy SolCal.
don’t believe the hype ok sheeple
have a nice nite white trash
What can do when you are up against someone who dislikes the PIT BULL..Just don’t waste your time.I think both of you are very inmature..
https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/pit-bulls-attack-child-in-front-of-westwood-home
Child loses her tongue for life –
“They grabbed her on the side of the jaw and basically ripped her jaw out,” said Zainabou’s aunt, Gina Tyus.
The UK list of banned dogs allows for exceptions. If your dog is banned but the court thinks it’s not a danger to the public, it may put it on the IED and let you keep it.
see below https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/banned-dogs
You’ll be given a Certificate of Exemption. This is valid for the life of the dog.
Your dog must be:
neutered
tattooed
microchipped
kept on a lead and muzzled at all times when in public
kept in a secure place so it can’t escape
As the owner, you must:
take out insurance against your dog injuring other people
be aged over 16
show the Certificate of Exemption when asked by a police officer or council dog warden, either at the time or within 5 days
let the IED know if you change address, or your dog dies
Ridiculous…
It’s PIT BULL 😉
It is Pibble that is how it sounds when you stinking filth say it.
Why so much hate?
It is personal. These dogs and or those kinds of people that own them need to be regulated as they are in the United Kingdom.
https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/banned-dogs
There are a lot of respectful people who own these types of dogs….Sorry that I was very rude for you to be saying that.
I’m not going to waste my time with you..You sound like you have a lot of hate and very closed minded.. Have good night.
there is a link..Are we stupid?
The problem you have it that your “education” is wrong in both content and audience.
Direct your education towards pit bull owners and remind them that pit bulls were bred as fighting breed dogs. They possess the temperament and breed specific behaviors to kill other dogs.
If pit bull advocacy had done this from the start there would not be BSL because there would be very few pit bull victims. Instead you promote them as pets and “nanny dogs”, putting tutus on them, and claiming they are “just like any other dog”, they are not and therein is the problem with pit bull dogs.
Now you see that the silent majority’s concern for safety trumps your fighting breed dogs.
What are you a f****** teacher now? what do you know about Pit bulls other than the biased media that you listen to…you think you’re right about everything you’re full of s*** you need educate yourself..maybe you need to get a pitbull maybe you’ll see how beautiful and tender they can be… Not every dog is a bad dog you moron!
Your comment, “you need educate yourself”
If you read and understood my previous comment, you’d understand that the people who need educating about pit bull dogs are the pit bull owners. Stop trying to “educate” everyone with nonsense. Pit bulls are fighting breed dogs and if they seem to be “good pets” it’s in spite of being a pit bull dog, not because of being a pit bull.
Do you think you’re above all… I think not! You’re wrong and you know it!
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
-John Adams
Repeals of BSL.
Where’s the link? We want the link. We want to see who puts this out. Can you say biased source unless you provide the source? Try again.
https://www.tumblr.com/search/BSL
The people have spoken and what they said was “We don’t believe your crap”, Jones. You lost, they don’t believe you. Give it up.
Cry yourself to sleep.
Here are the PIT HEROES!!
https://bslnews.org/pit-bull-heroes-hall-of-fame/
Fear not, people. There are still people like these in the world to prove differently!
They should all be put to sleep or donated to the local vet university for cadaver dogs.
You are one stupid B I T C H! Show me a link that a pit bull did this…Proof would be nice…..
This is what is more typical of pits.
More typical pit behavior for 8 million dogs.
You really are good at name calling. I’m glad you found a way around profanity blocks here, c u n t l i c k e r!
Lol..
She started with the name calling.. So I had to finish it..I’m not going to let some white trash b I t c h call me any names sorry.. Its called freedom of speech you don’t like it don’t read it..
Silly Italian – You claimed I was racist for thinking Pibbles need to be regulated as they are in the UK. THEN she states all this “white” this “white” that. LOL SO STUPID you dont even know that you are the racist.
You would not believe proof if it bit you hairy ass. Here is one. Is it a lie?
https://www.wbtw.com/story/23921405/nc-woman-killed-when-she-goes-to-feed-boyfriends-2-pitbulls-police-say
If I saw you on streets.. You wouldn’t be flapping your gums
LOL – I would be holding my nose.
F U your links!
How many links would it take? How many dead women and children?
https://www.kalb.com/story/26203567/ohio-woman-dead-after-being-attacked-by-her-daughters-pit-bull
You are still nasty..don’t be so mad lady..
This was a child from just a few months ago whose own Grandfathers dog did this. You would not believe the link or proof anyway. Do your own research. Sasquatch.
Sasquatch.. You wish b I t c h..I’m 5″ 6 and 125….lol
You maybe but as you did say your are Italian (hairy and not white right). You threw out racist comment about being white. Try not to strain your attention too hard. This is about saving children from animals that are just like any other dog UNTIL the switch is flipped.
Then kissy face pibbles turns into an African Lion.
https://www.facebook.com/hunterkilbournsrecovery
Your just mad cuz I saw your ugly ass white nasty body at the beach..
or is it this one? There are SO MANY that I can not keep them straight. Does not matter because your are a Pitbble yourself.
https://www.wcjb.com/local-news/2014/08/child-dies-after-being-attacked-two-dogs
Its PIT BULL…you tard!
dieselrae999 where you be home girl?
Hopefully they will become beloved family members.
Until this happens…
Or this…
Very cute… I have four pit bulls and I love them very dearly;)
How millions of pits and babies interact.
Gameness, an exclusive pit bull trait
Anyone who has ever witnessed Pit Bull aggression is usually shocked by the level of ferocity these dogs display. The come hard, with everything they have, and do not stop coming.
Society & Animals Journal of Human-Animal Studies
Managing the Stigma of Outlaw Breeds: A Case Study of Pit Bull Owners
Tufts Center for Animals and Public Policy
Managing the Stigma of Outlaw Breeds: A Case Study of Pit Bull Owners (2000)
In the face of this stigma, respondents resorted to using a variety of interactional strategies to lessen the impact of this perception or prevent it from occurring.
These strategies included passing their dogs as breeds other than pit bulls, denying that their behavior is biologically determined, debunking adverse media coverage, using humor, emphasizing counter-stereotypical behavior, avoiding stereotypical equipment or accessories, taking preventive measures, or becoming BREED AMBASSADORS.
Journal of Interpersonal Violence
Volume 21 Number 12 December 2006
Ownership of High-Risk (“Vicious”) Dogs as a Marker for Deviant Behaviors
Implications for Risk Assessment
“The analysis revealed that owners of HR (high risk) dogs had significantly more criminal convictions and traffic citations in all categories except crimes involving children.”
“Professionals such as child and adult protection investigators, law enforcement officers, pediatricians and medical practitioners, home visiting professionals, domestic violence investigators, and public health nurses may find it useful to be informed about the breed and specific behaviors of the dogs that share the environment with their clients. First, be aware that the dog breed, ESPECIALLY OWNING A PIT BULL, MAY BE A RISK MARKER.”
Pit bull aggression, the pit bull’s grip n’ rip behavior, and other dog fighting behaviors are not “trained”, it is not learned, it is behavior selectively bred into pit bull dogs by dog fighters for over a century.
“Laws that ban particular breeds of dogs do not achieve these aims and instead create the illusion, but not the reality, of enhanced public safety. Notably, there are no statewide laws that discriminate based on dog breed, and 18 states have taken the proactive step of expressly banning laws that single out particular breeds for disparate legal treatment. Even the White House has weighed in against laws that target specific breeds. In a a statement issued in 2013, President Obama said “[w]e don’t support breed-specific legislation—research shows that bans on certain types of dogs are largely ineffective and often a waste of public resources. And the simple fact is that dogs of any breed can become dangerous when they’re intentionally or unintentionally raised to be aggressive.”
All dogs, including pit bulls, are individuals. Treating them as such, providing them with the care, training and supervision they require, and judging them by their actions and not by their DNA or their physical appearance is the best way to ensure that dogs and people can continue to share safe and happy lives together.”
https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls
Agree!
Let me ask a question. In Aurora or any city that has banned Pits will the odds of a fatal Pit Bull attack increase, decrease or stay the same? Please try to answer using only one of the above responses. I will bet that you can not as you are neither logical, rational or reasonable.
There have been no fatal pit bull attacks in Aurora.
She must have not done her homework..
How many females do you know named Stephen?
You sound like you would be a female.. Sorry:/
How to write like a female? Classic
Just from reading your comments,You sound like you would be a woman…fighting with the guest.. It sounded like a cat fight.. Sorry Sir…
Again….Could you attempt to honestly answer the question.
In Aurora or any city that has banned Pits will the odds of a fatal Pit Bull attack increase, decrease or stay the same IF the Pit ban is lifted?
There are three possible responses. It is a fair question. You too Cristina see who is “closed minded”
About the same 1 in 145,000,000.
You’re avoiding the question because you know the answer. If they lift the ban, your chances of getting bitten increase. Was that so hard to admit? If they continue the ban, your chances of getting bitten by a pitbull are… zero.
“There was a study in the United Kingdom concerning whether breed specific legislation works. This study, reported in Canadian Veterinarian in 2005, examined the frequency and severity of dog-bite injuries at a Dundee hospital accident and emergency department. The study showed, two years after breed specific legislation and covering a period of three months, that the number of bites was the same. Before the legislation was put into effect there were 99 bites in the three-month period, 3% of which were by pit bull types. In the second study of three months, two years after the ban was implemented, there were 99 dog bites, 5% were by pit bull types.”
If there was a ban and people followed the law by getting rid of their pitbulls, how many bites by pitbulls would there be? The ban was ineffective due to the implementations and stipulations. That law allowed remaining pitbulls to stay but no new ones were allowed. In essence, the same pitbulls were repeat offenders. Get rid of the pitbulls, then no pitbulls would bite or attack. Seems simple enough to understand. And don’t start with guns. Constitutionally protected! Won’t happen! Pitbulls aren’t. Is happening!
“And don’t start with guns. ”
Since you mention it, you’re Constitutionally 600 times as likely to be killed by a gun than a dog.
If you illegally hurt or kill someone with your gun, you will be criminally charged with a felony. If your pit bull hurts or kills someone you will usually not be charged with any crime and get a citation of loose dog.
All you have to do to avoid felony charged if your pit bull exercises it’s fighting breed genetics is throw your hands up in the air and say “never shown signs of aggression”. You should also get your pibbles back to further torment the victims you and your pit bull created.
The NRA claims that adult criminals are more likely to be responsible for fatally shooting kids, but the investigation found accidental child shootings were actually more likely to be self-inflicted or perpetrated by another kid.
Younger kids were more likely to shoot themselves. Half of the self-inflicted shootings were kids under 5, and the most common age was 3
Nothing in your comment addresses the pit bull problem. You’ve pretty much said nothing.
Actually he has..You just don’t listen..that’s the problem with you crazy people!
go get a job
You fail to address the pit bull problem and pimping out pits is not a job.
Enjoy your life of ignorance.
you fail to address the *human* problem, you fail to address the *hate* problem, you fail to take responsibility for the prejudiced *advice* that you pimp out, you fail ….miserably
Pit bull owners are too ignorant to solve their own pit bull problem. That’s why we have BSL for pit bull dogs.
Pit bulls were bred to kill another dog in “the pit” in the most inhumane way possible. Accept this simple fact and act accordingly. Stop allowing your pit bulls to get loose to maul and kill people and their pets.
you must get awfully dizzy talking in circles all the time
How do I talk in circles? I try to be very clear in what I say.
BSL is nonsense
sure mate keep making things up. Any family that adopts a Pit will need to read the latest story on the disemboweled 5 year old boy.
Jones gets all his information from pit bull advocacy groups and businesses who have monetary interests in pit bull dogs.
No study produced by these types of groups could be considered legitimate. I’d love to read a study by one of these groups where the pit bull problem is honestly addressed.
ASPCA huh? https://www.aspca.org/fight-cruelty/dog-fighting/dog-fighting-faq
Can All Dogs Be Trained to Fight?
No. Much like herding dogs, trailing dogs and other breeds selected for particular roles, fighting dogs are born ready for the training that will prepare them to succeed in the pit, and are bred to have a high degree of dog aggression.
The nation averages 87 gun deaths each day, with an average of 183 injured per day, according to the Centers for Disease Control. The annual cost of gun violence to society is about $100 billion.
Priorities?
Trying to deflect attention away Oh Great and powerful Oz? Firearms are well regulated are they not? Is it not time to regulate the breed of dog that has killed and maimed more people and animals every year for over thirty years than every other breed combined? Try to be a fair minded and attempted to answer the question below.
“Famous Pit Bull Owners
Many a famous people such as Rachel Ray, Ashley Olsen, Pink, Jessica Alba, Jesse James ( West Coast Choppers) Fred Astaire, President Roosevelt, Jack Dempsy, Thomas Edison, Madonna, Michael J Fox, Brad Pitt, Bernadette Peters, Sinbad, Alicia Silverstone, Linda Blair, Humphrey Bogart, Usher, Mel Brooks, Ann Bancroft, John Stuart, Jan Michael Vincent, Pink (the singer), Kelli Williams (Actress from The Practice), Ken Howard (Father in Crossing Jordon – his Pit Shadow saved his life), Malcolm Jamal Warner, Stephan Jenkins, Rosie Perez, Amanda Lewis, Amy Jo Johnson, Mary Tyler Moore, Steve and Terrie Erwin (Crockhunters), Jack Johnson (Hawaiian singer), Bill Berloni (Broadway show dog trainer who has said that the Pit is the breed of choice for training), Anthony Robbins, Molly Price (Actress from Third Watch), President Woodrow Wilson, Frankie Muniz, AJ Mclean, Barbara Eden, and even Helen Keller have been lucky enough to own this magnificent animal.
Well known sports figures who own Pit Bulls include: Tennis Star Serena Williams (Bambi), Professional Basketball Players Desmond Mason (Zane, Capone), Rashard Lewis (Cookie, Angel, Ginger), Amare Stoudemire (JT, Ace, Deuce), Alton Ford (Mischif, Rosy, Spicey, Diable +3 pups with names unknown), Tamika Dixon and Mo Vaughn.”
Just because you are famous doesn’t mean you are smart. Did you ever stop to think why they have those dog’s. ..Cheaper than having a full time bodyguard and criminal charges wouldn’t be brought upon them when their dog kills in defending them.
I notice a lot of football players with pit bulls and they end up settling out of court. Not just Michael Vic.
How about these pit bull owners.
Michael Vic – ’nuff said.
John P colby – Famous breeder and dog fighter.
Steve Foley – Charges were dropped against football player STEVE FOLEY for the 2008 fatal mauling of his neighbor’s puppy and his neighbor Twana Schulz.
Rachel Ray – Her pit bull just can’t stop attacking other people’s pets.
Kim Richards – and her 4 time human biter. Now involved in a lawsuit.
They will never get rid of these type dogs ever… so you’re just wasting your breath save it for something that really matters…
Michael Vick trained his dog’s to kill other innocent pit bulls who were not vicious…They would tied them up and taped their mouths shut…. They were defenseless!! shut your f****** mouth!!That was absolutely horrible!!!
Get a life! You are full of hate..the world should worry about people like you! I know you are Karen.. With all your bull s*** profiles !!!
People who fight pitbulls should be shot on sight! Poor dog’s!
“According to the CDC (everyone’s favorite source), here’s a sampling of the number of deaths in the USA in 2010 (most recent data available), by cause:
Heart disease: 777,548 (which is 23,562 times more likely to kill you than a dog attack)
Cancer: 573,855 (17,389 times more likely)
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353 (4,162 times more likely)
Stroke: 128,842 (3,904 times more likely)
Accidents (all including aircraft, auto, cycle, fall, etc): 118,021 (3,576 times more likely)
Alzheimer’s disease: 83,308 (2,524 times more likely)
Diabetes: 68,905 (2,088 times more likely)
Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,003 (1,515 times more likely)
Suicide: 37,793 (1,145 times more likely)
Liver Disease: 31,802 (963 times more likely)
Parkinson’s Disease: 21,963 (665 times more likely)
Murder: 16,485 (499 times more likely)
Hernia: 1,830 (55 times more likely) ..yea, that’s right- HERNIAS!!
Dog attacks (all breeds combined): 33 …(and just 15 in 2011)”
52,300 children were murdered in the United States between 1980 and 2006.
Of the 38,700 cases in which the killer was identified, about a third were killed by a parent or stepparent.
That’s 12,900 kids killed by their own parent(s) in 27 years or ***477 EACH YEAR***.
Yes just turn a blind eye to the next 33 children to be eaten alive so that a psycho can get their kicks by being associated with the killings by owning one of the breed. Just like women who marry serial killers they get “stimulation” from being associated with the dead children and elderly.
Vicious dog owners were higher in sensation seeking and primary psychopathy. Study results suggest that vicious dog ownership may be a simple marker of broader social deviance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19302402
Nat Geo:
You are an Idiot. Boston terrier, French Bulldog and Mastiffs??? The most uneducated poster of Pit Propaganda ever.
Serving the country:
With millions of Pit Bulls in the United States, and millions more that may be lumped into that category , 99.99999% of these dogs have not killed or attacked anyone. This is ignored by the few haters that foam from their mouths at the thought of a Pit Bull mass genocide.
National survey shows majority of Americans polled support freedom to choose dogs, regardless of breed
A new national survey commissioned by Best Friends Animal Society (https://www.bestfriends.org) reveals that 84 percent of those polled believe that local, state or federal governments should not infringe on a person’s right to own whatever breed of dog they choose. This survey, conducted by Luntz Global, is consistent with a growing trend by many state and local governments that have repealed Breed Discriminatory Legislation (sometimes known as Breed Specific Legislation or BSL) and enacted behavior-based, breed-neutral dangerous dog laws.
because BSL is unfair and they know it…
I’m here to ask the moderators WHY…why does this nasty person get to keep on here….Lorne Houle is a nasty person…whether female or male, fights for our freedom or not….what a worthless human excuse….I’ve read your comments and the moderators should be fired!
YOU are a pit pusher and part of the pit bull problem!
If I was a pit pusher, I’d be saying that EVERYONE should have a pit type….but that is not how I feel at all…..I am not a part of them problem because I did my research BEFORE I accepted my dog, AFTER I got her, I took her to doggie day care 3 times a week and to puppy training for aggressive breeds at the same place….and before you get all hot and heavy about the *aggressive breeds* part, the nice trainer (which had MANY years of experience with aggressive breeds) suggested it because of her breed, you would be very shocked to see the different *aggressive* breeds they had in that class (mine was the only pit-bull type)…I’d go into it but I can’t waste my typing on someone with such a closed mind….the only reason you lash out at me Gab….you know we have a good point of what we fight for….and that really bugs the heck right out of you
OK Karen…
Don’t forget I also keep your streets safe.
A cop!!! no doubt, now I understand…totally…….YOU are the last idiot I’d vote for….and listen pal, YOU don’t protect me in any way shape or form…stop patting yourself on the back!!
I can’t wait to be as smart as you when I get half your age. I’ve forgotten more than you will ever know about pitbulls…
That’s funny…Because your level of immaturity shows a lot coming from a person like you.
…And the pot calls the kettle black…
Lmao
If it wasn’t for my “kind” of people, you wouldn’t be sitting there typing English, you lazy fat b i t c h.
get off your pedestal you piece of crap…..looks like your not as *special* as you thought…Loser….
Oh, I’m sorry. I was on your pedestal. No wonder I had to “look up” to everyone.
I see why you lost the election
Did your parents ever teach you respect …You sound like white
T R A SH
Wait… Didn’t you just call me racist a few posts back? And fyi, the word sound refers to auditorial stimulation. I’m pretty sure I didn’t “sound” like anything to you.
Ok, ratchet. ..
better be careful flashing all your *riches* on here….people may think your a DIRTY COP
Let em… Just because you think it, doesn’t make it so.
Id vote for him before I vote for you. Gabriel is right. You are a ‘turd that needs to be flushed’. I think your comments are worse than Loren’s. Grow up! Aren’t you like 50 years old?
another fake…go give Thanks for the air you breathe….and get yourself some common sense, and STOP with the hate
disgraceful piece of skin
You’re a stinky turd that needs to be flushed.
*slurp*…why I love you to Hunnie
https://bslnews.org/2012/01/24/the-real-dog-bite-statistics-plus-media-myths-colleen-lynn-exposed/
https://bslnews.org/2012/01/24/the-real-dog-bite-statistics-plus-media-myths-colleen-lynn-exposed/……go learn something copper
He lost the election for Sherif to Kenneth Furlong, so he’s not keeping the streets safe…just misrepresenting himself with a campaign graphic.
Thank-You Jones :)….you made my day…I hope people REALLY see who it is that wants to enforce a horrible law….they are not good people…he was throwing his *riches* around elsewhere that the *clan* was chanting on…he really thinks a lot about himself……….
How would you know that he’s not keeping the streets safe? Do you know him personally? Do you even live in the same city as him? What difference does it make? From the look of it, he’s braver than you. He doesn’t fight behind a keyboard and mouse like everyone else here is.
Too bad you lost to Kenneth Furlong, the actual sheriff, nice try at misrepresenting yourself.
Doesn’t mean I’m not a police officer…
Lmao!
Lmao!
I don’t see you doing anything for the community you live in. At least he’s trying to make a difference… How is that misrepresentation?
Looking at the voter returns – LOL! Let those voters in Aurora light up a “fattie” and celebrate their victory about “pit bulls” – Oh! Oops! Maybe not. Gee, now they have to pay TAXES on their marijuana! 😛
Yep – These dogs are vicious, and of course, deserve what they get, don’t they Colleen? Because, as everyone know, they love to fight because they are ‘bred’ for it…
https://bslnews.org/2014/10/29/caurie-swinger-ashley-bryant-indicted-one-of-new-jerseys-largest-dog-fighting-rings-busted-call-to-action/
Patriots.
All American Dog!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Schools-out-our-gang-1930.jpg
Service Dog!
The American Pit Bull Terrier (HISTORY OF FIGHTING DOGS Series) Paperback
by Joseph L. Colby
ISBN-13: 978-1846642562
Originally published in 1936, this book is extremely rare in its early editions. Hugely informative and in-depth, it is a complete treatise on the breed covering the entire field, with particular emphasis on dog-fighting.
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_9/189-2808316-0878701?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=pitbulls&sprefix=PIT+BULLS%2Caps%2C319
LOL! Sure, sure. Pit fighting dog is a “good dog”. The problem with you people is that you’re using the pit bull against what it is bred for.
I am impressed at the volumes of pit bull propaganda. Must be tough when we know pit bulls kill more than all other breeds combined.
Wednesday, November 12, 2014 Dogsbite.org
Video: Two Mothers Share Their Tragic Stories of Losing a Child in Family Dog Attack
Family Pit Bull Suddenly Kills Innocent Child
Roxanne Hartrich – Bloomington, Illinois (2014)
Roxanne said that her mother picked up Kara and said, “I’m sure Brody didn’t mean it Kara … are you okay?” Roxanne said she had barely gotten that out when “Brody came flying from the playroom, and jumped into the air, and attacked my mom and my daughter.
Angela Rutledge – Fulton County, Georgia (2013)
My son had puncture wounds in his neck. Gashes in his head. And he laid there, and I screamed so loud … I ran upstairs to go get my cell phone so I could call 911. I couldn’t even call 911 because I kept slipping in the blood, and I kept dropping my phone.
https://www.amazon.com/Good-Dog-America%C2%92s-Beautiful-Misunderstood/dp/0670026204/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1415855043&sr=1-1&keywords=pitbulls
Animals, adversity, asbestos & taking the heat
NOVEMBER 10, 2014 BY MERRITT CLIFTON
Successes eroded & lost
Meanwhile, asked to cite humane successes, veteran humane workers would mention the near abolition of dogfighting and, with the decline of rabies, the reduction of dog attack fatalities to just 15 in the entire 1930-1960 time frame. All of us were unaware, then, that both achievements were already beginning to be eroded by pit bull proliferation and the rise of organized pit bull advocacy.
Last week I logged the 305th human death and 2,199th disfigurement caused by pit bulls since 1982. Thirty of those deaths have occurred just this year, along with more deaths and disfigurements by pit bulls from shelters (33) than were inflicted by all shelter dogs combined from 1858 to 2009.
33 deaths by SHELTER DOGS…
That was just this year, stupid. Read the article again…
Stupid? Man your the who’s stupid…With your ego of bull s h i t..
Whoop whoop! Me, 1. You, 0.
you’re just a side Buster no I was talking to you…go stick your head back in the hole…
Merritt Clifton — the “primary source” for people who are feverishly trying to eradicate pit bulls, like Barbara Kay — has falsified his credentials.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-anthony-cooper/merritt-clifton-pit-bulls_b_5866176.html
COLLEEN LYNN EXPOSED, The Real Statistics https://bslnews.org/2012/01/24/the-real-dog-bite-statistics-plus-media-myths-colleen-lynn-exposed/
Good..I’m glad she’s exposed..no good for nothing lying sack of s***!
According to an article on Alternet, it wasn’t long ago that Pit bulls not only weren’t feared, but with their friendly and patient temperaments, were actually considered to be a perfect “nanny breed” for children. But in the 1980s, the breed began to develop a terrible reputation. It’s not clear where the cycle started, but at some point, Pit bulls became the dog breed of choice for the criminal element, or those looking for dogs to threaten, guard, intimidate and generally look scary. This led to many owners abusing their Pit bulls into becoming vicious, mean attack dogs. The breed’s reputation worsened, thus encouraging more people in the market for “mean” dogs to adopt Pit bulls, and the catch-22 was in place.
Of course, there’s no hard evidence to support the idea that Pit bulls are naturally more aggressive or dangerous than other breeds. Myths about their super-powerful bite force and dangerous “locking jaws” are likewise utterly fabricated. Pit bulls don’t even have jaw strength as powerful as other breeds like Mastiffs, whose jaws clamp down with much greater force, but somehow haven’t cursed them with an image as killer dogs. The real facts show that Pit bulls are actually docile compared to other dogs. A study of dog breeds was conducted to gauge temperament by measuring skittishness, aggression and ability to differentiate between threatening and non-threatening humans. The results showed what Pit bull lovers of the past knew: the “nanny breed” was among the friendliest and least aggressive. Aggressive Pit bulls are almost always the products of abuse, neglect or both. It is irresponsible breeders and owners who are to blame for the breed’s negative image.
But the Alternet article points out that the media’s ongoing willingness to sell out Pit bulls doesn’t help matters. News outlets are quick to support the belief that Pit bulls are dangerous, because it allows for sensationalized stories, stories that won’t go over if their audiences don’t believe the misleading “facts” on which they are based. In a way, since the Pit bull’s negative reputation is essentially an invention, it exists as a cultural meme, a persistent urban legend. Other breeds have trended similarly in the past. Rottweilers and Doberman Pinschers to some degree still deal with this. In the 19th century, it was Bloodhounds who were considered inherently dangerous. If that seems absurd to us now, it’s because the idea then was based on the same lies that haunt Pit bulls today. It’s gotten so bad that when dog attacks happen, the media will often identify the breed as a Pit bull even when it’s not the case. And when Pit bulls do attack, it is often much more widely reported than similar attacks caused by other breeds.
Pit bulls’ bad reputation has been so deeply ingrained in our culture that a kind of racism has developed against them. Mistrust leads to suspicious attention, which leads to the breed being implicated in more negative activity than other breeds, which worsens and perpetuates the breed’s reputation. Governments and lawmakers, by creating absurd breed-specific bans, only serve to cement misinformed and bigoted beliefs. Even popular entertainers like Kelly Ripa are taken in by the media’s portrayal of Pit bulls as bloodthirsty attack dogs, and in turn worsen the problem by perpetuating the stereotype.
But there’s always hope, and increasingly, a growing backlash against Pit bull bigotry has more and more people learning that Pit bulls are perfectly safe and even very loving, loyal dogs. As Cesar Millan of “The Dog Whisperer” has grown famous for his canine expertise, his love of and support for Pit bulls has gone a long way to convincing a general audience that the breed’s negative image is completely undeserved. Other popular shows like Shorty Rossi’s “Pit Boss” add to the wave of positive Pit bull PR. And for every person who adopts a Pit bull and learns of its true nature, an entire network of family and friends in turn learns the truth. It’s up to each of us to spread the real facts about Pit bulls
This has actually been going on since November 15, 1844. A news article by The Sun in Baltimore was printed about a man being ripped apart by a pitbull. The news editor said these dangerous dogs shoud have never been in the hands of private citizens and never bred into existance…
https://www.naturalnews.com/032749_German_shepherds_dog_registry.html
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https://bslnews.org/2012/01/24/the-real-dog-bite-statistics-plus-media-myths-colleen-lynn-exposed/
STOP BSL!
TO SAVE MILLIONS OF LIVES, PEOPLE BLAME THE DOG WHEN THE REAL CAUSE IS THEM.. STOP BSL LAWS AND SAVE THESE BEAUTIFUL DOGS FROM A HORRIBLE GAS CHAMBER DEATH, EUTH. VACINE, OR WORSE.. THESE PITBULLS ARE CLASSIFIED AS MEAN CHILD MAULING CREATURES WHEN MY PITBULL PLAYS WITH MY NEICES AND NEFEWS AND WHEN TAKING FOOD NEVER USES HER TEETH LIKE MOST PEOPLE SAY THEY KILL PEOPLE BECAUSE THATS ALL THEY KNOW.. WITCH IS A LIE!!!!!!! PLEASE SAVE THESE DOGS!!! PLEASE SIGN AND PROVE THOSE ANTI-PITBULL PEOPLE OUT THERE WRONG!!! HELP THESE DOGS FIND PRO-PITBULL HOMES WHERE THEY CAN RUN THERE OWN YARD WITHOUT FEAR OF BEING KILLED BECAUSE OF THERE BREED… PLEASE LOOK INTO THERE EYS AND TELL ME WHAT YOU SEE, I SEE FORGIVENESS LOVE CARE BROKEN SOUL A BROKEN HEART, BUT IF YOU RESCUE THAT ALL CHANGES IN A BLINK ON AN EYE THEY GO FROM THE DEPRESSED BROKEN SOUL TO THE PLAYFUL HAPPY GO LUCKY LIFE LOVING DOGS, YOU CANT BAN THEM JUST BECAUSE OF THE WRONG PEOPLE.. THESE DOGS, WITHOUT PITBULLS DO YOU KNOW WHAT HORRIBLE PEOPLE WE WOULB BE TO KILL OFF AN ENTIRE BREED BECAUSE OF HATERS? THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST MAKING A HOLOCAUST FOR PITBULLS AND YOUR A NAZI IF YOU WITH BSL LAWS!!! PLEASE CHANGE YOUR MIND NOW, BEFORE ITS TO LATE!!! PLEASE!!!!
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/dog-book/chapter12-4.html
This is an important issue because i believe the beginnings stages are here for people trying to ban pittbulls and im not goong to stand around and watch it happen. People need to understand that pitbulls are not agressive because of genetics and that they are all like that becasue it is not true and quite simply ignorant thinking. The media has been publicising this issue since the beginning and people just feed of it. There are many cases of attacks by other dogs it just doesnt hit the media becasue who would want o hear of a poodle attavking a person. Pittbulls have been a target for the longest becasue of their strength and the strenth of the jaws and i am proud to say i have two and we have not raised them to be agressive. I need the support of those people out there who understand the true loyalty and love of pitbulls,the people out there who understand the discrimination placed on this certain breed, and those people who understand it is plain wrong to just outlaw and euthanize an entire breed based on a theory.
Moron.
You are a moron GABRIEL BARROS!
N i g g e r loving b i t c h. Thats all that like these p u s s y a s s dogs!
What did you say you Parasite…I’m sorry racist piece of s*** you people sit behind you’re computers and talk so much garbage and no nothing about a person… BTW dip s h i t my husband is Irish….and I treat every person equally. So you take your garbage w h i t e trash s h e e p l e
Waste of flesh out of here.
Ooooo, the truth stings doesn’t it! You’re really making friends here aren’t you. Keep up the good work! I mean them, not you.
Because that was your profile dip s h i t.
What profile? Are you conversation slippin? What you said makes no sense. ..
You and you’re fake a s s profiles dude.
Wait a second, now that I think about it, thats the second person to call someone a “sheep”. Me being one of those “people” (as you call me). Such an unusual term to be posted twice in one day… I think YOU have a fake profile!
I don’t need a fake profile…I don’t need to hide like you, So you think I’m the only one in the world to call someone a s h e e p..lol
Get a life!
You’re the p u s s y you can’t handle it can you, you f u c k i n
Sh e e p…why don’t you go drink the fluoride.
kill’em all is also a fake account. Probably Lorne.
Thanks;) I’m starting to see that now.
Lmao. Cristina must have pissed you off too, huh? Don’t feel bad, she snapped at me too. I guess ‘chihuahuas’ do have a nasty ‘bite’. Lmao
Fake!
Ignorance is bliss…
To know nothing is closer to the truth than a head filled with misinformation and faulty logics…
You are an idiot and I’m done talking to you…Thank you next.
Why is she a moron? Because she’s advocating for her dog and the rights for these dogs…I would say, YOU GO GIRL!I I’m not afraid of pits…Its people like you i’m afraid of.
People like him are worthless…
I didn’t know you were a geneticist. .. How did your experiments go with the dna decoding? Oh, you didn’t test the dna? You’re not a geneticist? THEN SHUT THE F U C K UP! Tree hugging hipster!
Lol… You people with you’re little self full of hate caliing people names are clearly mature.
Oh, for what’s right… So its right for dogs to kill children and elderly… its right for people to walk their animals down the street in feal of getting mauled… its right for bad dog owners to walk free from criminal charges WHEN THEIR DOG (clearly an individual to you) KILLS A MEMBER OF SOCIETY! I guess it’s right to do nothing than something. You’re right… And your right endangers me and my children.
you are one ignorant person really
Not all f u c k in pit dogs kill..
You are ridiculous and pitful bottom line.
Why?! Because you can’t respond with a half decent rebuttal so you insult instead of inform? If you can’t stick up for yourself, Cristina, what good are you? Huh? I hear barking but… I don’t see any action. ..
Lmao
“You people”? What do you mean “you people”… lmao.
Where’s all those fatal Golden Retriever attacks? Pit bull advocates claim “all dogs bite”.
November 2014
Robeson County, NC Alemeaner Dial, 83 Fatal pit bull attack
October 2014
Stanislaus County, CA Juan Fernandez, 54 Fatal pit bull attack
September 2014
Sharp County, AR Alice Payne, 75 Fatal pit bull attack
Benton County, MS David Glass Sr., 51 Fatal pit bull attack
August 2014
Miami-Dade County, FL Javon Dade Jr., 4 Fatal pit bull attack
St. Charles County, MO Deriah Solem, < 2 Fatal pit bull attack
Levy County, FL Joel Chirieleison, 6 Fatal pit bull attack
Butler County, OH Cindy Whisman, 59 Fatal pit bull attack
July 2014
Montgomery County, OH Johnathan Quarles, Jr., < 1 Fatal pit bull attack
Hillsborough County, FL Logan Sheppard, 4 Fatal pit bull attack
May 2014
New Haven County, CT Rita Pepe, 93 Fatal pit bull attack
Kent County, DE Kasii Haith, 4 Fatal pit bull attack
Lee County, AL Katie Morrison, 20 Fatal pit bull attack
April 2014
Highlands County, FL Jessica Norman, 33 Fatal pit bull attack
Bexar County, TX Petra Aguirre, 83 Fatal pit bull attack
St. Clair County, AL John Harvard, 5 Fatal pit bull attack
March 2014
Kaufman County, TX Dorothy Hamilton, 85 Fatal pit bull attack
Holmes County, MS Christopher Malone, 3 Fatal pit bull attack
Terrebonne Parish, LA Mia DeRouen, 4 Fatal pit bull attack
Maricopa County, AZ Nancy Newberry, 77 Fatal pit bull attack
February 2014
Guilford County, NC Braelynn Coulter, 3 Fatal pit bull attack
Bell County, TX Je'vaeh Mayes, 2 Fatal pit bull attack
January 2014
McLean County, IL Kara Hartrich, 4 Fatal pit bull attack
Comal County, TX Betty Clark, 75 Fatal pit bull attack
Harris County, TX Christina Bell, 43 Fatal pit bull attack
Oh yeah! Pit bull enthusiasts celebrate lift on Pawtucket ban
And neither will the people and pets killed by pit bulls this year.
That ban is bull and you know it!
BSL fails to target the problem: bad dog owners. Those who are causing the problems with their dogs will not care about the law. Either these owners will continue to own the breeds mentioned in the BSL or dump the dogs, get a new breed and continue the cycle. Or, a restriction will make the breeds more attractive to those who get a feeling of power by intentionally breaking the law. Some owners are simply poorly educated and do not know what it takes to properly raise, train, socialize and manage any dog. Owners who are intentionally bad or owners who are undereducated and irresponsible are the problems that need to be addressed. Also, BSL are tough to enforce, expensive and often very vague with their descriptions and how to identify a dangerous dog.
Any dog can be a risk. Even small breeds have seriously injured and killed children. An American Pit Bull Terrier in a good home is a safer dog than a Dachshund in a poor home. Humans decide how safe the individual dog will be. In the majority of dog problems, there is the owner to blame. The dog ends up as much of a victim in many respects. Is the dog to blame? No, he is just reflecting the owner. You can tell a lot about a person through his dogs.
These breeds are targeted because of a lack of education. Legislators and the general public do not take the time to learn the truth behind many breeds mentioned in BSL. Instead, they believe hype and information from undereducated and unreliable sources. The people creating the most problem with dogs are: those using dogs as status symbols for the wrong reasons; undereducated owners who do not realize the time it takes to properly raise any dog; those who unintentionally allow undesired behaviors to grow and fail to address them. How many people let tiny pups play tug of war with their hands or feet? Are they aware that this actually teaches the pup it is good to bite humans when playing? Children often unintentionally or intentionally do things that can lead to a bite: teasing, inappropriate play, trying to pat strange dogs, scaring dogs, etc. It looks better for lawmakers to ban a breed than to target the true source of the problem with supposedly killer breeds: often young, unsupervised, poorly raised kids or the irresponsible adult looking for another status symbol to prove machismo. There is little personal accountability any more. If something is being used for the bad, take it away from all as opposed to targeting the source of the bad – the human. Let’s make an analogy: as this is being written there is a lawsuit against fast food restaurants: they are being blamed for obesity. A person can find salads, juice and milk at these fast food places or choose a smaller burger, fries and drink. Yes, the employees try to sell super-sized stuff, but you do not have to buy it. A person can eat unhealthily at any restaurant from Beverly Hills to Boston. Yet only fast food places are being targeted. Where is personal accountability? What lawmaker will jump on the bandwagon and try to restrict fast food places and what they can serve? Can you make the analogy? Any dog can be a problem. It is the human that decides what the dog becomes – regardless of the breed. Personal accountability. Who is in control of the dog?
That is what people opposed to BSL are trying to do: get legislators to address the root of the problem without punishing the good. But legislators are often poorly educated and/or use the wrong sources for their information. They go by what is printed in the media and not reality. It looks better in the eyes of the undereducated to blame the dog than the human.
What is this education you keep talking about. You mention it often yet you don’t describe this education you speak of.
While it is quite obvious that there is a problem in some communities regarding loose dogs harassing/attacking people, criminal activity involving the use of dogs, and dog attacks in general, BSL fails to reduce the occurrence of these problems because it fails to address the root cause: people. BSL doesn’t work because it is purely prejudicial in nature. Instead of punishing owners who are irresponsible and criminals who use dogs for illegal purposes, the legislation targets dogs for simply existing, and people’s rights to own the breed of dog they so choose.
Your comment, “BSL doesn’t work because it is purely prejudicial in nature.”
You do understand that dog fighters use pit bulls almost exclusively. I have yet to hear of a dog fighting ring bust that shows any other breed other than pit bull dogs.
The reason dog fighters use pit bulls is because they are designed both physically and mentally to kill other dogs. As a consequence they also pose a much greater threat to human life as well.
I can agree partially that the pit bull problem has a human component; however the reason criminals possess pit bull dogs is due to their dog fighting temperament. There are plenty of stronger dogs but the pit bull dog is the most threatening due to its dog fighting temperament.
BSL is also largely based on misinformation and truth-twisting, its authors citing the “inherent viciousness” of certain dog breeds as plenty reason to outlaw even those dogs that have never acted in a criminal fashion. Bite statistics are also used as justification since “pit bulls” often top such lists. Of course, no breed is inherently vicious, and the accuracy of bite stats are suspect as best.
Your comment, “BSL is also largely based on misinformation and truth-twisting”
BSL is based on experience with violent pit bull attacks, maulings, and killings. Nothing more. It’s a public safety issue.
1) Current laws are barely enforced. New laws are going to be heaped on top of old ones, for what purpose? Take something as simple as the leash law. It is not very often enforced. Leashes save lives, they prevent dog bites and attacks. It is a simple, yet extremely effective means of lessening dog problems. The blatant disregard for leash laws is not something that should be allowed to go on.
2) BSL takes time, money and man-power to enforce. The responsibility for the enforcement of laws falls on Animal Control and sheltering systems. These are agencies that are already dealing with massive surpluses of animals, more calls than they can sometimes handle. Now they are being forced to deal with the additional weight BSL dumps on their shoulders.
3) BSL is prejudicial in nature. It punishes dogs and owners who have done nothing wrong. It is discriminatory against people who choose to own a particular breed of dog.
4) All dogs bite. All dogs can inflict harm. There is no scientific study to prove that one breed of dog bites more or causes more injury than any other breed of dog. There have been cases of tiny dogs, under 20 pounds killing or seriously injuring children.
5) If Pit Bulls and similar breeds are outlawed or severely restricted, one of two things happen: criminals and irresponsible owners will continue to get their hands on the dogs and simply ignore laws, or they will turn to other breeds to suit their purposes.
Your comment, “1) Current laws are barely enforced.”
I will agree. There should also be harsh penalties for people who’s dog attacks people and other dogs. If a dog kills another dog, unless there is a very good reason, the dog should be put down. Don’t you agree?
Your comment, “2) BSL takes time, money and man-power to enforce.”
When we consider the amount of resources and the damage pit bulls inflict on its victims, a single pit bull attack could cost much more than the cost of BSL enforcement. We can also take into account the fact that pit bulls end up in shelters more often and that pit bulls can not share a kennel with another dog. At face value, they take up double the resources. Then take into consideration the extra resources pit bulls require when attempting to adopt them out.
All these factors should be considered and not only the cost of BSL.
Your comment, “3) BSL is prejudicial in nature.”
Pure breed dogs are all about creating a stereotype both physically and mental. Breeders, the good ones, always take into consideration the breeding pair’s temperament. The concept is to ensure that the pup’s temperament will conform to the temperament of that breed.
Your comment, “4) All dogs bite. All dogs can inflict harm.”
That does not address the pit bull problem we both agree on exists.
Your comment, “5) If Pit Bulls and similar breeds are outlawed or severely restricted, one of two things happen: criminals and irresponsible owners will continue to get their hands on the dogs and simply ignore laws, or they will turn to other breeds to suit their purposes.”
I agree with you but there is no real evidence proving or disproving this.
Bite Stats
Do Pit Bulls bite more than any other breed? Do they really top some “most dangerous dog” chart? Does such a chart even exist? These answers to this questions are, respectively: “There is no way to know”, “No”, and “No”. Want more information? Read on.
Millions of people are bitten by dogs across the US every year, and the population is clamoring for a scapegoat on which to place the blame. Supposed “bite statistics” allow an outlet for such anxiety. However, how accurate are these stats, really?
1) There is no national registry for such information. Most communities keep their own stats. In my county, for example, they are kept by the health department.
2) Most bite reports are based on information collected from the victim and/or a witness. This means that the dog’s breed is named by the victim. Since both my Rottweiler and French Bulldog have been referred to as “pit bulls” by passersby I give very little credence to the victim’s identification of a dog involved in a bite case.
3) Mixed breeds may or may not be lumped in with purebred dogs in such stats. I have seen the raw data collected by my county, and then heard the numbers released to the media….. they usually don’t add up….. hmmmmmm
4) Without knowing the population of a given breed in a particular area, there is no way of knowing whether 10 bites by a given breed represent one really evil dog who has bitten many people, or 10 dogs who have each had a single incident.
5) Statistics are only as good as their interpretation. Any researcher will tell you so. “Who funded the study??”
Your comment, “1) There is no national registry for such information.”
No, there is no national registry for dog bite statistics. BSL advocates are working on convincing the CDC to keep those records. There are bite statistics by city and people are finding out that pit bulls bite as much or more. They also realize pit bulls do more damage.
Your comment, “2) Most bite reports are based on information collected from the victim and/or a witness.”
You’re also describing police reports. There is nothing wrong with taking a victim’s statement. Police do this regularly.
Your comment, “3) Mixed breeds may or may not be lumped in with purebred dogs in such stats.”
If anything, pit bull attacks are under reported. There has been a movement for pit bull owners to call their pit bulls something other than pit bulls. I have seen black and white pit bulls called “Border Collie mix”. That’s ridiculous.
Your comment, “4) Without knowing the population of a given breed in a particular area…”
We make estimates on all sorts of things. Investment, crime, etc.
Your comment, “5) Statistics are only as good as their interpretation.”
I agree with you.
I saw an ad for a red nose pitbull that said lab/retriever mix. Just about fell out of my chair. Didn’t resemble either one.
racist
Sexist
you go ahead and think that little
S h e e p
H o m o you mean.
You have got to be black… They are the FIRST ones to play the race card. Fact is, you’re probably the first one in the building when looting takes effect. Selfish…
I am white European….But I think people like you that post nasty racist pictures are pitiful.
I didn’t see anything racist about the picture above. Nothing, in fact. Why do you think that?
Really? Of course you didn’t you’re all a like…full of hate and uneducated waste of time good for nothing… F u c k y o u too!
I could say the same about you. Jeez! I didn’t know a person could be so full of hate until I met you… What crawled up your skirt?
Cristina “pitbull victim” appears to be a fake account, you should ignore “it”. Its probably Lorne practicing deceit again.
SUre jones. You caught me… (sarcasm) she just messaged me sayingit was me. Now I know where she got the idea. I’m not a “pitbull victim” if thats what you areggetting at. Actually the opposite. I was telling Gabriel Barros that a couple years ago I shot and killed my neighbors pitbull that wandered into my kitchen and tried to attack my German Shepherd and toy terrier. Their dog killed several other dogs in the neighborhood that summer so I knew it was a matter of time. Cops constantly over there and they hide their dog. Good thing I was open carry that day.
Announcing that you shoot your neighbors dogs online might help you win your next election.
I really hope you’re not a lawyer because your defenses are weak… if so, I’d ask for your money back. ..
I see we’re still living in a fantasy world
Btw, I don’t have a problem saying s h i t to anyone. Why would I have to mask my comments?
Why would you pretend to be a sheriff?
I didn’t pretend. What the heck are you talking about? I ran… you clearly see I lost… how is that pretending…? I’m a reservist provost marshall in the marines after serving 4 years active duty. I’m still a military police nco.
You admit you’re not, only because you were caught misrepresenting yourself with campaign material to give the impression that you were the sheriff.
No… anyone can clearly see it’s for an election and not a statement of title. Maybe you would be confused but even pam larkin or whatever her name is got it and shes dumber than a bag of nails…
Easy to see why you lost.
And easy to see why you didn’t ever try… sidelines kinda guy, huh? Thought so…
I don’t know why you think that loosing an election upsets me… lol. Clearly, your trying to get a rise that’s never going to appear. Lol.
Is that why you posted so many replies?
No I make it easier for you to break it down into smaller pieces so your brain doesn’t overload… lol. J/k.
Truth is, jones, behavior with friends and behavior at work are two different things. Surely you understand. Are you arguing for the sake of elongating this conversation more than it has to be or do you have a conclusion. ..
Because it’s late here and I’m falling asleep on myself here. I’m not usually a night owl so if this could continue tomorrow, that would be generous of you.
you mean it’s time to go do your meth
By the way, personal opinion and professional opinion differ greatly. My personal opinion has no relevance to the election so how does that correlate to the subject matter of this discussion?
I am a proud pitbull advocate I live in California and one the most beautiful places in Eureka…. I have over 200 acres and I foster these dogs and I make sure they go to loving home…. So I am done wasting my time with someone like you! I’m here to spread the truth about these poor dogs who get abused by ghetto losers who sit there and fight these poor a animals and those who spread lies about them and have no idea what kind of animal they are…have a nice life you loser..
Society & Animals Journal of Human-Animal Studies
Managing the Stigma of Outlaw Breeds: A Case Study of Pit Bull Owners
Tufts Center for Animals and Public Policy
Managing the Stigma of Outlaw Breeds: A Case Study of Pit Bull Owners (2000)
In the face of this stigma, respondents resorted to using a variety of interactional strategies to lessen the impact of this perception or prevent it from occurring.
These strategies included passing their dogs as breeds other than pit bulls, denying that their behavior is biologically determined, debunking adverse media coverage, using humor, emphasizing counter-stereotypical behavior, avoiding stereotypical equipment or accessories, taking preventive measures, or becoming BREED AMBASSADORS.
The sheriff that never was.
that’s too funny
You are very immature gotta be kidding me…the f*** tard apocalypse is here and you their leader.
Lmao….you are no military police by no means… Someone who’s in the military police do not behave the way you do sitting here online calling people names acting like you’re freaking 16 years old…. My father was a military police during the biggest revolutions there were in Europe in the seventies….and you think he would waste his time online calling people names putting people down you are a f******* get a life.I think you’re just some Tweaker who lives in a trailer park who had a dream and never got to achieve that dream…
Nope… I’m sure not… even though I’m standing there, in uniform, on my profile, with my nname tape, saying US Marines, deployed with a friend of mine…(Sarcasm)
That means nothing…
You wouldn’t know the truth if it slapped you in the face but if it did, it would probably say “sit down, b i t c h!” afterwards.
no I think that’s what they did to you in the military made you into a b i t c h .
is that what trailer t r a sh due to their wives?
oh snap….lol
are you thinking of ways to make a new profile,so you can go off on me and have somebody on your pathetic little side…you are a parasite
This seems to be a gross misappropriation of time and I have a family to tend to and food that I have to cook. So I’ll leave you with this. If you’re looking for a response back, you’ll be waiting for a very long time: it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that there’s something wrong with pitbulls. We may not have the answers to prove it yet but I’ve seen murderers go to prison for life for less circumstantial evidence than what I’ve presented in previous posts. So long. Enjoy your weekend.
Oh, look. There I am again…
Lmao…Your house looks like I what imagined it to be a trailer park
my husband’s arms are bigger than both of your are put together
Who care….you are still very immature and need to get your head out of your
A s s..you must be very b u t t hurt because you have to prove to me that you’re something big you’re not, You’re just a little military little boyboy
Just showing that you pull information out of your a s s and you have no idea what your talking about.
you started this with the name calling and put downs so you get to taste of your own medicine…Yout hink you know what you’re talking about but you don’t ….so be quiet little military boy aren’t you used to having people telling you what to do? Lol
These are things that you ask before being accusatory, slanderous, and libel.
I don’t pretend. ..
Haha….You got told,You parasite.
Also, I didn’t post a statistic. That’s a list of people killed by pit bull dogs.
A statistic would be, “pit bulls kill a human every 13 days”. That would be derived from the list I provided and the number of days since Jan 1, 2014 which is 328.
Was this to much for your brain???
Pit bull enthusiasts celebrate lift on Pawtucket ban
Now dog fighters can keep their pit bulls there also.
So because of worthless ghetto dog fighters every law abiding citizen should lose their family pet? So should we ban rosters too..because people use them for fighting. Let’s be real here.
In other words…Let the biting begin…
in other words let the ignorance again…you are pitiful
Wow. “But hey, you’re a pit bull owner we can’t expect anything logical from you.” Bravo! How eloquent and intellectual of you. You’re trying to GAIN respect and understanding with that? Good luck. Perhaps using your level of intellect to respond will enlighten you to how statements like that fail to get ANYTHING across: “But hey, I guess you’re not a pit bull owner…” You get the idea. Basically, you’re saying that because people own pit bulls they are stupid and inconsiderate correct? It seems as though you have NEVER MET a pit bull or a responsible pit bull owner. Your embroider on the subject is bias.
Didn’t we go over that? Theres not much debating. .. it looks pretty one sided to me… not much arguing involved.
Your all a bunch of clausit racist biggots.
Let’s pretend dog breeds are comparable to human races (which they’re not).
do you have a favorite dog breed? Do any of your friends have favorite dog breeds?
If so, doesn’t that make them racist, since that would be just like favoring one race over another/
I for one am tired of being near dogs that are so unpredictable, just like the owners of these dogs
Really? You quoted Colleen Lynn? That’s slightly embarrassing. Want to know about who Colleen Lynn is I recommend the following article.. https://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2010/03/the-truth-behind-dogsbiteorg.html
She is by no means ANY kind of expert. She is just a web designer with a vendetta. Her entire website is one sided and biased.
you’re a pit freak with a fetish for fighting breed dogs.
STOP posting here and go collect your pit bull dogs! Nobody else wants them except you pit freaks with a fetish for fighting breed dogs.
February 03, 2015
Pit Bulls – Not Other Breeds – Are Causing The Serious Dog Problem in Niagara Falls
Aggressive pit bulls from Niagara Falls are filling up about 90 percent of available cages at the Niagara County SPCA.
Currently, the SPCA has 85 dogs. The shelter has permanent kennels to house 74.
Currently, the shelter is made up of 90 percent pit bulls. Almost all of them came from Niagara Falls.
Instead of insulting Colleen Lynn, why not refute the information on her website?
There was a time when the pit bull was one of the most popular family pets in the country. President Theodore Roosevelt, Gen. George Patton and Helen Keller all owned pits. But today, the breeds are more closely associated with gangs and violent dogfighting, making them among the most vilified — and unwanted — dogs in America. But are they really more dangerous or naturally aggressive than other breeds? Or should humans and bad training share more of the blame?
For Cesar Millan, pit bulls and other dogs classified among the so-called “bully breeds” aren’t bullies at all. In “Cesar Millan: Love My Pit Bull,” is a compelling one-hour special showing Cesar and his current pit bull companion, Junior, make the case that it’s not just pit bulls — but also humans — who need to be trained. The special will air internationally later this year.
In the revealing special, viewers will learn about the history of pit bulls, dating back to the 1800s, when they were commonly used on farms and cattle ranches to herd animals. They were even trusted to watch the children while the adults worked the field. In England, for example, the Staffordshire bull terrier was so good with kids that it became known as “The Nanny Dog.” It’s a quality Cesar often saw in his own pit bull, Daddy.
Often abused or abandoned, today pit bulls are destroyed at a far higher rate than any other dog. Overbreeding, improper training and neglect force about one million pit bulls to be put down each year — more than 2,000 dogs a day. For Cesar, rescuing the pit bull from near extermination is a cause worthy of his time and attention.
If anything, Cesar’s years with his former co-star and best pit bull pal Daddy taught the internationally acclaimed dog expert that pit bulls are not the aggressive monsters that their detractors claim they are. In fact, they are highly intelligent and, with proper training, can be loyal and loving companions. Inspired by his personal experiences with Daddy, the special showcases Cesar meeting with pit bull trainers, advocates, and dog owners to gain a greater knowledge and understanding of these unique and misunderstood breeds, and to share that message with the world.
“It’s not the breed that makes a good companion,” Cesar says. “All dogs are great companions. Communication creates a partnership and dogs have the simplest communication on the planet. For them, everything is about trust, respect and love.”
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“Lynn said that while pit bull supporters are often very public and vocal in their support for the breed, there are many people who oppose the breed but don’t want to speak publicly about it.” This sounds a lot like the feelings of clausit bigotry embedded in culture based on lies. There are racist who don’t speak as publicly about it anymore too. That is because it is wrong!
I’ve stumbled upon this discussion board, and I realize a lot of post are from months ago. So I’m not trying to add or continue any arguments from prior post. But one thing that bothers me about some added comments, is Dog compared to humans, military personnel saying they fight for our right to house bad dogs, and the mere fact of saying pit-bull owners are inconsiderate of their neighbors. First off, yes the police force chooses a specific breed due to their ability to learn, be well trained an not manipulated by the opposing party. However, K9 Dogs are considered a police officer, so technically the same rights as a human. If you assault a K9 unit, you can be charged with assaulting a human officer. Next, I do appreciate all former and current military members. For someone to say they fight for the right of others to own vicious dogs is wrong. I have plenty of family and close friends, current and former in the military that are more open minded about life and the freedom we actually have. So to argue over a small but yet big thing like a breed ban is vaguely ridiculous. Finally the part about pit owners not caring for their neighbors is also outrageous. I’ve owned dogs my entire life, from huskies in Alaska, black labs in Oregon, to a pitbull in Denver. All my dogs were raised the same and turned out amazing. The only problem is people see a certain dog that society has made a propaganda towards, wrongfully accusing a breed because of bad owners, poor training and neglect to prove their dog is their pet, not a fighting vicious animal. If you just take a moment to realize the facts and let it sink in, its actually very messed up to see what has happened in the past. 1,100+ pitbulls were euthanized in Colorado. Meaning if you didn’t move or find a home for your pit, it was taken to the pound, which already these breeds are the number one dogs in kennels in America. If a home was not found in a short amount of time, a needle was put into the dog and that’s it. Personally as not just a pit owner, but a person who can part good from wrong, I will not put my dog on death row so to speak. So please don’t judge my dog because it was simply born. Blame the deed not the breed. Thank You.
the deed is being mostly done by the breed you advocate for. It becomes increasingly clear that the only way to solve the pit bull problem is by either putting restrictions on fighting breed dogs or completely banning them.
We don’t see Golden Retrievers doing this sort of thing.
These people can no longer voice their opinion on the pit bull problem.
December 2014
Portage, IN Edward L. Cahill, 40, Fatal pit bull attack (Christmas Day)
Corpus Christi, TX Rita Woodard, 64 Fatal pit bull attack
November 2014
Robeson County, NC Alemeaner Dial, 83 Fatal pit bull attack
October 2014
Stanislaus County, CA Juan Fernandez, 54 Fatal pit bull attack
September 2014
Sharp County, AR Alice Payne, 75 Fatal pit bull attack
Benton County, MS David Glass Sr., 51 Fatal pit bull attack
August 2014
Miami-Dade County, FL Javon Dade Jr., 4 Fatal pit bull attack
St. Charles County, MO Deriah Solem, < 2 Fatal pit bull attack
Levy County, FL Joel Chirieleison, 6 Fatal pit bull attack
Butler County, OH Cindy Whisman, 59 Fatal pit bull attack
July 2014
Montgomery County, OH Johnathan Quarles, Jr., < 1 Fatal pit bull attack
Hillsborough County, FL Logan Sheppard, 4 Fatal pit bull attack
May 2014
New Haven County, CT Rita Pepe, 93 Fatal pit bull attack
Kent County, DE Kasii Haith, 4 Fatal pit bull attack
Lee County, AL Katie Morrison, 20 Fatal pit bull attack
April 2014
Highlands County, FL Jessica Norman, 33 Fatal pit bull attack
Bexar County, TX Petra Aguirre, 83 Fatal pit bull attack
St. Clair County, AL John Harvard, 5 Fatal pit bull attack
March 2014
Kaufman County, TX Dorothy Hamilton, 85 Fatal pit bull attack
Holmes County, MS Christopher Malone, 3 Fatal pit bull attack
Terrebonne Parish, LA Mia DeRouen, 4 Fatal pit bull attack
Maricopa County, AZ Nancy Newberry, 77 Fatal pit bull attack
February 2014
Guilford County, NC Braelynn Coulter, 3 Fatal pit bull attack
Bell County, TX Je'vaeh Mayes, 2 Fatal pit bull attack
January 2014
McLean County, IL Kara Hartrich, 4 Fatal pit bull attack
Comal County, TX Betty Clark, 75 Fatal pit bull attack
Harris County, TX Christina Bell, 43 Fatal pit bull attack
I would now like to live to Aurora. Just having the ban makes it seem like a more attractive place to live. Please keep the ban. It shows that the people of Aurora and sensible enough to protect themselves. People can always own another, safer breed of dog.
Responsible pet owners, and innocent animals, should not be penalized for the “illusion of safety”. How many gun owners, ex-cons, child molesters, drug users/dealers, and sex offenders live in the same areas that do not allow decent Americans who own a particular dog? Please begin applying common sense and hold people accountable rather than enforcing some incredibly useless law such as this.
Good for you Aurora! This is one small step toward a safer, happier community. These breeds of dogs were never meant to be pets. They are banned in many countries across the world, and we are making progress now as a country toward banning them as pets here in the US. Way to go!
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